Mobility 4870 GDDR5 Spotted in the M17x?

Yeah that definitely has me worried. I remember you saying you had poor scaling when you put the 3870s in your m9750.

 

Phin is being pessimistic about GT300 and RV870 so he can think the wait for GDDR5 4870 was worth it...

Seriously, you can expect the tech specs of those laptops (as well as having clarksfield) in your paws by january 2010. Go ahead and sig it, and kiss my feet later

 

If you're waiting for DX11 mobile GPUs, it's going to be a while. If anything, you'll probably see an ATi DX11 mobile part announced first seeing that the size of the RV870 die is actually smaller than the RV770/M98 die while the GT300's die size is not much different from the 55nm version of the GT200b, in addition to the RV870 being 256 bit compared to the 512 bit interface of the GT300. nVidia will probably take half of a GT300 and work it into mobile form, or derive it from a different desktop platform.

Yeah, but that was only in 3dmark06. I also had a very weak CPU in the T5500 running things. If we could get info on how a HP Blackbird with ATi cards run, maybe we can get a better sense on how nVidia chipsets deals with crossfire.

 

Specs don't mean you'll be able to buy the card for your laptop.

Fudzilla seems to agree with my estimate.

 

as in new parts, new gpu's... he said ati version of the m17x and whole different chipsets and stuff... my predictions are the only thing that will change is bios, drivers, and gpu's...

 

he didn't say anything would change, he was compareing how each chipset scaled

 

It'll use the same Nvidia MCP79 chipset with the 9400M.

 

and how Phinagle?... how can you use crossfire with the Nvidia MCP79? you wold need a PLX chip (ore similar) to make it to work... and you wold need to disable the hybrid sli... it wold not be a easy job...

BTW: it makes sense dow, as Alienware case to remake the motherboard and laptop-housing for it to fill the new mobo, maybe thats way the dident lunch it as the same time as the 280m sli version of the m17x....

BTW2: will it be(the ati edition) the red edition of the m17x?

 

The PCI controllers are already built into the MCP79 chipset and only the switchable graphics (HybridPower) part of HybridSLI is supposed to be supported by the M17x no matter which brand cards you use. (though GeForceBoost does seem to be interfering with the dedicated nvidia cards right now).

ichime confirmed that nvidia chipsets will support ATI cards when he swapped the two 3870s from his Whitebook to the AW m9750 and Chaz has confirmed for us that the ATI version of the M17x will use the same chipset but will require a reboot to switch between dedicated and integrated graphics (9400M).

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=387171&page=3


sleey0 also posted a clip from the M17x service manual that shows how HybridPower works with ATI cards.


I said the same thing about the ATI version of the M17x using a different chipset when we first heard the news but all evidence provided says it will only be the GPUs that are different so I got to believe that.

 

Not to mention that Chaz had a nice conversation with his higher-ups at AW on how the ATI/nvidia setup will work

 

so does anyone know IF this notebook might support the ATi 5800(DX11)

 

lol, we don't know. DX11 isn't even out yet, let alone a desktop card that supports it.

 

Whats so important about DX11 cards?

I know that DX10 wasn't backward compatible, is it the same case as 11?

 

See ? mobile cards as well

 

ichime is right. There's a slew of stars that have to align before you can say whether or not the M17x will support 5800 series or 300 cards and there's no possible way to answer your question.

Anyone that tells you yes or no is just guessing.

 

yea , all of it hinges on wether it will be MXM 3.0b

after that it should be all software fixes

 

Not sure why everyone wants the ATI cards? The prelim bench I've seen show better results in most games with the SLI 280M.

 

Unlike the mobile 280's, the 4870's are based off the desktop chip. CF 4870's w/GDDR5 would SMOKE the SLI 280's.

You haven't seen a mobile 4870 benchmark because there aren't any available with GDDR5 ATM.

 

Hum, I still find this strange because I doubt that Nvidia will let ATI have much of a lead.

 

It's not about "letting"...in this kind of competition you don't get beat because you let the other team win you get beat because you did what you could but the other team was just better than you.

 

Ok, I agree but I don't forsee Nvidia being behind too long. I don't hate ATI but in terms of drivers for apps and games Nvidia is always more reactive when something is wrong.

 

Well even with the DDR3 version, it's pretty much trading blows with the GTX 280M in SLi...same with the single card configurations.

 

Yep I agree

 

Ok, so lets get everything straight, all in one post:

1)It IS confirmed the M17x(not M17) will be getting 4870s.
2)It IS confirmed the 4870s will be GDDR 5(NOT GDDR3)
3)It IS confirmed it will be availible in a couple months.
4)It IS confirmed there is going the be a red version of the M17x.

 

1) Yes. What's also been shown is a single 1Gb 4850.
2) No
3) Rumor was a month or two from June 2nd.
4) Nope not at all. That's just wishful thinking by some people. Talk was there are no plans to ever release the red.

 

thanks for the reply.

 

I think it is better to wait for the GTX295M rather than the 4870.

 

Did you hear of the red chassis being scrapped by a reliable source? Don't crush my dreams ;(

 

there will be a 3xx series

not a 295 to my a knowledge

 

There's no evidence to suggest that a GTX 295M will ever be released.

 

It was said by sneakyFspy who claims to be a former AW employee.

 

i heard it to and from couple others

 

...or possibly a GTX 285M which could be either an upped version of the GTX 280, or a 40nm version of roughly half of a desktop GTX 285, but with GDDR5 memory...who knows (I know nVidia fans would be happy if they do this).

 

I think it is evident they will come out with such a version. They just came out recently with the GTX260M based on the 40nm process. They will have to upgrade their high end card soon.

 

incorrect
the 40nm series was only for main stream and semi high end users
THE GTS 260m is equal to a 9800m gt or 8800m gtx not a 260m GTX

not to be offensive but DUHHHHHHH
every body has to and we have been talking about the GT200 core ...AKA the 3xx series

 

The GTS 260M should be slower than the GTX 260M, yes. But by how much? Probably 10% slower at low res, and 20% at high res (WUXGA). The 128 bit bus will hurt at higher res, but the added bandwith from GDDR5 mostly makes up for it.

The GTS 260M will push higher clocks, has much more appealing laptop characteristics (size, thermals, power consumption), and has DX 10.1. I'd take it any day of the week over the GTX 260M.

 

Yea. I was just refering it was not to replace the GTX or based on the 260

I wouldn't mind testing one
If i could only find one , It probably won't work with out BIOS support due to the different cores used

 

really you would. i like the dx10.1 option but i won't go for a 128bit bus got gddr5. even if the memory speeds is 1800

 

Were still miles away from even using DX10 in games since most games should be written from scratch for DX10 and when they are they just dont sell well enough to justify the risk vs reward.

The bulk of games today are now console ports as well which means they will be written in some form of DX9 and ported over to the PC and the PC usually gets the bad end of the stick because of it .

Console games get all the download content we dont and get alot more support overall then we do sadly . Hopefully and people wont like to hear this but Games for windows live can change alot of this because developers will have a place where they can finally start selling the DL content to us(see fallout 3 for example) and hopefully things will start to shift back in the direction of the PC.

As it stands now we are basically in the back of the bus for so many games because of these issues and i pray they change because we spend SOOo much more to keep up on the hardware end but dont get rewarded on the games end.

 

true but i dont like the download content on my xbox 360. playing 10 more dollars that should of been in the game from the start???? maybe i'm being to cheap

 

well they do have to get the game out first
if we waited till every time they put a new story out we would never get it ....kinda like computers....Besides it's cheaper then a new game

 

Lol i dont want to pay for download content at all as i come from the PC originally where all extras were free but sadly my friend those days are Long gone. If we want extra content we are going to have pay for it but i would like atleast the option on my PC to get that same content as the consoles do .

 

well you used to could find it lots of places but i understand what your saying .... Its designed ON a computer so .... it doesn't have a manufacturing cost because their is no shipping or CD's just make a server

 

Then why did they make this vid ? look @ 0:39-0:40

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It looks that they had the thought, but until now they've only released the black and silver ones, and i think they're holding onto the red chassis until they can release the ATi cards with it, red chassis with the red cards

 

we will have to wait and see then. i hope weget a discount at least like we do games.

 

well if they do release it. then i'll be happy but you shouldn't get your hopes up. alot of people did(to much did) for the arima w840di. they themselves also said it will be released on dec 08 and we are in july 09. and i still don't see nothing. just a warning.

 

whooper alot of us are waiting for an answer...nothing beyond a rumor based on that one video showing a red chassis. IMO corporations especially ones as HUGE as DELL make very long-term calculated shrewd business moves. I believe they would never release a world premier sneak peak at the M17x featuring a red chassis unless they're actually planning on releasing one.

 

I'm not getting my hopes up for anything, It just seems to make more sens this way...
and can't we just kidnap an Alienware staff and threaten him until he speaks XD
I'm just tired of waiting, if they're trying something, they should let us know
Sharing is Caring

 

LOL, that's not exactly what I meant. I believe that by the end of the year we will have a powerful replacement of the 280M GTX, but probably not based on the GT200 core which will come sometime next year. So what I meant is we will have a choice in the next 4 months in between the 4870 from ATI and probably a 295M GTX.

 

what?

the G92 core is what the 280 is based on the next core to be used is the gt200

which is what the GTS is based on.....They could of easily made a more powerful card right now but they are trying to sell as many 280's as they can