M17x refresh buyers- why not wait for ATI 5870's??

You are going to see the most power hungry AW come summer time.

Not sure if I would want it, TBH. Mobile computing was on the right track and getting more efficient.

It seems the past year that components are getting more power hungry and hotter. lol

 

As soon as Nvidia and AMD create a flawless Hybrid switching and the political issues with Intel get resolved - you might wanna change your mind.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a dual CPU + SLI/CF monsters next year allowing 5-10hrs of battery life...Dreams.

 

why didn't alienware announce the 5870's at Cebit if it was going to be released in April? it would have brought more business.

 

Probably so people would keep ordering with the 4870's they have in stock (if they have any)? If they announced it wouldn't that drop sales?

 

Dell is not exactly in control here.
The cards were already present in Clevo and ASUS systems. So why didn't Clevo or ASUS make the CF config to boost their sales and beat AW?
There's more to it than our mere speculations.
I bet the 5870s were not even designed for CF capabilities back then
(Are they now? )

 

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What? Do you realize what you are even talking about? lol

 

Nope.
Do you?
And if it's more than a speculation, - care to enlighten the rest?

Have you seen a 5870 Cross FireX cable or heard anyone see it?
Call any of Clevo resellers and ask if they even heard of the CF config being readied.

I have seen this
But I never heard or seen the one with the cable.
If it's so easy to deploy and manage the heat, why didn't the mentioned companies show sample systems at Cebit? Shortages? Aha

 

5870 supports crossfire natively. The problem is supply, that's it.

 

I mean not the physical connector (you can clearly see it on the pic above).
Of course it's supported. But I don't buy the shortages stuff.
We could at least have a glimpse, a single system, a hint from Clevo to attract us to preorder. Nothing!

 

I have spoken with numerous sources (very reliable) and there is a shortage of GPU's.

That's it.

No conspiracy theories needed.

Asus is getting out of the ultra high-end CF/SLI stuff so that is why you haven't seen it from them.
The only new Clevo system to support dual cards is the X8100 and from what I have heard they are leaving it with the 285's and the single GPU systems will have the choice b/w green or red. Business decision

Believe me, Dell/AW is ready to rock and roll with the top-dog 5870 but their suppliers aren't

 

And yet there's a possibility to buy as many as 1000 5870s from the resellers right now!
I say there's something wrong with the CF config itself for these cards.
Be it a heat or some hardware licensing conflicts. Dunno.
But it's not the supply issue.

 

What are talking about re: the 1000 5870's?

 

Really? I find it hard to believe Clevo will throw the white flag and get pounded by AW's 5870 crossfire for that long....There has to be a 380m in the works at the very least.

 

Those 1000 5870m systems for sale (I'd like to see said 1000 btw) are probably from an old stockpiled inventory. There is a definite shortage of GPU and other components right now. It's the entire reason I chose to keep my R2with the 4870s rather than wait another 2 months for the 5870m supply to catch up.

 

And there is supposedly some nvidia stuff being released sooner than everyone thinks.

Not sure if it is going to be fermi high-end or just something to throw into the mix until mobile fermu comes out.

 

SS thinks it'll be a die shrunk GT200. I'm inclined to agree with him.

 

I phoned a few resellers couple of weeks ago (had a business idea to check out) and inquired about a mass order for our company. I was promised the 1000 cards delivered in 2 weeks. 2 resellers had them in stock. So unless the managers were lying to me (possible) there's not that a huge shortage.

 

Sager is the only importer of Clevo systems in the Us. http://www.sagernotebook.com/product_customed.php?pid=218647&action=customize

This says there is a backorder on the 5870's so Clevo is having supply issues.

Also, when I spoke with rjtech before the 5870 w870 was released they expected stock of bare cards by early to mid March. Now they have no clue due to the shortages,

 

Who were the resellers? Because right now the only ones that sell the cards individually that I know of are RJTech and Eurocomm. If it was the latter, I'm surprised they didn't tell you they had 100,000 in stock.

 

No offesnse, but I am not buying it. lol

Were you asking to purcahse bare mobility 5870's? If not, what systems were you going to purcahse?

 

Me too. You have to crawl before you can walk.

 

That might well be the reason for not going 5870s if something slightly more powerful and less hot is in the works.
I can buy it but not the shortages stuff.
That's all about politics! Shortages do not appear out of the blue.
In the big market there are too many sync. levels. It's like 2 helicopters crash in the blue sky. It's possible but very, very unlikely.

Sager is the only Clevo distributor (sorry) in North America.
Does ASUS by from Sager as well?
Are there no more deals made with AMD?

 

I could easily answer your question if you sign our non-disclosure forms as it involves touching our business strategies.

 

I doubt dieshrunk GT200 SLi cards are gonna be able to compete with the 5870x2, maybe be a bit below it's performance, mostly a stopgap until mobile fermi hits, in which NOBODY seems to have the first clue about whether it'll even come this year.

 

lol, no. Eurocom was out of our potential partners' list long ago.

That can't be said for sure. Maybe the Fermi itself is going make its way into the mobile sector this summer/autumn. If yes, I see no point in switching to 5870s now.
Again, none of us here has the 100% reliable info.
We might as well just switch the topic to the global wobble

 

Do you read posts? Or do you just comment out the side of you neck?

I said Sager was the only importer of Clevo systems in the US. Last I checked The Us is in North America. I don't know if you are in/from Canada but I was not including other countries in my discussion. (Might get a little complex if we start debating supply issues in China, etc)

Asus makes there own cards with the funky non-standard form factor. All Asus does is get the die's from ATi.

And, if you didn't notice, there were huge G73 shortages. It got to the point that people were throwing the one main selling point (price) besides GPU out the window and were paying $200 more for them from newegg.

 

I'm out of the wait for 5870s. I'm going to wait for the so called BIG surprise this summer.

 

I meant the "importer" not only the reseller, sorry. No need to jump on it, as I'm not trying to sell you some stuff. It's well known that all the resellers buy from Sager, don't jump on the words, plz.

 

Well, it should be interesting for sure.

From what I heard so far is that the power brick will resemble in size, weight, and power an actual PC power supply

Yikes!

 

Are you talking about a BIG surprise from Alienware or another brand, casue many reliable sources confirm that besides the 5870s AW won't be making any big changes/surprises this summer.

 

Pman who has a reliable source I believe posted in another thread "100%" sure dx11 Nvidia cards will be here in 4 months. So as usual ATI vs Nvidia remains a farce, both companies never seem to take approprate foresight to hold dominance over another for a long period of time in the high end market.

 

No physical redesign this summer, but there will be new stuff.

Summer 2011 is when we will see a new M17x.

 

Yep, there's no point in changing the design before the big change next year.
And summer 2013 (given we survive the 2012 )we may see the first holographic screens.

 

i'm talking about AW.

a new Model perhaps? if it's a 13", it's going to flop. I think AW will release a new M17 before they release a new M17x. If they do release an M17x next year, I wonder how AW is going to out design the current one.

 

I have a question regarding the power consumption and heat build up of the 5870 cards/RGB Led display?
Because I don't really need a CF config with the 5870card, wouldn't it be a wise desision just to go for one? And would this consume less power? (read less heat build up) I would miss an extra vent. Aswell for a LED display, it should be drawing less power (thus run cooler) but is this the case with the M17x compared to a CCFL screen? Or am I way off in this case?

(Sorry, if it's answered before Just poped up!)

 

Thanks will go with crossfire else there will be a gap in my M17x.
I'm so confident the 5870 will be presented in a short while now...

 

still have to wait how long time for the update 5870 xf or new model, anyone has some infos?

 

I was told when I ordered my M17x yesterday a best guess would be three months, that was from a "gamer" type rep in Texas.

 

Team Blackhawk is on Facebook...hint hint

 

If it's another three months they better have a 5970 mobile version out by then or something better than the 5870s... Alienware needs to get with the program and 1 up Clevo and ASUS and stop dragging their dainty little feet.

 

Those two brands don't have a 5870 Crossfire solution.

 

Will the new M17X come with USB 3 ?

Can someone give me a quick dummies guide as to what advantages USB 3 will have over USB 2 and what differences will the 5870`s have over the current 4870`s ?

I`m looking to buy now and obviously i don`t want to make a mistake, should i be waiting for the refresh version ?

 

As of today, I'd happily swap the crofffired 4870s with a single 5870 and wait till the CF is ready.

 

Basically USB 3.0 is roughly 10x times faster than USB 2.0 and the 5870's biggest advantage over the 4870 is that is handles Direct X 11.0 and has Eye Infinity.

 

Thats made my mind up then, i`ll wait for USB 3 and the 5870`s. Any idea roughly when these are due out on the new M17x ?

 

DX11 shader model is designed to multithread, thus it should work better on multicore systems. Should be more visible as a difference when we move forward.

DXcompute is likely to take over all other proprietary computing on GPU methods, as many things do when they are incorporated into DX.

USB 3 is 10x faster AND it does it in full duplex. USB 2.0 is not only slower but only runs in half duplex. Moreover a lot of applications like running graphics through USB, or docking systems will work tremendously better on USB 3 because of the added bandwidth. Additionally the 10x speed comes at a lower CPU overhead, so there is less tax on your system running it. And it doubles the power output over USB, so notebook cooling systems can run slightly more powerful fans, or external hardrives can run without secondary power cables and so forth. USB 3 is a pretty important set of steps forward.

You neglected to mention the 5870's BIG advantage. It's here and in our hands. We may not yet have it in CF in the M17X, but it is here, and CF is likely not far off.

 

I'm sensing the change...it's coming.
5870X2, WUXGA WVA anti-glare LED DreamColor IPS screen and USB 3.0.
Yummy....

 

I wrote team blackhawk about it and I got an e-mail back from them. They consulted with the hardware team and said there is no firm date for release of the card anytime soon. He did say that eventually the 5870 will make it to the M17x but as of now they do not have anything concrete.

 

As long as I can upgrade my cards eventually I'm happy, couldn't play the waiting game any longer.

 

And the price.....



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