M17x Refresh Discussion

will they be offering the 5870 in x-fire ?

I still wonder though how much the 128 Bit buss will bottleneck???

 

We can only hope they are true. I can see this being released on a Monday and I'm still hoping for a name change.

 

I really hope its a monday , ill probably wait 2 weeks for the core i7 before I just go for the q9300.

Is the dell US website updated before the UK one?

 

is the i7 better than q9300 for gaming???

 

From what I've heard, its 85% faster.

 

I'm hoping it's a significant improvement that can still be overclocked. Once I send this M17X back to dell, and get the other, I'll be selling my QX9300

 

That's not true. You may get a few extra fps, maybe.

Edit: unless you are an rts gamer. Then it could show real dividends but 85% is entirely unrealistic for gaming.

 

Actually Qx9300 is par with 820QM.

 

Not 85% faster for gaming. Just 85% faster for calculations etc. That's what was advertised somewhere.

I wonder what the price increase will be for a fully spec'd refreshed m17x.

There's going to be a monitor update. How could they improve the monitor if its 1920X1200 already?

 

Using an LED one and not this auto-dimming thing. Unfortunately (from my point of view at least) rumors are that the new M17x will house a 1920x1080 resolution.

 

Oh ok sounds good, but will it still be 1200p?

 

no 1200p would be 1900 by 1200. 1080p is 1900 by 1080. The television adverts are really to blame for this new "1080p" phenom. Personally, 1080p is better because it is still high def in every sense of the word and you will be pushing less pixels; maximizing a few more FPS on games that you would begin to struggle with. 5870 CF would potentially be a good system for the next few years as consoles are a ways off and new games are all pretty much using console first, PC second ideology (sad but true). So I don't really see too many games that would give 1900 by 1080p too much trouble with high settings with 5870 CF.

 

So if AMD are releasing 5870 CF with the refreshed M17X, what will Nvidias come back be?

Also, will M17X graphics out class the PS3 or Xbox after this refresh?

 

285M? 290M? Around that i assume. Maybe something higher. But i doubt it will beat the 5870. Well it could but very doubtful.

 

Wow, Nvidia are going downhill for mobile gaming then.

So there's going to be a, core i7 processor, a 1080p LED monitor, 5870 CF. Anything else to look forward to?

 

Yes 120Hz 1080p panels for laptops.

3D gaming rules and will be the next big thing.

Not sure when they be available though.

 

3d gaming is a gimmick. The glasses cause a loss of detail and are an annoyance. Stereo 3D could be cool.

 

Sorry bud but 3D gaming is not a gimmick.

I spent a few hours with the nVidia guys at CES and the new 1080p 120Hz desktop screens (Alienware and Acer) running with active shutter glasses is nothing short of spectacular. No loss of detail as you get a full 1080p 60Hz per eye. Loss of brightness is minimal and if anything improves contrast ratios. Combined with nVidias new 3D Vision Surround and you have an incredibly immersive 3D experience.

Now all we need are these 1080p 3D panels to be shrunk to laptop sizes as the current 1366 screens are a bit crappy. Once they are every gaming laptop will have one, mark my words.

 

3D gaming isn't a gimmick....it's a class action lawsuit waiting to happen.

Nvidia made me blind and they must pay!

 

I would actually prefer the 16:9 ratio, its wider rather than taller.

Not to mention it's basically a standard, more support/compatibility. Same reason why I got the iPhone and not the Droid, more support (apps/docks/peripherals/third party..anything).

 

Failure. That is all Nvidia has left. If Tegra does not take-off they are done.

 

You'll be eating those words when desktop and mobile fermi hit.

 

I hope the 5870's going to be awsome, as this will be the first time ill be using an AMD video card! I've always gone with nvidia before.

 

And when will that be?

 

Desktop fermi should be paper launched around mid march or april with quantities before June. Mobile fermi will probably come shortly after. ATi's fame with the 5800 series will come to an abrupt end in a few short months, you can quote me on that.

 

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With the heating issues of the desktop fermi, I doubt the mobile one will be landing anytime this year (unless it's cut&slashed way worse than mobile 5870 ).
But I'd love to see it coming as there's no ATI for me any time soon... Not unless they come up with decent linux drivers.

 

By June ATI will be half way to Hecatoncheires for the desktop market.

 

You like that word very much Phinagle. It's time to buy a T-shirt with it
But yes, the refresh is gonna be soon. It all depends however, how powerful fermi will be to begin with. And as I understand, fermi is not just a new card, it's a new direction of architectures, merging the CPUs and GPUs at some point into a single mosaic of processing power.

 

Which CPU would Nvidia be merging with?

AMD has Fusion APU in 2011. Intel has their IGP and maybe in a couple of years Larrabee. Nvidia has what...Tegra?

Unless the FTC comes through and Nvidia can start making their own x86 CPU Fermi isn't merging with anything. The supercomputing Fermi may have all those neat GPGPU features that will run along side a CPU but the desktop gaming Fermi will likely have most of those features turned off.


As for ATI's next-gen GPU name as soon as they start calling it something else I'll gladly give up having to spell check Hecatoncheires.

 

Come on M17x refresh geez! Lol, I'm spending all my M17x money on crap stuff I don't need....

 

It will be here soon..patience...ok who am I kidding, I can't wait!

 

Lol me neither. It will get here when it gets here.

 

Same. Ten minutes ago I almost bit the bullet and ordered one. But after looking at the options sense came in. Our already lesser options here in the EU was cut even more last week!

 

Tech support have been authorised to replace my system with a new one!

I really would like to be able to wait until the system has been refreshed, hope its days or a week or 2 at most.

rather have no system for awhile than one that still has issues with latency stuttering etc not sure all has bee resoilved with ao3 bios?

 

Apparently its meant to be released on the 18th of this month but thats just a rumor floating around the forum. From some people updating there Bios they got some relief of the Latency. There is a thread on it.

 

Its going to be intresting as i have blueray and thats vital for me as i work in video edditing and use my system to be mobile.

also i have 260 sli thats no longer available either.

yes i have been monitoring the a03 threads, seems like some still have issues with nvidia gpu downclocking? would i have a case to ask for ati?

18th would be great fingers crossed

 

They might just replace your system as I'm sure they still have parts for those systems that are still under warranty. I'm not so sure they would replace it with a refreshed model

 

I have written confirmation from alienware that its a new system and not refurbished

 

As are mine; i assume the Nivida "downclocking" is something related only to Nivida. So i assume the ATI's wouldnt be affected at all.

 

The 18th is a US holiday. It may be the 19th.

 

I hope the refresh doesn't increase the base price by too much.
$2099 or even $1999 base price would be annoying ><

 

No but expect a $1200 price tag on the extreme cpu.

 

Mmm yeah...
What's the performance difference between the i7 820QM and 920XM? Worth that much extra money?

 

I doubt the base price would alter too much; maybe raise a few $100s

That was something i already expected. IF the Refresh gets to Australia the QX9300 is like $1800 so i can only Imagine that the I7 Extreme would be the same or even higher.

More or less depends on your preference.

 

It will be the same with same specs. They still have to keep systems for replacement of warrantied ones.

 

They confirmed at CES that the base price would increase by $100, to I think $1,799, if the price is $1,699 atm.

Hurry up Dell! I can't wait any longer!

 

Ahh, that's not bad then.

When I first saw your post, I thought it said $1,000 more and I was almost spewing

 

Haha, sorry I just woke up 10 minutes ago! I've corrected it though

I hope they don't wait until next next Monday to release the refresh because of that US holiday Mandrake mentioned.

 

Yeah I hope it's really soon too.

I've had so much different information from the techicians on Dell chat about when the refresh will come out that I have concluded that none of them actually know lol