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    New Alienwares 2016

    Discussion in 'Alienware' started by vkt62, Sep 2, 2016.

  1. Djangi

    Djangi Notebook Consultant

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    The i5 is a dealbreaker for me, I need hyperthreading.
     
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    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    holy crap, so in case i wanna swap parts or just to replace tim i have to take apart the whole thing !
    this is ridiculous i think clevo are the most accessible systems but the quality control is uhhh
     
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  4. iunlock

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    The new AW is way easier to repaste than the R2/R3. Pop off the bottom, unscrew the bottom frame piece and bam you have access to everything.

    This is more simple than ever.
     
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  5. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    Not easier than the older socket machine AW17 :cool:
     
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    The Kaby Lake CPUs will have hyperthreading. Looks like you'll have to wait, though.
     
  7. Djangi

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    The Kaby i5 hq series has hyperthreading, do you have a source?
     
  8. EinNarr

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    He retested it on live and didn't uploaded the video. Actually he did repaste once at least before this video. The 1st test on 15r3 shows strange high temperature on 2 of the quad cores.
     
  9. EinNarr

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    It is a paste-form liquid metal
     
  10. EinNarr

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    no it isn't. it was because someone watch the live asked whether 600p is an option. He searched for the review and said the performance is not good. The RAM is hynix and SSD is liteon(not100% sure for ssd)
     
  11. EinNarr

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    It's Just that his friend sent him one. He repasted once but I found the name. not the top ones. He was not trying to use the best paste
     
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    It wouldn't make sense for the i5-HQ to support hyperthreading when their desktop counterparts don't support it either.
    Your source only mentions hyper-threading for the U and Y processors, not i5-HQ.
     
  14. Djangi

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    This article focuses on low voltage processors, which already have hyperthreading in its current en previous generations. At least the U series do.

    The 6300hq that is (according to the youtube source) under the hood of the new A13 is a 45 watt HQ series cpu which isn't discussed in this article.
     
  15. J.Dre

    J.Dre Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    It's not my source. I just grabbed it from a quick Google search, as anyone could do.

    Cannonlake will introduce six-core mobile CPU's: http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/intel-cannon-lake-late-2017-coffee/
     
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  16. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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  17. Mr. Fox

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    Well, that depends on who "anyone" is. And, that may be true of the average person that would consider buying a machine like this since the CPU runs at a low clock speed, has very low TDP and is essentially useless for overclocking. Where I am coming from is the knowledge of the fact that the best available non-liquid metal thermal pastes often don't last more than a month or two of heavy CPU overclocking in a laptop and I forget that there is no such thing as meaningful or "heavy" overclocking on these newer machines. Since their target market has shifted so dramatically I sometimes forget that I have almost nothing left in common with today's Alienware fanboys. In some respects it is like an unfaithful spouse that has remarried. You have nothing left now but fond memories, maybe a few photographs, of better time when there was still love in your house. I apologize for my forgetfulness.
     
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  18. Mobius 1

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    Bga not always low tdp

    The AW echo models have unlocked tdp HK while asus has locked 75w cripple

    Really differs from manufacturers, can't assume they're all just the same because the cpu/gpu is bga



     
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    Two whole months? Did not think this was possible with proper overclocking (at least not with Haswell :eek:). It must have been sky high maximum processor temperatures in bench before you started to re-paste. Maybe the new generation laptop users don't overclock their hardware? But I can understand why they doesn't bother with it :cool: Most of the laptop models today isn't designed for overclocking. Apple and
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    is ODM/ODM's guideline for laptop design nowadays. AKA no easy maintenance, overclocking no no and same thin design!!
     
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  20. Game7a1

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    Since we already know the 13 R3 will have an i5-6300HQ (and its Kaby Lake Variant) and the GTX 1060, then the only questions to ask are what other CPU and GPU options does it have? It would seem weird to tack on an i7 ULV CPU, as the base option, and if there's no i5-H processor, then it would be weird, though not out of the ordinary, for Alienware to have an i3 option; there's no information about an i7-6700HQ or its Kaby Lake variant yet as an upgrade option. Then the question of which lesser-powered GPUs it will have (GTX 1050 Mobile and/or an RX 460, perhaps?). If it's going to be priced similarly to the 13 R1/R2 when they launched, it'll be surprising to see if they have the base unit with an i5-HQ + GTX 1060 6GB + 8 GB of RAM at $999.
     
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    just to know, is it possible to install stock Nvidia drivers with AW laptops ??
    With my xps 13 I have to circumvent the crappy dell driver block if I want to install let's say the latest intel igpu driver.
     
  22. rinneh

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    if you uninstall the drivers first. You can just use the generic intel and nvidia drivers. yu just cant update a dell driver with a generic driver.
     
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    Is the stock alienware thermal paste bad? I'll have to be honest here, I've done thermal paste changes in desktops but I'm not at all comfortable opening a brand new 2500$ laptop.
     
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  24. ashknani

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    I asked Umar so when he tells me im gonna tell u no worries
     
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    Question: since AMD is offering freesync for free then why it doesnt exist in laptop unlike G-sync ? They already offer 470 not mobile in laptops so why no free sync ?
     
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    Free-Sync laptop displays do exist, but I only remember HP offering them in one laptop configuration/model. The laptop also had an AMD processor, so that narrows the laptops to search for.
    I guess panel makers don't see the appeal in it?
     
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  27. improwise

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    So, do we know what SSDs these come with? Only me that think it is a bit stupid that there seems to be no option of ordering WITHOUT the HD? At least I don't care for extra weight and noise from something I consider to be "old tech".

    Any ideas about what kind of noise this would generate for if used as a productivity machine (software programming) unless you really tax it?

    And finally, do we STILL don't know if it has Optimus or not??
     
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    Yeah, seems the same for every manufacturer; they're all including 1TB mechanical drives in all configs. I'm guessing some HDD manufacturer has a really good rate going, and Dell don't bother offering without it as it'll only save $20-30.

    Most videos seem to have little if any fan noise when they're not gaming / stressing it.

    All the sales reps and official people are saying it does support Optimus, but personally I'm not going to rely on it until they're in consumer hands. Basically the reason for the uncertainty is that both G-Sync and non-G-Sync panels connect to the same port, which would at least have to have the ability to connect directly to the GPU, which suggests either there's no Optimus, or there's a mux switch, and yet the reps are saying there is Optimus, but not for G-Sync models (which would mean no mux switch).

    My guess atm is that there is a mux switch, and it's a miscommunication about no Optimus with G-Sync (ie, it is supported, just not at the same time).
     
  29. improwise

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    Looking at the specs for the 15" compared to the 17", it seems like they are not really that much different in size (although there seem to be 1 kg different in weight). Are these closer in size than "normal laptops" would be? I guess the special design of these might penalize smaller versions compared to larger.
     
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    Looking at photos can very misleading. There is actually a huge difference between using a 15-inch versus 17-inch screen. After many years of spoiling myself by owning only 17 and 18 inch notebooks, I am temporarily using a 15-inch notebook and I find it somewhat miserable using such a small screen. I can hardly wait to order a new 17 inch 1080 SLI beast.
     
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    Wasn't comparing photos but actual size measurements listed on Dells site. That said, I agree with you that there is a noticeable difference between a 15" and 17", unfortunately, there is also a big difference in portability. Of course, I'm writing that on a MacBook Pro 15" which might not really be comparable to to the Alienware 15" anyway. If it is not obvious, I am going back and forth between buying the 15" or the 17", but as a consultant, I would have to transport it each day to and from the customer.
     
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    If you're satified with the MBP 15" then you'd probably be happy with the size of the AW15 display. If you don't need something so small you'd probably enjoy the larger screen more. If you've not had a 17-inch laptop before it is difficult to say what your perception of how portable it is will be. I don't find a big difference in portability between 15, 17 and 18 after having owned all three sizes, but going smaller than 17-inch when you are used to the joy of the larger machine is a really difficult adjustment... at least it has been for me. I'm super glad that I'm not going to be stuck with 15-inch as my main machine for too much longer. But, that might go both ways; meaning that someone accustomed to using smaller machines might have difficulty getting used to a larger one.
     
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    MSI GT73VR titan - height x width x depth (in mm):
    49 x 428 x 287 (= 1.93 x 16.85 x 11.3 in)

    AW15 - (25.4 x 389 x 305) (= 1 x 15.3 x 12)

    AW17 - (29.9 x 424 x 332) (= 1.181 x 16.7 x 13.1)


    AW15 is even deeper than 17" MSI.
     
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    Ive been arguing with myself back and forth on the same thing. I had my mind set on the 15" but the dimensions are so close between the 15" and 17" that its almost worth it just to get the 17". The only thing that is making me go back and forth is the weight. I own a 17" sager right now and the weight is my biggest complaint about it traveling, the size never really bothered me. Both of these laptops are heavy compared to there size, so i really wouldnt consider either of them really "portable" laptops. The 15" only weighs a pound less than my sager 17" now and my 17 is almost twice as thick.
     
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    My question isnt really about 15" vs 17" in general but rather that based on pics and specs, it seems like the "penalty" for going from 15" to 17" on these particular models are smaller than for an ordinary laptop. But I could be wrong here as I have never experienced them IRL.


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    Looking at how large the 15 is compared to the 17 it would seem really silly to buy the 15. For hardly any difference in size, the larger screen would make the choice a no-brainer.

    My P750ZM (15-inch model) is 15" wide x 10" deep x 1.35" thick and has a 4790K desktop CPU that I can bench at 4.8GHz like there is no tomorrow, and my 24/7 daily driver overclock is 4.3GHz.
     
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    agree
     
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    Hows that laptop on cooling/fan noise? My other alternative to the alienware 15/17 was the p750dm2. But i just feel like throwing a 6700k and a 1070 in a 15" chassis is probably isnt the best idea. I loved my P370SM3 but i had a bunch of stupid issues with it which kind of turned me off from sager and ive seen no reviews on the p750.
     
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    It's not too bad. The first heat sink (the original) was junk and the CPU temps were insane when overclocking. It was warped and did not fit on the CPU correctly. If you're not into overclocking, running stock would have been fine even with the original heat sink that did not fit well enough. Being a Haswell with FIVR doesn't do any machine (even a desktop) any favors as far as thermals are concerned. A 6700K Skylake runs MUCH cooler than a Haswell 4790K or 4930MX CPU.

    But, overclocking is super important to me (my favorite hobby) so I bought a new heat sink. Considering it is a unified heat sink (a bad design for any machine in my opinion) it's decent now. It would be better if the CPU and GPU had discrete heat sinks. At 4.3GHz temps are never an issue at all. I have delidded the 4790K and have Liquid Ultra on that. Oddly enough, the GPU has always run very cool, even when overclocked. If it were an additional quarter inch thicker in back to allow for larger radiators I think it would be outstanding and have no problem with 4.5-4.7GHz as the daily driver overclock.

    This is the only 15-inch machine I have any experience with. The P775DM3-G is a decent single GPU 17-inch beast. Check out @iunlock thread here: https://www.techinferno.com/index.p...gp75xdm2-g-sager-np9152np9172/#comment-150300

    Edit 1: check this one, too: https://www.techinferno.com/index.p...-is-your-cpu-a-golden-chip-how-far-can-it-go/

    Edit 2: forgot to answer your question about the P750ZM fan noise. Hardly any. Even if I do FN+1 and force max fans it is not very loud. It is a low-pitched steady wooshing sound that it not obnoxious or distracting.
     
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    I probably wouldnt overclock the laptop, mostly because i have a pretty nice watercooled desktop that i play around with. My 4790k i have in my desktop is probably the hottest running CPU i have ever owned though. I actually returned my first 4790k, when i upgraded to it because i thought something was wrong with it, lol. So hearing that the 6700k runs much cooler is good to know. Only reason the 6700k sager has interested me is because i make youtube videos, mostly on fallout 4/skyrim mods and having a desktop CPU would definitely help with that since modded bethesda games tend to be more CPU dependent. Plus it would probably let me render videos in sony vegas alot quicker than a 6820k. I just hate being stuck in my room while i game, so the appeal of recording videos while i relax on back deck is appealing.

    Im still up in the air on whether to go with sager or alienware. Sager would definitely give me better performance no doubt about that. But i was put off a little by the build quality/software in my p370sm. Stupid stuff that i take for granted on my everyday laptop like the keyboard backlight, fingerprint reader, etc just never worked right. Plus the fans had a mind of there own, its never ran warm but id be reading some article online and they would ramp up to 100% like i was playing crysis or something. Lastly i dropped the thing once in the whole time i owned it (stupidly put it down on the chair in my kitchen not really looking and it fell off) only hit the floor from like 2 feet in the air, but cracked the whole back left corner, and busted the exhaust vent. I know i dropped it, but i was just a little shocked how easily the plastic broke. Honestly i love the hardware in sager laptops i just wish i could pay extra for a more solid build, if i could i probably wouldnt be looking at alienwares. lol.
     
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    Unfortunately for me the 17" is just that little bit too large. I'll be using mine on the train, and even the 15" is pushing the size a bit too much; the 17" is definitely over. It's a shame, because I think in the previous generation the 17" actually was small enough to use, but this one definitely isn't.

    However, I've been using a 15" for 8+ years, so I don't think it'll be a problem to keep using a screen that size.
     
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    Is the warped heatsink still a common issue on the P750ZM or is that something that's been fixed now?

    Sent from my HTC6545LVW using Tapatalk
     
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    The P750ZM is no longer sold. I has been replaced by newer models. Inconsistent heat sink fit is Clevo's weakness, but it does not affect all of them. When they fit right they're excellent. I had a Eurocom Sky X9 (P870DM-G) review unit and then my own P870DM-G and both had excellent fitting heat sinks. I know of a couple of P870DM-G owners that had poorly fitting CPU heat sinks. Replacing them fixed the problem. It seems like every OEM has things that they need to do a better job of. Some have multiple somethings they need to do a better job of. Nobody sells the perfect laptop. That doesn't exist anywhere. Actually, it never did but some came pretty darned close. That's not really true any more. A few models stand out as better than the other options that are available, but nothing is available today that doesn't have at least one or two easily identifiable flaws.

    The P370SM definitely had its challenges, especially in the realm of cooling. Every example I have seen leaves something to be desired in that area. I had a chance to buy one for a very reasonable price and passed on it for that reason. I was told by a reputable Clevo distributor that knew my passion for overclocking and benching that it was not suitable for my purposes, and I took their advice.

    I have been happy with the build quality of every Clevo model I have owned. The P570WM, P870DM-G and P750ZM are well made. I wish all laptops could be built as solid as the old M17xR2, M18xR1 and M18xR2, but those were very rare examples of the best the industry could offer and those days are over for good. Moving from those armored beasts to Clevo was difficult at first. Plastic exterior panels are status quo. My fear of plastic faded quickly in the wake of the superior performance the models I have owned delivered. Alienware began losing the performance crown to Clevo after the M18xR2. They started crippling things at the release of the Alienware 17 and 18. I was in good company with other devout fanboy enthusiasts in begging them to turn things around and stop the performance emasculating nonsense, but they purposefully went in the exact opposite direction and ignored our appeals. For me and my passion, overclocking capacity and performance absolutely eclipses the importance of anything and everything else.

    That being said, the P870DM was the nicest and best laptop I have ever owned in spite of the plastic panels and I am looking forward to getting my hands on a P870DM3 with 1080 SLI and 6700K.
     
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  44. iunlock

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    Well to be honest, yes you're going to get a more solid feel and better built machine with the AW, but I can tell you that the P775DM3 isn't as bad as I thought it would be. The AW's are a lot more dense and solid like a well made German car. Think Mercedes or BMW's tight tolerance. The P775DM3 is more like an American made GM...think Cadillac. It's the better end of a GM product, but still nowhere near the quality of German Engineering. However, in real world perspective, I think you'll be surprised to find out that the P775DM3 is a lot better than the bias found on the internet or from personal experience of your older rig. It's really not that bad.

    After a while, I've notice that material choice (thinness) and construction that was used on my DTR was more so on purpose to create as much volume inside of it as possible for air flow. From that perspective it all makes sense. The screen flex is very minimal and very solid, which I was surprised to have discovered. Either way, I can personally tell you from experience that you have nothing to worry about with the construction of the P775DM3, it's a solid machine in its own regard.

    If you need CPU power, it's a no brainer. I too edit and work with a lot of rendering. My daily driver is at 4.6GHz, without breaking a sweat on my 6700K. I would not be able to achieve that with a 6820HK. It ain't going to happen. If you need CPU power, 6700K hands down. I can push the 6700K to 4.8GHz and run it stable for most tasks...with a little more fine tuning, it'll be rock solid.

    The highest I was ever able to achieve on the 6820HK was 4.6GHz, but it was not stable and would lock up at random. I've been able to run 4.3GHz okay, but again not super stable on the 6820HK....4.1GHz was the max (stable) and my daily driver, which is pretty good for what it is, however, even at 4.1GHz, that's still shy of the 6700K's base clocks of 4.2GHz.

    For everything else non CPU related the GTX 1080 in either the P775DM3 or the new AW 17R4 (GTX1080) will perform 1:1 for the most part across all games that don't require CPU power. Even then, it wouldn't make a huge difference to effect game play.

    There are many things to consider with your buying decision. I would strongly encourage you to do a price comparison and you'll see that for the money and since you need the CPU power, the P775DM3 is the better buy. I have a thread showing a break down of a DTR vs the new AW, where the newer AW came out almost $600 more than the DTR. Opinions may vary and take it for what it is, but one thing that can not be argued is the insanity of paying that much more for a locked 6700HQ or even a 6820HK vs a Full Blown Desktop unlocked 6700K. This is not only relevant for those needing CPU power, instead this is relevant to the overall value of the machine itself.

    Actually here....I've copied/pasted that section for you from my thread.

    Early Comparisons: (Blue = Better / Red = Falls Short / Grey = Equal)

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    Clevo P775DM3 / Sager NP9172-S

    * i7-6700K
    * 1080 FHD w/ GSYNC
    * GTX 1070

    * 16GB RAM DDR4 2400MHz
    * 256GB M.2 SSD
    * Killer 1535
    * 2 Year Warranty


    …$2,114…NO TAX


    w/ GTX 1080: $2,502

    Options:

    * 4K UHD w/ GSYNC is +$275

    ________________________________

    Alienware 17R4:


    * i7-6820HK
    * 1080 FHD w/o GSYNC
    * GTX 1070

    * 16GB DDR4 2400MHz
    * 256GB M.2 SSD + 1TB Paper Weight
    * Killer 1525

    * 2 Year Warranty

    $2,474 + PLUS TAX $198 (Avg. 8%) =

    ...$2,672...


    Options:

    * 4K UHD w/ FroFrobii Eye Tracking is +$400

    ________________________________

    Reality in terms of value to cost ratio:

    * 6700K
    (socketed lga) > 6820HK (mobile bga)

    * GTX 1080 for only $275 more on the DTR. How much more will GTX1080 be on the AW?

    * Can paying $558 More for AW17R4 be justified?

    ________________________________

    Current thoughts at this time and moment:

    Well to be honest, as for the pricing it doesn't look good if the numbers on the pricing page is anywhere near accurate. There's no way that I can justify paying ~ $558 more at this point, however, that can change depending on the GTX 1080 and QHD variant. It's too early to tell.

    As I've said before, "Do not pay DTR prices for a bga machine." This is just my opinion and everyone is entitled to their own, but please do the math and make a wise decision that best fits you and your needs.

    My simple rule of thumb:

    IF, you're going to keep your machine for only a year, buy anything that makes you happy. It's no secret that Dell is much bigger with a larger community so selling your machine will be much easier than a DTR. Fact.

    IF, you're going to keep your machine for longer than a year (2-3+ years), buy the P775DM3 / DTR as you'll be able to swap out the CPU to at least Kaby Lake and possibly the MXM GPU if the future allows for that to happen. The only downfall with MXM cards is that you'll dish out ~$1250 for just the GPU, which is ~33% of the value of the notebook itself. However, the advantage here is that you can swap out the CPU or GPU anytime without changing out the whole computer itself, whereas with the AW if you fry the GPU or CPU (which actually does happen more so with soldered chips than socketed as I've fried 3x 17R3 mobo's myself from OC'ing) you have no choice but to replace the entire mobo. In the event of just wanting to upgrade, you could always sell your CPU and/or GPU to recoup some of the cost toward your new CPU/GPU.

    So in this regard, the socketed/MXM platform is a much better choice. Let alone the CPU power...

    For regular gamers the World is your oyster....AW, MSI, ASUS, ACER, etc...but just make sure to price things out and compare them to everything and you may soon realize that for the same price or even less, you could have something else that may better suit your needs...
     
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    Mondrow Notebook Enthusiast

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    I don't think that I've seen anyone post these here yet, so here are the manuals for both the 17 and the 15.

    For the people worrying about optimus and are unsure about if there's switchable graphics or not, according to the manuals you can switch between integrated and discrete gpu with fn+f7.

    17: http://topics-cdn.dell.com/pdf/alienware-17-laptop_Setup Guide_en-us.pdf
    15: http://topics-cdn.dell.com/pdf/alienware-15-laptop_Setup Guide_en-us.pdf

    Edit:
    I forgot the service manuals so here they are:
    17: http://topics-cdn.dell.com/pdf/alienware-17-laptop_Service Manual_en-us.pdf
    15: http://topics-cdn.dell.com/pdf/alienware-15-laptop_Service Manual_en-us.pdf
     
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    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist®

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    That's truly great news. I would never wish Optimus or Windows hybrid graphics switching on anyone, including an enemy. It's an example of compromise at its worst. Manual graphics switching delivers superior battery life running IGFX for those that need that, and discrete mode is free of the impediments associated with Optimus machines.
     
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    I've got to ask, how do you consider these positives for the Clevo, when the exact same is available in the AW?

    Also, your comparison is fine if those are the features you are interested in. Personally, I am also interested in battery life while gaming, for which the 6820HK is a more attractive option, plus you haven't mentioned battery capacity, which again is a huge advantage of the AW.
     
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    And ofcourse the ergonomics.
     
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    One main reason I won't pick a DTR is that it is no long portable. Not the weight, but how long can it hold with the huge 89wh battery without PSU? Is it truely necessay to have a battery in P870-DM3?
     
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    If you have to be off the grid, battery life is important. The M18xR2 I used to love could run for 6 hours on battery on IGFX with lights out and a few other power conserving settings. I think I used it on battery maybe 3 times in the years I owned it, but I traveled with it extensively. I seldom ever needed to use it on battery and almost never did. The best thing about having the battery is using it as a build-in UPS. So, yes... for that reason alone, it's good to have a battery in the P870DM3.
     
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