Mobility 4870 GDDR5 Spotted in the M17x?

Sorry but nvidia isn't going to release a GTX295 or any other card this year.

You just need to see the time between 8800mgtx-9800mgtx-gtx280m and compare

 

you can't even compare them because they never even made a new chip for those

....they really just spaced those out for maximum selling

 

I would definitely do the same and take a GTS 260M over a GTX 260M...and I'd also take a 4860 over a 4870 for those exact same reasons.

 

That video was made before the official release of the M17x but it doesn't really mean anything. There are pictures of the red M17x in the user manual too...but as people pointed out there were also pics of the old m17x in silver in that notebooks user manual as well.

 

By that logic you can say ATI will release a 256 bit version of their 40-nm chip with GDDR5 and call it the Mobility 4890...but there's nothing solid to base that on. That's the same kind of thinking that got the M17 owner's heart broken. At least with the ATI cards in the M17x we have it in writing, screenshots, and reliable sources providing a time frame.


If I was being overly pessimistic about GT 300 series mobile cards not being up for sale until late spring early summer next year than you're being overly optimistic to think in 4 months you'll have a GTX 295M that you can purchase. You'll be lucky if you can buy a notebook with the new 40-nm GPUs Nvidia has already announced by the end of the year...any new cards announced between now and then will take even longer to be go for sale.

That estimated time frame doesn't even take into account the possibility that TSMC will have the same problems manufacturing Nvidia's 40-nm GPUs as they do manufacturing ATI's.

 

is this real ore only a noob photoshop work (and that is what i believe)

BTW: I have a family person how work in quimonda germany and he guaranteed me that quimonda has already worked in chips for a a mobile card, low voltage and reduced speed Gddr5 he told me, but he did not told me in what Vga the worked on... not even if it was a ATI or an Nvidia...

 

That particular shot may be photoshopped to show the zoom in colse-up of the VRAM but it's true that Qimonda was used on the original ATI Mobility 4000 series reference cards.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/21/next-generation-ati-radeon-cards-to-pack-gddr5-memory/


You were able to see the Qimonda VRAM modules in the screenshots shown on newsites when the Mobility 4000 cards first came out but that card in your post is a 40-nm die (probably the Mobility 4860) and the original photo is taken from the gallery at AMD/ATI's website.

http://game.amd.com/us-en/unlock_4800mob.aspx?p=2

 

thanks for the info and do try to beat it out of him

yea the 4860 was saposed to be a low voltage card so that would probably be it

 

In case anyone doubts IDGV1G-05A1F1C-50X is 1Gb modules of GDDR5.

http://www.qimonda.com/graphics-ram/gddr5/index.html


So yeah that's definitely the Mobility HD4860 reference card.

 

least we know they are in production

i really wouldn't mind a 15 inch with that card ... just look @ the features

 

I don't know if we'll end up seeing Mobility 4830 or 4860 cards at all because of the bad production yields on the RV740 GPU. All the good ones will probably go into making the desktop HD 4770 instead.


Going to be interesting to see if TSMC screws up Nvidia's 40-nm GPUs as well.

 

How about CF those using a single PCB design for the new M15x???

 

ahaha... Now sli 4860 in a slimmer 17" chassis, a la M9750, that would be hot (the cool hot).

 

would be tough the BIOS wouldn't recognize them and they would have to be MXM 2.1

 

I wasn't speaking of that chassis in particular, just something with similar dimensions. Under 9 pounds, less than 2" thick, preferably tapered. Hell, you could do CF 4860 in a redesigned D900f.

 

I am thinking Asus or MSI will have a 14 inch gaming machine with these

 

A single PCB CF/SLI set up would still be too big physically for a 15" laptop even with a 40-nm die. Maybe in the future we'll see the next-gen 40-nm in a 16.4" laptop.

It's a shame they're having problems with these cards though. I always thought a single Mob. 4830 would make a great card for Dell to use in a Studio XPS 18 model.

 

Not if they were to get rid of the internal optical drive

They could just throw in a slim external drive standard.

I'd be all over it in a heartbeat of they could pull it off....

 

I'm not ready to get rid of my ODD yet so if I had to lug along an external drive too I'd consider a 17" chassis with an internal drive as being more portable.

 

I'd take the sacrifice in a second... But I guess we all have our own ideas of what is worth giving up for perfomance

I still think it would be a great option. You could let users configure it how they wanted.

You could still offer a system with the internal optical drive but it would just max out with a single card.

Or you could have others (like me) that would much rather have GPU power than a measly optical drive (which I hardly use anyway unless a game disc is sitting in there. lol).

 

There are the sample models in Asia. They look like the M17x but they are not exactly like them (lights are working weird on all of them). It's like a fake microwave in Ikea.

So I don't think it is related to the coming HD 4870 DDR5 (they are not DDR 5).

 

On the ATI mobility 4850/4870 site it says GDDR5 or GDDR3 depending on model, so I assume there are mobility GDDR5 4870s made somewhere but no notebook company has released them yet:
http://ati.amd.com/products/mobilityradeonhd4800/specs.html

I hope 4850s just a cheaper downgrade from the 4870s like how the 260Ms are cheaper downgrades of the 280Ms.I want 4870s, not 4850s.

 

4870/4850 difference is much bigger than GTX280m/GTX260m

 

well the only 4870 out is a 4850

 

If and when the 4870 w DDR5 actually shows up, then we'll know what the difference really is.

 

GDDR5 will make more difference than 16 shaders, no doubt

 

depending on the clock speeds.

 

Im getting a little bit confused right now, about the possibility of upgrading GPU's, because of this article. It says explicitly "U cant upgrade your GPU!"

I choose the M17x today, so I can upgrade, unlike my current laptop which is running to an end of my ownership because of this... So what's the story? (Sorry for noob question)

 

The majority of laptops made are non upgradeable , this just happens to be one that you can , simple as that .

 

Well a 4850 is just a Downclocked 4870.The only difference between the 4850 and 4870 is clocks and memory type.So you are saying just because W90 has GDDR 3 memory its automaticly a 4850?Ha!Both use the same chip, and other than clocks have the exact same specs so in the end, it doesnt really matter as they are exact same card.

Gosh, I'm start to get sick of typing 48xx.

 

yes quad is correct. about 90-95% of laptops can't upgrade the gpu. of course there is a few of can. some of them when purchased, is already maxed out.(asus w90 and the arima w840di) so it's better of saying that. if you are a computer techy. then you'll know what's what.


@panzer
you mean the 4870 is a downclocked 4850

 

You can upgrade an M17x video cards if you can find the cards to upgrade to.

It's not like desktops where you can go to BestBuy or Newegg and buy a new card when they come out.

 

Many tried to argue that point back in the day with the W90 including myself since i owned one , basically it boils down to the fact that a 4870 is a 4870 because of DDR5 , then i showed everyone that they actually made a 4850 with DDR5 (very limited run but it did infact exist) so im not sure what that should have been called lol.

 

Thanks for setting that straight. I was getting worried about my purchase there for a second..

 

the 4855 i guess.

 

Heh. I was the first to try and coin the phrase 4850+ to describe the W90's GPU but it upset the owners and didn't catch on. :wink:

 

exactly, the Alienware we saw shows a single 1GB GDDR5 4850.Does that make it a 4870?No.Its all about clocks.Obviously ATI made GDDR3 and GDDR5 versions for both cards.So the same show go vice versa.Just because a 4870 has GDDR3 does that make a 4850?No, its all about clocks.

 

The M17x we saw shows a single 1GB 4850. What RAM the card uses is based on speculation on what GD5 stands for on the sticker.

Vicious came up with a BIOS that breaks the limit on the OC potential of the ATI cards so the clocks are not a good way to differentiate the 4850 from the 4870. Both can be made to run at the same speed.


ASUS built the card in the W90 not ATI. ATI reference cards used GDDR5 for the Mobility 4870 just like the desktop version but the language used on the ATI website is unclear as to which Mobility 4800 series card uses which type of RAM so people interpret it differently and think that it's fine to use GDDR3 for a 4870 card.

 

All laptop cards just need there own friggin names period !! Problem is people wouldnt know what the heck there getting if they didnt have some sort of guideline to follow IE 280mGTX(which we know it aint) or 4870(which it was or wasnt whatever) . I have mad respect for ATI actually putting there latest tech into the mobile platforms but sadly it wasnt all that impressive or i should say any better then Nvidia's current offerings even if they are Totally outdated by most peoples standards(including my own somewhat).

 

I am almost positive that ATI has designated the 4870 by the exclusive use of GDDR5.

If it doesn't have it then it isn't a 4870.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong. The pic attached says depending on model but this spec sheet is for both the 4850/4870....

 

Yeah but when a company makes a 4850 with DDR5 why not just call it a 4870 then lol , this stuff gets so confusing and quite frankly its just stupid how many arguments have been made over this very thing. It needs to just die along with 3dmark 06 .

 

ATI doesn't make cards... They supply GPU's (die).

They make reference designs for manufacturers to follow, but they are not obligated to use them.

Whomever is supplying these cards needs to just wise the heck up In the case of Asus, I'll bet my entire savings that Asus was the ones to name it a 4870 to boost sales.

 

i agree ATI always wanted ddr5 and there own chip...Asus screwed it all up and ended up screwing up the cards

 

^^^LOL

I guess nvidia isn't the only company using some misleading advertising! lol

Asus wanted some of the attention too....

 

Yeah i know they dont make the cards but there should be certain guidelines to follow regardless so as to not confuse the consumer.

As for Asus using the name for marketing/Sales, if i owned the company i would have done the same thing lol its all about the $$ .

They made things even more confusing though as they actually named it 4870x2 when it was infact just 2 separate cards and x2 was designated for something entirely different, BLAH i give up its a total mess.

 

As a consumer I'm fine with getting a 4850 with GDDR5 since it's to my benefit.

A 4870 with GDDR3 on the other hand means someone is trying to pull one over on me.

 

no no no ATI isn't misleading it actually was supposed to be a 4870 Asus screwed it up

I prefer ATI any day ....

 

lol nice one Phin

 

If Dell released the 4800's as a 4850 w/GDDR5 I'd buy it in a heartbeat!

We are not your avg consumers though so we know better

 

Putting DDR3 on a card and calling it a 4870 is one thing .

Calling a overclocked 9800mGTX a 280mGTX is something entirely different and to me what Nvidia has done is far worse then even what Asus did.

But im still buying them so oh well .