The i5 is a dealbreaker for me, I need hyperthreading.
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holy crap, so in case i wanna swap parts or just to replace tim i have to take apart the whole thing !
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Bga not always low tdp
The AW echo models have unlocked tdp HK while asus has locked 75w cripple
Really differs from manufacturers, can't assume they're all just the same because the cpu/gpu is bga
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). It must have been sky high maximum processor temperatures in bench before you started to re-paste. Maybe the new generation laptop users don't overclock their hardware? But I can understand why they doesn't bother with it
Most of the laptop models today isn't designed for overclocking. Apple and
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Since we already know the 13 R3 will have an i5-6300HQ (and its Kaby Lake Variant) and the GTX 1060, then the only questions to ask are what other CPU and GPU options does it have? It would seem weird to tack on an i7 ULV CPU, as the base option, and if there's no i5-H processor, then it would be weird, though not out of the ordinary, for Alienware to have an i3 option; there's no information about an i7-6700HQ or its Kaby Lake variant yet as an upgrade option. Then the question of which lesser-powered GPUs it will have (GTX 1050 Mobile and/or an RX 460, perhaps?). If it's going to be priced similarly to the 13 R1/R2 when they launched, it'll be surprising to see if they have the base unit with an i5-HQ + GTX 1060 6GB + 8 GB of RAM at $999.
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Is the stock alienware thermal paste bad? I'll have to be honest here, I've done thermal paste changes in desktops but I'm not at all comfortable opening a brand new 2500$ laptop.
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Question: since AMD is offering freesync for free then why it doesnt exist in laptop unlike G-sync ? They already offer 470 not mobile in laptops so why no free sync ?
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Free-Sync laptop displays do exist, but I only remember HP offering them in one laptop configuration/model. The laptop also had an AMD processor, so that narrows the laptops to search for.
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So, do we know what SSDs these come with? Only me that think it is a bit stupid that there seems to be no option of ordering WITHOUT the HD? At least I don't care for extra weight and noise from something I consider to be "old tech".
Any ideas about what kind of noise this would generate for if used as a productivity machine (software programming) unless you really tax it?
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Looking at the specs for the 15" compared to the 17", it seems like they are not really that much different in size (although there seem to be 1 kg different in weight). Are these closer in size than "normal laptops" would be? I guess the special design of these might penalize smaller versions compared to larger.
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MSI GT73VR titan - height x width x depth (in mm):
49 x 428 x 287 (= 1.93 x 16.85 x 11.3 in)
AW15 - (25.4 x 389 x 305) (= 1 x 15.3 x 12)
AW17 - (29.9 x 424 x 332) (= 1.181 x 16.7 x 13.1)
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My P750ZM (15-inch model) is 15" wide x 10" deep x 1.35" thick and has a 4790K desktop CPU that I can bench at 4.8GHz like there is no tomorrow, and my 24/7 daily driver overclock is 4.3GHz.GTO_PAO11 likes this. -
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But, overclocking is super important to me (my favorite hobby) so I bought a new heat sink. Considering it is a unified heat sink (a bad design for any machine in my opinion) it's decent now. It would be better if the CPU and GPU had discrete heat sinks. At 4.3GHz temps are never an issue at all. I have delidded the 4790K and have Liquid Ultra on that. Oddly enough, the GPU has always run very cool, even when overclocked. If it were an additional quarter inch thicker in back to allow for larger radiators I think it would be outstanding and have no problem with 4.5-4.7GHz as the daily driver overclock.
This is the only 15-inch machine I have any experience with. The P775DM3-G is a decent single GPU 17-inch beast. Check out @iunlock thread here: https://www.techinferno.com/index.p...gp75xdm2-g-sager-np9152np9172/#comment-150300
Edit 1: check this one, too: https://www.techinferno.com/index.p...-is-your-cpu-a-golden-chip-how-far-can-it-go/
Edit 2: forgot to answer your question about the P750ZM fan noise. Hardly any. Even if I do FN+1 and force max fans it is not very loud. It is a low-pitched steady wooshing sound that it not obnoxious or distracting.Last edited: Oct 6, 2016 -
Im still up in the air on whether to go with sager or alienware. Sager would definitely give me better performance no doubt about that. But i was put off a little by the build quality/software in my p370sm. Stupid stuff that i take for granted on my everyday laptop like the keyboard backlight, fingerprint reader, etc just never worked right. Plus the fans had a mind of there own, its never ran warm but id be reading some article online and they would ramp up to 100% like i was playing crysis or something. Lastly i dropped the thing once in the whole time i owned it (stupidly put it down on the chair in my kitchen not really looking and it fell off) only hit the floor from like 2 feet in the air, but cracked the whole back left corner, and busted the exhaust vent. I know i dropped it, but i was just a little shocked how easily the plastic broke. Honestly i love the hardware in sager laptops i just wish i could pay extra for a more solid build, if i could i probably wouldnt be looking at alienwares. lol. -
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However, I've been using a 15" for 8+ years, so I don't think it'll be a problem to keep using a screen that size.Mr. Fox likes this. -
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I have been happy with the build quality of every Clevo model I have owned. The P570WM, P870DM-G and P750ZM are well made. I wish all laptops could be built as solid as the old M17xR2, M18xR1 and M18xR2, but those were very rare examples of the best the industry could offer and those days are over for good. Moving from those armored beasts to Clevo was difficult at first. Plastic exterior panels are status quo. My fear of plastic faded quickly in the wake of the superior performance the models I have owned delivered. Alienware began losing the performance crown to Clevo after the M18xR2. They started crippling things at the release of the Alienware 17 and 18. I was in good company with other devout fanboy enthusiasts in begging them to turn things around and stop the performance emasculating nonsense, but they purposefully went in the exact opposite direction and ignored our appeals. For me and my passion, overclocking capacity and performance absolutely eclipses the importance of anything and everything else.
That being said, the P870DM was the nicest and best laptop I have ever owned in spite of the plastic panels and I am looking forward to getting my hands on a P870DM3 with 1080 SLI and 6700K.Last edited: Oct 7, 2016Ashtrix, Papusan, TBoneSan and 1 other person like this. -
After a while, I've notice that material choice (thinness) and construction that was used on my DTR was more so on purpose to create as much volume inside of it as possible for air flow. From that perspective it all makes sense. The screen flex is very minimal and very solid, which I was surprised to have discovered. Either way, I can personally tell you from experience that you have nothing to worry about with the construction of the P775DM3, it's a solid machine in its own regard.
If you need CPU power, it's a no brainer. I too edit and work with a lot of rendering. My daily driver is at 4.6GHz, without breaking a sweat on my 6700K. I would not be able to achieve that with a 6820HK. It ain't going to happen. If you need CPU power, 6700K hands down. I can push the 6700K to 4.8GHz and run it stable for most tasks...with a little more fine tuning, it'll be rock solid.
The highest I was ever able to achieve on the 6820HK was 4.6GHz, but it was not stable and would lock up at random. I've been able to run 4.3GHz okay, but again not super stable on the 6820HK....4.1GHz was the max (stable) and my daily driver, which is pretty good for what it is, however, even at 4.1GHz, that's still shy of the 6700K's base clocks of 4.2GHz.
For everything else non CPU related the GTX 1080 in either the P775DM3 or the new AW 17R4 (GTX1080) will perform 1:1 for the most part across all games that don't require CPU power. Even then, it wouldn't make a huge difference to effect game play.
There are many things to consider with your buying decision. I would strongly encourage you to do a price comparison and you'll see that for the money and since you need the CPU power, the P775DM3 is the better buy. I have a thread showing a break down of a DTR vs the new AW, where the newer AW came out almost $600 more than the DTR. Opinions may vary and take it for what it is, but one thing that can not be argued is the insanity of paying that much more for a locked 6700HQ or even a 6820HK vs a Full Blown Desktop unlocked 6700K. This is not only relevant for those needing CPU power, instead this is relevant to the overall value of the machine itself.
Actually here....I've copied/pasted that section for you from my thread.
Early Comparisons: (Blue = Better / Red = Falls Short / Grey = Equal)
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Clevo P775DM3 / Sager NP9172-S
* i7-6700K
* 1080 FHD w/ GSYNC
* GTX 1070
* 16GB RAM DDR4 2400MHz
* 256GB M.2 SSD
* Killer 1535
* 2 Year Warranty
…$2,114…NO TAX
w/ GTX 1080: $2,502
Options:
* 4K UHD w/ GSYNC is +$275
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Alienware 17R4:
* i7-6820HK
* 1080 FHD w/o GSYNC
* GTX 1070
* 16GB DDR4 2400MHz
* 256GB M.2 SSD + 1TB Paper Weight
* Killer 1525
* 2 Year Warranty
$2,474 + PLUS TAX $198 (Avg. 8%) =
...$2,672...
Options:
* 4K UHD w/ FroFrobii Eye Tracking is +$400
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Reality in terms of value to cost ratio:
* 6700K (socketed lga) > 6820HK (mobile bga)
* GTX 1080 for only $275 more on the DTR. How much more will GTX1080 be on the AW?
* Can paying $558 More for AW17R4 be justified?
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Current thoughts at this time and moment:
Well to be honest, as for the pricing it doesn't look good if the numbers on the pricing page is anywhere near accurate. There's no way that I can justify paying ~ $558 more at this point, however, that can change depending on the GTX 1080 and QHD variant. It's too early to tell.
As I've said before, "Do not pay DTR prices for a bga machine." This is just my opinion and everyone is entitled to their own, but please do the math and make a wise decision that best fits you and your needs.
My simple rule of thumb:
IF, you're going to keep your machine for only a year, buy anything that makes you happy. It's no secret that Dell is much bigger with a larger community so selling your machine will be much easier than a DTR. Fact.
IF, you're going to keep your machine for longer than a year (2-3+ years), buy the P775DM3 / DTR as you'll be able to swap out the CPU to at least Kaby Lake and possibly the MXM GPU if the future allows for that to happen. The only downfall with MXM cards is that you'll dish out ~$1250 for just the GPU, which is ~33% of the value of the notebook itself. However, the advantage here is that you can swap out the CPU or GPU anytime without changing out the whole computer itself, whereas with the AW if you fry the GPU or CPU (which actually does happen more so with soldered chips than socketed as I've fried 3x 17R3 mobo's myself from OC'ing) you have no choice but to replace the entire mobo. In the event of just wanting to upgrade, you could always sell your CPU and/or GPU to recoup some of the cost toward your new CPU/GPU.
So in this regard, the socketed/MXM platform is a much better choice. Let alone the CPU power...
For regular gamers the World is your oyster....AW, MSI, ASUS, ACER, etc...but just make sure to price things out and compare them to everything and you may soon realize that for the same price or even less, you could have something else that may better suit your needs...Last edited: Oct 7, 2016 -
I don't think that I've seen anyone post these here yet, so here are the manuals for both the 17 and the 15.
For the people worrying about optimus and are unsure about if there's switchable graphics or not, according to the manuals you can switch between integrated and discrete gpu with fn+f7.
17: http://topics-cdn.dell.com/pdf/alienware-17-laptop_Setup Guide_en-us.pdf
15: http://topics-cdn.dell.com/pdf/alienware-15-laptop_Setup Guide_en-us.pdf
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I forgot the service manuals so here they are:
17: http://topics-cdn.dell.com/pdf/alienware-17-laptop_Service Manual_en-us.pdf
15: http://topics-cdn.dell.com/pdf/alienware-15-laptop_Service Manual_en-us.pdfCaerCadarn, hmscott and Mr. Fox like this. -
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I've got to ask, how do you consider these positives for the Clevo, when the exact same is available in the AW?
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One main reason I won't pick a DTR is that it is no long portable. Not the weight, but how long can it hold with the huge 89wh battery without PSU? Is it truely necessay to have a battery in P870-DM3?
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