New Alienwares 2016

You do sound really negative and also insulting other users "kool-aid drinking yes men" for example.

I play first person shooters on a fairly high level (no not competitive, got an actual job) and one issue was present for a long time. To have a perfectly fluid moving image you needed to enable v-sync. If not enabling v-sync you would obviously get tearing and or skipped frames (if CS go spews out 300+ frames and your monitor only can handle 60, you can imagine how many frames are lost and a jittery image can appear). Enabling v-sync added input lag in many games though. Overwatch for example has a very floaty aim when v-sync is enabled. Almost impossible to be accurate with v-sync enabled. In these cases g-sync is really a nice thing to have. Its not just a random useless feature. It is incredibly nice for actual hardcore gamers. One note though, g-sync is especially nice if the monitor can output more than 60~75fps and thus make use of all that horsepower without tearing.

If you are just benchmarking or play games casually yeah I can imagine you won't notice it. But dont project your maybe "inexperience?" with hardcore gaming as a benchmark of how everyone experiences it.

That on laptops G-sync is nothing more than an open sync functionality? That is 100% true, is there some extra quality control ensured by Nvidia for it to work flawless? Probably since AMD Freesync (another variation on Opensync) is a very mixed bag in comparison with some monitors not giving the same experience as others. While the G-sync experience is pretty much universal over the entire monitor range apart from the max framerate ofcourse. This depends on the screen panel used.

 

Having to completely dismantle an Alienware notebook for basic maintenance is pretty nuts.
That new chassis design looks unnecessarily tedious and cumbersome to deal with.

Edit: I think someone asked about this in a previous post. That "foil" in the video appears to be Coollaboratory Liquid Metal Pad. http://www.coollaboratory.com/product/coollaboratory-liquid-metalpad/

 

I wish I could say the same, however I've never in the past 10 or so years of owning laptops spent more than $1000 usd on one and they have all had to last me 3-4 years. Maybe this time I'll be able to splurge!

Regarding Nvidia, it's a crying shame really. I never used to recommend Nvidia cards to my friends who asked my advice. Now in the last roughly 2 years I have had to start telling my friends the truth. You won't get the same performance if you buy AMD anymore, it's not even close. Price/performance ratio is ridiculous. This has become especially true in laptops. But Desktops are affected also. What I especially despise is how Nvidia has essentially paid off multiple game publishers so that you almost can't play some games if you have an AMD card. AMD gets left in the dust and has to catch up just to make a usable driver for the latest games that are "Best played on Nvidia."

I'm all for capitalism and all but Nvidia has taken this too far for too long and if you think they actually care about gamers, you should see a psychiatrist because you are completely delusional. That being said, I wouldn't resort to name-calling in place of just stating the pure facts about the situation. That only puts me at the same level as Nvidia and I won't stoop to walk in their crap.

I saw they had an option on the AW to get an AMD card and it was the same exact price as the Nvidia 1060, but for lower performance. I can't see any reason why they offer that option but I'm glad they do. It shows the industry that at least some laptop makers still want to offer gamers the option to spend their money with the company they support. Of course, AMD is a shell of what they once were but I really hope they can pull themselves together because this land of no competition is really hurting gamers.

 

NVIDIA cares only about NVIDIA. They are awesome only because they get lots of money for pretending to care and pushing the performance envelope year after year. But, they are the masters of smoke and mirrors deception, gimmicks and as crooked as a dog's hind leg. In spite of all that, what they offer is the best available to us even when it's borked or abused. But, yeah... AMD basically sucks and they have themselves to thank for that... we can't blame NVIDIA for AMD's incompetence. NVIDIA has a monopoly in large part due to AMDs lack of mojo.

Capitalism and free enterprise are frickin awesome and always will be. If things were regulated more then both of them would suck, not just AMD.

 

Gsync realy needed to avoid such problem.

 

#Guinea pig

My AW15 1070 is coming in max 2 weeks . Will check the thing, for 6 years I had used Gsync-less laptops, just check Vsync ON and sometimes triple-buffering and it's good to go. But yeah would have prefered a FHD IPS GSYNC. Most important is the guys ordering 120hz, or expensive QHD/UHD panels...if they pay that much Gsync is the least they could add.

 

amd really needs to make a comeback with vega

 

I play Street Fighter V. Will G Sync benefit me? I just want better input lag.

 

Not sure if anyone is remotely interested but the drivers for the new 2016 Alienware's have been released and posted, so hopefully for those that ordered it's another sign that shipping will commence soon.

Alienware 17 (Web) - http://www.dell.com/support/home/uk/en/ukbsdt1/product-support/product/alienware-17-laptop/drivers
Alienware 17 (Direct) - http://downloads.dell.com/published/pages/alienware-17-laptop.html
Alienware 15 (web) - http://www.dell.com/support/home/uk/en/ukbsdt1/product-support/product/alienware-15-laptop/drivers
Alienware 15 (Direct) - http://downloads.dell.com/published/pages/alienware-15-laptop.html

 

Do you have v-sync disabled? If you do not, try disabling that and it should eliminate your input lag. If that game has the framerate artificially capped as so many of the crappy console ports do, G-Sync probably won't do anything for you at all.

 

Thanks, good to know.


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Hmm, no Alienware 13 and the GTX1080 option for the 17? Alienware sure it late this generation...

 

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Since the there is a 0 euro upgrade price, upgrading the killer nic from a 1435 to a 1535 seems logical. Any reason not to upgrade ?


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Just placed an order for my new work laptop.

17.3" FHD
i7-6820HK
GTX 1070
32GB DDR4
256GB SSD + 1TB 7200 HDD

Estimated Delivery: Oct. 24 - Nov. 1

 

I know it exists, but it isn't available yet. Which is why I'm disappointed.

 

Meh, relax. Wait for Kaby Lake.

 

Vsync is on. You can't disable it on the options.

Reason why I ask is because I heard Gsync reduces input lag. I want to know if Gsync will reduce my input lag playing SF V.

 

I hate when they do that.

Try disabling it in NVIDIA Control Panel on the "Global settings" tab as well as the "Program settings" tab after selecting the game title from the drop-down menu on the "Program settings" tab.

 

Optimus has diagonal screen tearing eveb after disable vsync

 

Only some games right? I encountered it once in Doom. Now I dont see it anymore since I could use the Vulkan API.

 

When I scroll through webpages it also happen

Random effect, can't really tell what causes the tearing

 

Diagnal tearing is definitely an Optimus issue.

I wish Dell would chase thinness within a line like MSI's GS series, and had kept the standard Alienwares thicker and more easy to access.

Trying to chase both goals at once is causing dilution, and something has to give, if the people at the top keep shouting "THINNER" at the design team.

 

Yeah, I agree. I was actually disappointed when they were talking about the new series being thinner, but a lot deeper for the cooling. I was actually considering a 17" laptop this time, but the new one is too deep for how I want to use it, so it has to be the 15" (which is almost as deep as the previous 17").

 

And the same is aw13.

 

It does seem very compact, but the fact that he's able to completely dismantle it, redo the paste, and put it back together again within 40 minutes doesn't seem that bad to me.

Thanks for that. As before, would've been nice to see him retest the performance with the new paste.

 

Why use Liquid metal pad instead of Liquid Ultra? Has he discovered that this unified heatsink not work properly? Or maybe he lives in a different world and think Liquid pads work better?

 

Not worth trying to use the more expensive liquid metal on a preproduction sample

Also don't forget that the clevo heatsinks are also trash for being uneven

 

I am fully aware of it. Therefore, trial and error until you get a result you can live with. As long heasink is useable... Liquid Ultra!! Or get a replacement heatsink or go for alternative solutions that will functioning for you

 

Your point is well taken on the amount of time it took compared to the amount of effort required. Considering what was involved it did not take that long. However, it's simply too much time and effort for something as basic and simple as replacing thermal paste to require exactly the same amount of time and effort as a motherboard replacement.

For someone like you or me, it is certainly not the end of the world because we're not afraid of rolling up our sleeves. I am not afraid to pull the engine out of my car if I need to rebuild it, but I certainly don't want to have to do that just to change the oil filter. For someone that is not like us, the way that is made is going to be perceived as a daunting task for a simple maintenance operation that should be very uncomplicated and require little more than removal of an access panel/bottom cover.

I was also disappointed that he did not show us before and after temperatures.

 

The way I see it is that if you're not confident enough with pulling the whole system apart and taking the motherboard out, then you really shouldn't be removing and repasting the heatsink anyway.

I also don't really consider repasting to be a 'basic and simple' task. It's pretty much the most complicated task an end user would ever want or need to do (besides perhaps lapping the heatsink).

 

Well, noobs have to start some place. A motherboard R&R is definitely not a job for most noobs to cut their teeth on. Replacing thermal paste is probably the easiest and most common maintenance task that serves as an initiation right for many noobs. Regardless of our opinions on that matter, I still think that having to pull the motherboard to replace thermal paste is a pretty idiotic design to have to put up with, even for those of us with an advanced skill set. Being made sturdy and employing an intelligent, thoughtful design are two different things. It's nice when you can have both, but the latter is clearly missing on this new machine.

Watching it from start to finish in that video (ignoring the time wasted element) it looks like quite the abortion how it is assembled. Maybe their intent is to make it so tedious to deal with that some people will be too scared to dive in and opt to live with high temps instead of making things better... but, I hope not.

 

Either way, to me it seems like a moot point. You're not going to need to repaste very often (probably only once, if that), and regardless of whether it's more difficult than it needs to be, it's not ridiculously complicated such that it would put you off doing the task. Basically, you do it once, even if it's a bit more difficult, and then the job is done and you don't need to worry about it.

Hardly something anyone is going to base a purchase decision on.

 

remember the m18x's upper portion needs to completely be taken off to repaste lol

 

Any other images of the AW13? The 15 is so big with those bezels and added weight. Great desktop replacement, but not really portable.

 

There's a youtube video of it, can search

 

Not that I was able to find. Searched "alienware 13" uploaded in the past week.

Edit: found it. Uploaded more than a week ago

 

Remember when Clevos were like, ugly formless bricks from the outside, but the insides seemed to have been personally molded by an Engineering God? Fast forward to 2013, and they can't even get heatsink right. Alienware and MSI are my only choices anymore, and MSI with their trade in program are about to lose my business.

I've had $3k in credit with Dell for like 3 years, and I've been sitting on it. I'll wait until Volta at this point, then decide.

Just seems like the gaming laptop scene lost that feel of the competitor's trying to one up each other.

 

At least we are making progress... This time we don't have to remove the LCD

 

Anyone?

 

I must admit that seeing this video makes me doubt my decision to buy a new 15. I really like the form factor. Although it will probably be a lot heavier.

Note: The uploader of the video states that it houses a i5 6300hq, I really hope that it can be upgraded to a 6700hq.

 

I'd be shocked if it couldn't. There's enough copper in there to handle it just fine. Its great it has gsync, as long as it's got a mux switch.

 

I think I'll wait a little bit longer, I really hope they will publish the final specs anytime soon. If there is an 6700hq option I will probably buy the 13 and an AGA. If it doesn't I'll go with a supersized new 15 (6820hk, gtx1070, 16gb, 256ssd, etc.).

 

Imagine if the 13" could have a 6820HK. TBH there isn't a reason they couldn't put one in- it's just a matter of if they want to.

 

Hah, that would be awesome. If they do get it to work(with acceptable temps), they probably won't due to marketing reasons.

 

Sony did a similar thing in the past with the vaio z1x series. Still love those machines. Core i7, geforce 330, quad raid ssd setup and the first fhd screen in a 13 inch laptop. Package of only 1.3kg. Apple could only offer the same in a much bigger 15inch chassis.

 

6820Hk is a so called unlocked i7. What Oc profile would Dell's engineers create for this model? Or fully Locked at stock clockspeed? A max crippled Firmvare can easily be done!!

 

Or an AGA exclusive unlock.

 

You can dream Dell's engineers have more than enough with the development of firmvare for the Echo's bigger brothers

 

I think I saw on the slide that the 13" will only be i5-HQ. that's a shame. Just trying to maximise profit by limiting skus I guess.