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    M17x Crossfire in 7

    Discussion in 'Alienware' started by zennik, Oct 21, 2009.

  1. ShinJ

    ShinJ Notebook Evangelist

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    the 4870s in M17x is just 4850s with +50mhz core clock then?
     
  2. cookinwitdiesel

    cookinwitdiesel Retired Bencher

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  3. -=$tR|k3r=-

    -=$tR|k3r=- Notebook Virtuoso

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    ME TOO! :D

    DITTO!

    :D :D :D
     
  4. zennik

    zennik Notebook Enthusiast

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    I'll check that right now, looking for the temp under idle/full load? 3dmark? particular game, what?
     
  5. Alexrose1uk

    Alexrose1uk Music, Media, Game

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    50 on the core and 88 on the memory
     
  6. Johnksss

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    think that's more of some speculation than actual proven fact. (guessing here)
     
  7. ShinJ

    ShinJ Notebook Evangelist

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    Guess the 4870s are the same as Asus W90's. Any opinions on why gddr5 is still not implemented in laptop chip?
     
  8. -=$tR|k3r=-

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    No, not the same..... these cards have twice the GDDR mem.

    :)
     
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    i kind of wonder if that's what was the plan all along....fix the gddr3 and add more memory....
     
  10. ShinJ

    ShinJ Notebook Evangelist

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    Probably the gddr5 memory will generate so much heat that even m17x could not handle. So the only thing they can do is to add twice the amount of memory :)
     
  11. Alexrose1uk

    Alexrose1uk Music, Media, Game

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    Last I checked GDDR5 actually runs cooler :)

    The major issue here could be (and I dont believe ATI pulled the switch here as they're typically not the parts ODM for Dell) supply; GDDR5 is quite hard to get hold of right now, Qimonda was the only company producing it a few months back, before they went down. Elpida brought them out, but Im not sure how far back along the product lines they are again.

    With the launch of the 5 series, and a small set of Nvidia cards using the stuff now, there was bound to be some stock shortages; so they were bound to prioritise parts and shipments in this situation; especially if there was massive and tight demand, unfortunately it seems that Dell didnt particularly care. When the cards were produced, it seems that all they could get hold of was GDDR3, and weren't willing to wait for GDDR5 availability. Given Dell has signed a massive agreement for 5 series parts in the near future; its also possible they decided to request stocks withheld for production of the desktop line cards, as thats where a much larger, and more lucrative sales segment lies.
    The fact the various Dell sites kept varying between GDDR3/5 kinda shows they weren't 100% sure they had GDDR5, but they wanted to market as such to gain the higher possible sales figures. (or that's my theory going on my experience with Dell, and a bit of logical thinking)
     
  12. -=$tR|k3r=-

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    Hmmmmm, my thought is supply and cost may have been a bigger factor in Dell's business choice. Profit is the object, and no doubt, Dell is making their money on these GDDR3 cards.

    Like the W90, the M17x thermal design is outstanding.

    :)
     
  13. dondadah88

    dondadah88 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    yeah it is but i heard the w90 has better cooling.
     
  14. -=$tR|k3r=-

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    Yes, the thermal solution of the W90, is certainly one of the best, if not THE BEST, I've experienced in a notebook.

    :)
     
  15. dondadah88

    dondadah88 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    for my i would say it would be the m17x. my sager np9262 was really good but the gpu got much hotter then my m17x(9800m gtx) but that could also be the 65mm core.

    the cpu i can't really say because of the fact that it had a desktop cpu in there(e8600@3,33ghz) and it didn't go past 68 max on hot weather in gaming for hours. i don't remember idle. i would have to research it.
     
  16. Quadzilla

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    The W90 had a monster CPU cooling solution .. Huge Copper block and the Qx9300 barely breaks a sweat with it .. Totally different then the M17x solution although its very good as well.. GPUs ran hotter though in the W90 but thats more of an ATI thing then the cooling because they were also covered in nice large copper plates.. W90 was the best when it came to how quiet it was even under full load...
     
  17. zennik

    zennik Notebook Enthusiast

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    Any other sources for QX9300 CPUs? I was going to buy my friends, but he decided to keep it. Always a little hesitant on buying CPUs on ebay from China...
     
  18. dondadah88

    dondadah88 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    i still haven't gotten the fans to ramp up yet. i have played prototype for about 3 hours today and nothing. :(
     
  19. Quadzilla

    Quadzilla The eye is watching you

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    In the Sidetopics section of this forum there is a link to order an OEM from HP.. i would do that for sure.. $500 and change for an OEM is a no brainer..

    The ES CPUs on fleabay are still going for that much i believe...
     
  20. Alexrose1uk

    Alexrose1uk Music, Media, Game

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    Just do a bit of research on sellers. Took about a week to reach me in the UK, but I used Shirley when I bought my X9100 with no issues :)

    Last I checked he had some Q9200 QAVR if you fancied a pot luck and seeing how well they overclock (M17x has overclocking doesnt it?), they're much much cheaper at £180 ($300), and even stock they're 2.4Ghz, 12mb cache, same penryn architecture so they'll be faster clock for clock than the desktop workhorse Q6600, oh and as they're QS they're unlocked multi :)
    I really ought to try sleeping soon...3am here...too much coffee :(
     
  21. Quadzilla

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    Once you get a Qx9300 it will and prototype might not get them to ramp up enough compared to Bionic Commando which is the loudest ive ever heard it lol.. Cant remember what other games i played that made the fans go full boar..
     
  22. dondadah88

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    i'll try that game. i haven installed to much stuff on it since i'm playing with drivers....
     
  23. Quadzilla

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    I didnt have much luck with the Q9200 when i had one in the M17x.. Nothing beyond stock clocks worked or it bluescreened...

    As for M17x overclocking it has the best out there .. full multiplier overclocking and FSB , RAM overclocking as well .. Lots of ways to tinker thats for sure :)...
     
  24. Alexrose1uk

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    Didnt you have a QAVS, and the QAVR were meant to be better clockers, later chip revision and all that?

    Half tempted to get one myself to try out in comparison with my X9100 on my Kobalt machine, I mean I should be able to sell either one off again for £150, which means only £30 to try, especially if it DOES clock via setfsb (no bios clocking on the M980nu atm IIRC), and its pretty close to those QX9300s anyway.

    Dangerous dangerous thinking.... (well at least for my finance, and eating this month)
     
  25. dondadah88

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    yeah. i'm playing with the ram speed right now to see if it affects overclocking.
     
  26. Quadzilla

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    Cant even remember if it was QAVS or QAVR its been so long now.. the S sounds more like it since i got the last revision.. S comes after R etc..
     
  27. cookinwitdiesel

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  28. capitainealbator

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    @ Zennik: temps under 3dmark would be a good idea. Also temp in idle please?

    Thanks very much!


     
  29. pismolives

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    Hey guys, quick question/beg for help?

    I just received my m17x today, has two ATI's. Loaded a fresh copy of 7 on, used the drivers that BatBoy had links for, device manager is all good.

    Now, with both the ATI drivers modded, or the original dell one's. When I enable crossfire, and start any game, it gives me huge artifacts, and a corrupted image.

    Turning off crossfire, makes the games work properly, although their only using one card.

    Any suggestions?
     
  30. Alexrose1uk

    Alexrose1uk Music, Media, Game

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    Speak to Dell, if its with various drivers, and fine with only one card, it sounds like there might be an issue with your slave card.
     
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