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    Mr. Fox's GeForce 344.75 Desktop Driver Mod for 780M, 880M and 980M Mobile GPUs

    Discussion in 'Alienware' started by Mr. Fox, Dec 19, 2014.

  1. deadsmiley

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    Yeah, that is spastic. My card is actually running cooler with this old driver. ?
     
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    Why are the voltages different at stock? I don't get it. Those freezes are something I experience when my internet is screwed, but it doesn't happen on normal gaming...

    Hey Mr. Fox, try something: use windows timer resolution to force the resolution to 1ms? You can't use throttlestop you said, but it helps with random microstutter on win 8. Let me know if that full on kills the issues for you. I would tell you to use throttlestop for it as you already know, but that throttles your cards, right?
     
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    I upgraded my AW18 with two 980ms but i cant say that i have such Throttling issues like Mr.Fox. Only Problem i have is that my 980ms sometimes downclock from 1.02V = 1260.9MHz to ~0.970V = ~ 980Mhz at Full Load. Anyone experienced the same?
     
  4. TBoneSan

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    Brother Fox , that is some nasty throttling. I experienced that when I first installed them and also when I fiddled alot with TS settings on. But, still not to that degree since I first installed them. If I was every getting goofy behavior I'd just re-install drivers and thinks would be ok.
    So far I've only done that 3 times - mainly because I really want more omph from my CPU since it's being muzzled in Windows 8.

    However, I have not experimented as much as you yet. So who knows what may lie ahead. I can overclock without getting throttling but I am still on the stock vbios so just the token +135

    I did a quick 3d Mark 11 video. Unfortunately it didn't record all test, so you'll need to take my word that it was behaved consistently like that throughout the whole benchmark.



    Below is a Dead Rising 3 video. Clocks are ultra stable.

     
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  5. Mr. Fox

    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist®

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    I was getting more consistent results with the stock vBIOS on SLI. It was pretty solid. With the modded vBIOS I can overclock the guts out of one GPU, but as you can see... SLI behavior sucks.

    It would be awesome if it didn't throttle. Below is a Vantage run with no GPU overclock and just a couple of random throttle events that didn't hurt too much. Stayed solid at 1127/1253 through Jane Nash and New Calico almost the whole time.

    Compare that with my best 780M SLI score and it's an amazing product when it works right. I may go back to using the stock vBIOS until I can get my Clevo because it is really inconsistent. Reinstalling drivers doesn't always help with this vBIOS mod because it seems to be fighting some kind of TDP limiter that induces the throttling when both GPUs are under load. Using a different driver version each time I reinstall with the modded vBIOS seems to help "confuse" whatever kind of power monitoring filth is interfering with things.

    Vantage: M18xR2 780M SLI heavily overclocked versus 980M SLI not overclocked

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  6. TBoneSan

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    You know it's really weird. Had it not been for many of your discoveries I would have said that these 980m's work absolutely 100%.
    I really want to blow the doors of these and OC the crap out of them with an unlocked vbios. Of course, that's not possible.

    Is there a way to go beyond +135 via a software mod?
     
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    Prema vBIOs for GTX 980M. Only for certain ones like mine so far though unless he updated list.
     
  8. Mr. Fox

    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist®

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    Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. Everything is totally erratic and inconsistent with SLI. There is a conflict somewhere and I think the pure UEFI allows some overly aggressive SMI interaction based on an arbitrary system draw threshold without respect to GPU count. I already have the Timer Resolution set. That does help. I use ThrottleStop all the time. I only stop using it when the GPUs decide to have a bad day, because it makes things worse.

    Maxwell is famous for the voltage variance crap. That is causing issues for desktop owners as well. These GPUs should be obeying orders and executing on settings I establish without asking any questions whatsoever. I hate it when hardware is designed to be adaptive and make decisions. That's my job, NVIDIA... not yours and not your GPUs.
     
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    @LoneSyndal: Could you PM me this vbios mod please? ;-)
     
  10. TBoneSan

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    Thanks. I'm looking for a software solution rather than the VBIOS for now if you know of any.
     
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    No the vbios itself won't allow anything else so you have to mod it. Once it is modded you use software to then clock it where you want.
     
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    You have no choice really. Use GPU-Z to save your default/factory vBIOS, then flash it with Prema's and you're good to go. If you dont like the modded one, you at least have a backed up original.
     
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    I'll give it a try one more time this week. Might work, you never know! Do you think it could be conflicting with the Intel chip/driver? I could uninstall/reinstall both driver (yours and intel) one at a time.
     
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    I finally installed the modded driver ! Now windows update is asking for this :
    nVidia - Graphics Adapter WDDM1.1, Graphics Adapter WDDM1.2, Graphics Adapter WDDM1.3, Other hardware - NVIDIA Miracast Audio
    263,0 Mo, Other hardware software update released in December, 2014

    Should I do this update ?
     
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  15. Mr. Fox

    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist®

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    It might. Trying is the best way to find out. Most of this tweaking stuff that works well is only possible because somebody had a wild idea and tried something new and unconventional. I hope it works out. Let us know how it goes.


    Oh hell no, disable Automatic Windows Update and NEVER let it install drivers unless you enjoy fixing problems. This is especially true for video drivers. I have needed to format and reinstall Windows countless times because of Windows Updates that impair performance or introduce instability and conflicts.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Ditto:

    On Windows 7, when I run the first update check, I make sure to right click / hide any driver updates. You only want driver updates from the notebook/computer manufacturer they have been tested to run best on your computer

    On Windows 8.1, it's a bit tricky, during the initial setup after Windows has been installed, the first thing they ask you if you want to enable Windows updates and underneath it, it says "automatically get drivers and info from Windows updates" That needs to be set to off otherwise your doomed because Windows will not even show these drivers, they will silently be installed in the background! hell! I've also had to format because of that before

    [​IMG]
     
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  17. tiliarou

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    Ok so I will make sure to ignore this one a be careful on these ;)
    I guess it wants to install the WDDM as the modded driver is not signed...
     
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  18. Mr. Fox

    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist®

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    It does not matter whether you run Windows 7 or one of the flavors of 8, open gpedit.msc and you can turn it off like I showed in the screen shot. That is Windows 8.1.1, but it's the same settings in Windows 7.

    With those settings you can manually run Microsoft Update whenever you feel like it, but nothing will ever take place independent of you manually doing it. You can hide updates you never want to see again to keep the list of crap whittled down to stuff you haven't seen before.

    Your Windows Update settings in Control Panel will look like this after you apply those restrictions to automatic updates.

    WU.JPG
     
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  19. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    I can not find " turn on recommended updates via automatic updates" The other two settings are there. Why can I not find this adjustment in gpedit ?
     
  20. D2 Ultima

    D2 Ultima Livestreaming Master

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    I have it.

    Do you have Windows 8.1 and not Windows 8.1 Pro? Microsoft HAS removed options in gpedit and some of its subsidiaries like secpol.msc from non-Pro and non-Ultimate versions of windows in the past. I had begun, on principle, using "ultimate" versions of windows by default, because whenever I wanted to do something I bloody well wanted to know it'd be there.
     
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  21. Mr. Fox

    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist®

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    Not sure why you don't have that, papusan.
     
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  22. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    I only use Win 8.1. Could it be that I've closed off every possible Windows update before I used gpedit ? The other 2 settings were there.
     
  23. D2 Ultima

    D2 Ultima Livestreaming Master

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    Well you could set it up through windows to not harass you, but I was specifically talking about the policies editor. Some features have been locked off in non-higher-end copies of windows. For example, in Windows Vista secpol.msc cannot be accessed on home premium. I believe I couldn't even enter gpedit on that version, but I can't remember; it was quite a while back.

    If you have it disabled in Windows, you're fine as far as I know.
     
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    I installed everything correctly but had a slightly lower score in 3dmark11. Still only 14k gpu score for 880M SLI. I tried the SVL7 mod which created a score of 15.5k but the heat was crazy compared to the default vbios. So I will just live with the 14k score...
     
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    Dell added these drivers to the AW 15 Driver download page..?
    Lol they support 860m/GTX780/GTX690...interesting

    I'm keen to some that support 980m.


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    Could be driver or app bug, overheating GPU, or unstable overclock.

    What games does this error happen in?
     
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    Yes when does this happen, what settings are you running?
     
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    It happends during Arma 3 after a while, sometimes it takes forever and sometimes it happends in 10 minutes. and in BF4, it happends instantly at startup.
    My settingswhen crashing are: +180 core + 300 mem & happends at +210 core and +360 mem.

    It has not crashed before i flashed the gpu, although i used the same drivers.
     
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  30. octiceps

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    What happens when you reset your overclock? Sounds like instability is the cause. What are your temps?

    "Flashed the CPU"...don't you mean GPU?
     
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    Yes i meant GPU hehe :p ill try reset and see what happends. Temps have never been above 75 degrees in any situation.

    Update: The crashes countinue after OC reset
     
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  32. LoneSyndal

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    Try removing the overclock and reflashing the GPU. Reboot and test game. I had an issue before where running overclock messed up a few settings that required reflashing to get it functional again. Dont ask how...
     
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    Lol, man. Thank you oncew again, it worked :D Now i just gotta resolve this ***** cpu throttle, but this is not the right thread. Thank you :)
     
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    Hi, So has anyone tried the new 347.25 WHQL drivers yet?

    It says it has SLI support now. If these drivers do work with the GTX 980 SLI setup ,Mr. Fox could you add that mod that lets you switch SLI on and off without rebooting? That is a very handy addition. Not sure why its not part of the driver to start with.
     
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    Cloudfire (Really odd person)

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    347.12 also had support for SLI switching without rebooting. No secret tricks with INF ;)
     
  36. Shadow-Tek

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    Ok well, I don't know a thing about modding drivers :(.
    It is very handy regardless of how its added though :)

    Plus I'm sure he will do other such fixes and mods.
     
  37. tiliarou

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    347.25 WHQL released ! Unfortunately no overclock capability like the previous 347.09 it seems :(
     
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    huh, lets hope this aint a continuous trend...
     
  39. LoneSyndal

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    Sticking to modded drivers then.
     
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    dude that driver is there to troll us all, 3 drivers after 344.75 and none had OC support, I call such bs on this
     
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    nVidia makes do the biggest facepalm ever! :|
     
  42. Mr. Fox

    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist®

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    Maybe they are trying to keep 980M laptop owners from inciting a riot with desktop owners getting their teeth knocked out by laptop benchmarks.

    Also, consider that the majority of the filth that ships with 980M is a pathetic thin and light jokebook that has a 180W or 240W AC adapter and thermally challenged by wimpy cooling systems. We know they are guided by the needs of the lowest common denominator and rest of us may have to suffer mediocrity for the benefit of our nemesis... the jokebook owners.
     
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    I really hate the way nVidia is turning... Seriously.. I did had them in more consideration then this.. It's pathetic what they do.. Oh well
     
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    I tried using other drivers since this, and..well, they fail entirely. what the EFF is going onn !!$#@
     
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  45. Mr. Fox

    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist®

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    That's the million dollar question. NVIDIA doesn't acknowledge their failures. When we get lucky, they quietly fix them and pretend they never existed. The rest of the time, they do nothing... presumably because they don't know how to fix it.
     
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    Another big part about this is how the market sees it. These drivers fail on SLI laptops, the crowd of retards goes "why are you using an SLI laptop? Get a desktop!". Complaining you can't OC on a laptop? "Why are you trying to OC on a laptop? Get a desktop!". Everyone's a massive idiot when it comes to laptop gear. They all assume the machines get to 80 degrees and that we try to game on our laps on battery and that we're like 1/4 the power of desktops and that nobody should ever even try to get high end machines because that's what desktops are for.

    Think about it... a set of us from NBR made a big deal about the 880M 8GB cards being broken. Nothing. A few people started talking on forums about the 970 can't use all its vRAM. All of a sudden it's a big thing being reported on and investigated by Anandtech and PCGamer and all these other websites that apparently don't give a bloody damn what happens to mobile cards or how they work. Why? Because "get a desktop". I guarantee you that there are more high-end laptop owners on this planet than people who own a 970. By far.
     
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    I wonder if it's due to the modded INF as I have had no issues on my machine with SLI and the latest drivers (except of course the sucky OC issue).
     
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    It might be any number of things, Meaker. If it's ONE thing I've learned in the ridiculous amount of things I've tried to do with computers since 2009, it's that there will forever be anomalies. That 5% of systems where something doesn't work... that 5% of systems that DON'T experience issues. For example: Sony Vegas did nothing (and I mean NOTHING) but crash on my D900F (across three separate windows installs; two Vista and one 7). I couldn't use the preview service and I couldn't get anything done in it at all. I install the same version on my P370SM3 and it works fine. No issues. Just like it does on all my friends' systems. Another example is Saint's Row 4. If I change graphical settings in SR4, my game crashes. Doesn't matter what I change. I must launch it, start it, exit it, then modify my graphical settings via the config file after it generates a config file. I discovered this THANKFULLY on a free weekend. Apparently a select few people have the problem, and there is no fix.

    On the flip side: n=1 bought and completed Watch Dogs on his P370SM without issue. Everyone else on the planet was getting stuttering and crashing and all sorts of issues, but it was fine for him. No issues at all. What did his system have different from everyone else's? Nobody knows. Maybe you've just got one of those minuscule numbers of systems that the drivers are okay for, for no discernible reason.
     
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  49. TomJGX

    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    This OC disabling crap is pissing me off.. Can someone find out a way to enable it? There must be a string or something that needs to be changed.. I'm getting bored with 344.75 lol..
     
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    there are still 6 different non-347.xx drivers that are newer than 344.75 for you to check out tho :p

    LaptopVideo2Go: Drivers
     
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