New Alienwares 2016

Yeah, I know. But I just referred to some figures. AW is small compared to the largest Brand. And there are no reliable figures for Clevo as well. It is wrong to say 100%, that AW is a much larger brand for gaming machines than Clevo AW is under the Dell umbrella. And all know Dell sell a lot of laptops in all variants. Not only gaming laptops.

 

Yeah just editted my text. Regarding Asus. They sell ROG laptops with just a 950M inside. They call this gaming grade (also 940M in their Zenbooks by the way). So I guess there the 1.1million number is based on. Actually I never saw an Asus gaming laptop in the wild ever. Even MSI's and Clevo's are laptops I see in the wild from time to time.

 

Actually no, aesthetics are important to me as well. If you look around, I've been preaching this since day one. The unfortunate thing is that there are very limited choices for when needing 6700K power.

The difference is....this time around it is much different when comparing GPU's as it's no longer 980 vs 980M, which is lopsided in the first place, but rather both AW and Clevo will share the same Pascal GPU.

 

It is alarming that some brand say in their advertising that all of its laptop models are gaming machines (no matter which graphics card is used). Even Dell using this form of advertising for one of their standard Dell machines. I do not remember what model it was. But people jump on it

 

I am hoping today my laptop ships if not hopefully before next weekend. Some good games coming out now in the next few weeks.

 

As i said before: china had national holidays from 10/01/16 until today and they wont get shipped until mid/end of next week.

 

Luckily I feel I do not need that much power. What will happen to u if it goes back to the old days when Mobile CPUs can be PGA? Will you possibly choose a BGA machine？

 

most likely Alienware and others will start making the PGA motherboard as their flagship


only trash manufacturers like ASUS, AORUS, ACER (ok not sure on them) will still use BGA on their products

 

Well, Alienware has had more than its fair share of QC issues as well. For as long as I can remember, the threads have been blowing up with complaints about a variety of issues. At times the volume of threads from disgruntled Alienware owners has been ridiculous, and we actually have a dedicated thread for that. This is not a slam on Alienware... As I mentioned earlier, every OEM has one or more issues where they need to do better. My Clevos have all been more reliable than the Alienware systems I have owned. That's a good thing because Dell/Alienware warranty is a lot better. (Some of the retarded clowns that service the Dell/Alienware warranty often leave much to be desired.) Thankfully, I haven't needed to send a Clevo off to be fixed and wait for weeks to get it back. Cooling is one area where Alienware has historically excelled. I can't say if that is still true or not since I no longer have any interest in their products. It may or many not hold true today.

 

I think you mean their latest Inspiron 15inch laptop, black with red accents. It has a 960M. For the money pretty good. Only around 800 euro's. But I wouldnt call it a gaming machine.

 

What will happen to me? LOL what kind of question is that?

Answer: I will still by happy ROFL....what kind of answer did you expect?

Will I choose a bga machine? Honest question. Did you read the prior posts and/or have you seen my sig? I own a MBPr, which is a bga machine.

I'm not following you mate as your replies have no context to them at all.

 

Thanks for the infos, I've been patiently waiting for a well-cooled 15" pascal notebook since mid-august, I can still wait for few days ^^. Seriously nearly ALL 15" 1070 laptops hit the 89°C on the gpu side ... G502VS, msi gt62VR that throttles, aorus etc, gigabyte p35 (90°+C !!!). and the clevo P650 has a weak cpu cooling, bad bios, and bad qc.

I was sick of it so when I saw that big heatsink in the new AW 15, i knew that was going to be my next purchase ^^, all other barebones are just recycled maxwell barebones, not barebones made from scratch for Pascal which heats way more.


In the USA, what is your ETA for them to ship you a 1070 laptop (AW 15R3 and AW 17R4) ?

 

Has anyone received their AW 15? I wonder when we will see a user review popup.

 

cmon Clevo guys... use your threads...btt pls

 

The new AW's with the new cooling system can potentially take the crown for the best cooling system for Pascal in a laptop. The AW 1070 has already demonstrated to stay in the low 60's to mid 60's while gaming so things look promising.

 

Some folks are complaining that they are too big because of the larger cooling system. Personally, I think that the extra size and weight being used to improve cooling is a really smart idea. Yes, I will give them credit for going against the thinner and lighter fad on this. While it's still BGA and unacceptable to me, I must give credit where credit it due and say kudos for making the new Alienware laptops bigger to run cooler. It has already been demonstrated on dozens of brands/models that smaller chassis means smaller cooling system, which always translates into more heat. To me that is a no-brainer... 1+1=2.

 

I mean no offense but just wanna know if u insist PGA for ur gaming monster, or it is also fine if it is a well built BGA.

 

As mentioned before, with Pascal it makes no difference as you can game the same now across the board. There's no longer a gap like there once was before.

A gaming monster to me would be a desktop.

::iunlock::

 

BGA will and will still be bad binned processors. I can not see any benefits of it. Only downs. Just look at 6820BGA. And even worse... 6700Hq = no free + 200MHz overclock As previously low entry i7 Fully locked @3.1GHz on all 4 cores

 

Personally, I would have to say no on that one. PGA and MXM is the price of general admission to Club Awesome. Does that mean that I think all BGA machines are poorly constructed? No, not at all. Some are very well made, like Alienware and MSI. It means that I think BGA always sucks no matter what brand, and it has no place in a machine marketed as "high performance" because it's ordinary mainstream consumer technology designed to impose undesirable limitations that ultimately serve the selfish interests of the people selling BGA crap. To date, all BGA CPUs have performance limitations compared to the superior PGA options. This is an industry-wide scourge and a cancer of technology that is not brand specific.

 

I didn't see anyone post this yet.

He talks about the AW17 w/1440p 120hz GYSNC screen and GTX 1060.

I was all primed for the AW15 but now I like the AW17 as well. ^_^

 

That's the main reason for me going to alienware. Aorus is too thin and loud, msi too game'ey? and asus too cheap looking. I want a solid build laptop with a really good thermal solution without sounding like my current clevo.

 

I am in the same boat as you Kronephon.

 

MSI 16L13 with 6700k and 1070 is a good idea. I have one 15" frame.

 

Nice! Are you overclocking the CPU and GPU? I am curious what the temps are like and how well it overclocks, especially the CPU. I haven't seen any examples or benchmarks anywhere.

It's really weird that MSI sells a better barebones configuration at a better price than their overpriced retail BGA notebooks. This is the generic version of the Eurocom Tornado F5, correct?

 

Go check out the MSI GT62VR/Barebones 16L13 thread over in the MSI forum, about 3-4 of us have the Barebones and it's performing blissfully.

I haven't personally overclocked the 6700K as I bought the 6700K for the flexibility of downclocking it and or running it at full speed for my encoding/rendering applications. I was able to to do 4.3ghz at stock voltage for fun.

I can also overclock the 1070 +260mhz on core and +600 on memory just fine as well. The 230watt keeps up fine but the CPU will downclock automatically becaus of power limit throttling (only saw the downclocking happen on CPU during a Prime95 + Furmark load).

The laptop is extremely quiet under max load (which is the reason I chose it over Sager) and I personally de-lidded the 6700K and used CLP on the repaste of GPU and CPU and i'm extremely happy.. I think it's the perfect laptop you can buy for around 1500 shipped with 6700K + 1070. Battery lasts me 4~ hours too.

Not trying to derail the thread, as i'm still following the new Alienware threads closely.. I was going to buy one until I just decided the barebones was far cheaper for more flexibility. Dual m2 slots can be raided on this and it also has the 2.5" slot.

Also, I plan on upgrading the panel to the Alienware 120hz (pending the display cable is long enough to make it work).

Edit: Actually I just remembered the display cable plugs directly into panels these days on eDP so it should be an easy swap. I swapped various TN to IPS on recent laptops and they were a breeze.. You'd be surprised how many panel models are interchangeable even if the OEM doesn't offer it.

 

10% off on all Alienware products in Europe.


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Anyone know what kind of memory alienware is using, like they want a extra +$150 to go from 8 to 16GB. When you can buy 16GB of the same speed RAM for $70 off amazon. Seems like thats the better option. Same goes for the SSD $300 for a 512GB when i could just get my own drive for $160 or get a 1TB for $340. How many m2 slots does the 15/17 have?

 

I'm also wondering if the m.2 heatsink/cover plate will be included when you order without a SSD. If I do remember correctly, they did something similar with the 13.

 

The first noob friendly upgrade video is online. Shows the insides of the new 15 with a bit more definition.

 

The memory and SSD's they use will vary. I would not recommend paying extra for them. From my experience, aftermarket memory and storage is always better.

 

Is it better or just cheaper? For someone valuing time and effort more than money I don't mind paying some extra dollars to save some time not having to upgrade myself and worry about if it will work etc.

 

Hey guys !
I request your advice.
I want an AW 15 but is it very important to wait 120hz panel ? It will be an ips one or nobody know ?
What do you think about the defaut 1080p and the uhd quality ? Do you think that it can be egual to the msi gt72vr panel ?
I just want a durable desktop replacement with some casual gaming and good screen for a long time... So i appreciate the 10 % off europe deal but i don't want to miss a better screen value

 

Unless you plan to game on the built in monitor, is there any advantage of choosing the 120 hz panel? I just think that 17" is way to small to get into gaming As I would use this for productivity use, I think the 4K option might be a better alternative.

Can we assume that Dell/Alienware will continue to outfit these with the best panels available with good brightness etc? Seems like Dells laptop panels have always been good quality compared to others like Lenovo which seem to use budget panels even in high end models like the P50

(Edit: Kind of funny severous asked kind of the same question at the same time)

 

The main question that you should ask yourself is, are satisfied with 60 fps?

 

I just ordered the new 15. 6820HK, 16gb 2667 mhz, 256GB ssd, uhd, eta October 20.

 

Edit: If so, the 1080p option should be fine. I wouldn't go for the de 4k option if you intend to primarily use your laptop for gaming.

I went with the 4k option because I'm a game developer. I like the extra crispness it adds to code. I will probably play games in 1080p.
I always go ips due to the color accuracy.


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It's better performance for your money. For example, upgrading to the "256GB PCIe SSD" on Alienware.com costs $150. It will have read speeds around 1400MB/s and write speeds around 500MB/s (respectively). Why spend $150 on this generic "OEM" SSD when you can purchase an aftermarket Samsung 950 PRO* with 2100MB/s read and 900MB/s write with more IOPS for $185?

Money best spent elsewhere! Same goes for RAM. Kingston HyperX DDR4 2400MHz is more efficient than the OEM brand.

*Aftermarket SSD's tend to have better NAND, which means a longer, sustainable, useful lifespan.

 

Thanks. So you know what SSD and RAM is in the new Alienwares? What are they?

 

So, Alienware video says " there are 4 users accessible parts" and they identify the drives, WiFi and RAM modules. -!?!- Does that mean they don't want users accessing any other parts? I hope not. Everything inside of the machine should be deemed as user accessible. I'm not sure what their statement is supposed to mean, but it doesn't sound good. I hope they're not trying to act more like the Nazis from MSI.

That's very good advice.

As Brother @J.Dre mentioned, it is mostly a poor value to pay more. Additionally, unless something has changed Dell/Alienware use proprietary firmware on their SSDs and HDDs. What that means is if the ODM releases retail firmware updates to fix issues you won't get those issues and bugs addressed unless Dell/Alienware release their version of the update. In the past this has been a problematic issue on SSDs with proprietary Dell/Alienware firmware. They cannot be flashed with the retail firmware.

 

As above, depends on whether you're happy to game at 60fps. For most people I think it's fine; we've mostly been using 60Hz monitors for years, so it's not like the lack of 120Hz is that significant. Personally I'm waiting for the 120Hz panel though.

It'll be TN.

IPS is no guarantee of color accuracy, nor is it true that IPS is always better than TN (for example the MSI's 17" 1080p 120Hz screen is better than most 1080p IPS screens). For the Alienware, it's been quoted that the 4K 17" panel is 100% NTSC, while all others are 72%. Not sure if that's reliable; we'll have to wait for reviews to confirm.

 

You find what ssd used in the thread Normally use OEM's cheapest possible ram sticks. Why should they offer more expensive quality ram?

 

Have we actually had confirmation that Dell are using the 600P? Apparently in the Chinese video (where the 600P was seen) that wasn't the disk that came with it.

 

Judging by the video is seems like its no name ram, so the SSD is probably the same deal. I posted earlier about the same question because it seems like its worth it 100% to just order it with 8GB and the standard 1TB HDD. The 16gb ram they want +150 extra for is sold for $70 on amazon and is a named brand. So there $80 saved right there. The SSDs are pretty much a rip off too. I was looking at the 512GB one and there asking $300 extra for. The samsung 850 ssd (which is alot cheaper than the 950) is $168 on amazon too so thats another $130 saving. So your looking at $200 all together saved it you just bought it yourself and did 20 minutes of work. For the same price alienware is charging you for 16GB+512GB SDD, you could get 32GB of top of the line RAM along with a the second fastest 1TB ssd instead of no named stuff.

 

You got it. Always better to get the lowest spec memory and drives and buy your own as an aftermarket upgrade. This has been true for as long as I can remember. The memory that shipped in my last 3 Dell/Alienware systems was also write protected, so I could not even tweak anything with Thaiphoon Burner... total ripoff from my perspective to pay extra for that.

 

Nope, not confirmed. Honestly, I'd be surprised if they used Intel SSD's. The 600P series isn't bad, but it's still not worth the $150 when you can put that toward a 950 PRO.

Even someone without any knowledge of how to build or upgrade computers can simply pop the bottom cover off and upgrade the SSD (I hope). Not sure how the new laptops are laid out.

 

They have used 950 Pros before (at least from Dell Australia). Personally I'm able to claim the laptop on tax, however I'm not able to claim components I purchase separately, so there's actually a saving if I purchase the SSD option. I'll be curious to see what brand/model they actually use.

 

They've haven't offered consumer SSD's in the U.S. since 2011-2012. I believe the 830 series from Samsung was the last time.

Not sure about other parts of the world. If you can buy them, great.

 

Thx for the info. Is it possible to do a price match?

 

Yes, Dell does price matching.