New Alienwares 2016

Honestly, there are almost no good choices that remain in high performance notebooks anywhere at this time. The vast majority of the stuff is BGA filth, and some of it that is not suffers from a chassis that is too compact to do a nice job of cooling. I can count on two fingers what I would even remotely consider buying and even then that comes with some reservations because of extremely undesirable behavior on the part of all ODM/OEM options. We're living in some pretty sad times for laptops. It will be interesting to see how some of the thin and light stuff deals with Pascal. Gimping performance is never a good thing, but it may be unavoidable, especially with 1080, to keep them from burning up.

 

QHD Confirmed to have 120hz and Gsync (first time any laptop maker has stated all 3: QHD, 120hz, and Gsync)

( SOURCE) - Click on LCD Technologies > Gsync

 

Yeah http://www.notebookcheck.net/Euroco...-Sky-X7E2-X9E2-gaming-notebooks.175094.0.html

 

That is not accurate. Another example of false advertising, or just legends in their own minds? They are not the first. Maybe they really meant to say it was a first for them? Here's just one... http://www.hidevolution.com/evoc-p870dm3-dual-gtx-1080.html and there are others.

Edit: didn't see @Papusan caught the fib already

 

And that would be??

 

@matt-helm it is time to try something else
iLok sold the 17R3, now he's rocking 6700k 1080 in the BatMobile, 775DM3

Good price, it's a beast. Aliens? No 1080 til November, I doubt it's a chip supply issue since they're 1st in line from NVidia 'always'; it's probably heat issues that needed a few more months to be addressed in that slimmer chassis *shrug* Join iLok in the BatCave, to walk you through what it takes to get one, & maintain one, inform yourself of your options. SkyLake to KabyLake drop in, MXM Grfx, no soldered junk, no Jailienware, just Freedom

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Spoiler: Raiden of the Lost Ark

 

A P870DM3 or P775DM3, but only if purchased from a @Prema parter so it can have a cancer-free BIOS. Otherwise, I would not buy or recommend anything except a Chromebook, maybe a $800 Inspiron gaming turdbook at the most, along with a nice beast desktop.

 

To much Fox. $ 3-400 USD is probably more correct. I wouldnt pay more!! Or perhaps... I can stretch to up to $ 475 usd on a very very good day

 

I'm considering that some people want to play games on a laptop and are barely able to afford to buy groceries. That's why I said "maybe" and "at most" for those folks. It won't be very good, but they can at least use it to take notes in class and still afford to buy top ramen noodles and hot dogs.

 

Why do u even visit this sub forum anyway? It is so ****ing anoying to read all the same ******** from you two all the Time.... We get it.. U dont like bga Notebooks. Thats Fine for u but the rest of us are ok with it and we want to talk about the new aliens that are about to come.... Pls go troll somewhere else...

I am always ashamed if i read ur posts... I always think there are some nerd guys with no friends and all they gonna do is think about what they could write about bga books.
Dont u have a life with more interessting stuff to do?

 

Freedom until they change the mxm specs again. Anyway, i will go thin and use a external graphics box instead.

 

If they wait until after New Year... Kaby lake will come out and with a better iGPU. More than enough for gaming, web, email and schoolwork. Then use a decent desktop for more serious gaming when they return home This is a good option for me.

 

Simple. Because we care enough to not just walk away and let people make tragic mistakes. We are Good Samaritans. I am sincere in saying that whether you believe it or not.

If you don't like it, use the ignore feature like I do. Every page in every Alienware sub-forum has a link in the lower right corner to "show ignored content" because I use that feature. Feel free to follow my lead if it really bothers you. It is an effective tool, so might as well use it. Our posts will be visible to those looking for guidance from the gurus and that's all that matters.

If you don't get out much into the rest of the forum, you probably haven't noticed that I post very little in the Alienware sub-forums compared to other places.

 

Personally speaking, I'd rather not use the "Ignore" feature (never been a fan of it unless in special cases). Somebody has something to say, and even if it's disagreeable, that doesn't mean I should ignore the person entirely. I can read past it, but reading multiple sides of one topic or story is good. Or if you ignore someone but they post new information, then maybe you feel left out until someone you don't ignore mentions it.

 

I don't like using it either, but I find it easier to behave myself and avoid getting my hands dirty if I forget that a very small but selective list of folks exist.

 

Regardless, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. That said, I respect yours and @Papusan for disliking BGA systems. Everyone has their own needs/requirements and you two are simply passionate. Haha.

Just my own observation!

 

Thank you. I respect your opinion as well. + Rep In fact, I respect all opinions even when I don't agree with them. It's the whining about hearing the opinions of others and temper tantrums that are hard to respect, and those cry-babies are the ones on my ignore list.

 

The hypocrisy...

The only users that are taking temper tantrums or are cry babies are the naysayers that have repeatedly said how much they dislike the new Alienwares...

They're the ones with the defamatory signatures crying out for attention...

Says it all really.

 

I am probably on your ignore list. But for the rest of the world to see. My beef with some of your posts are the sheer insults aimed at the choices of others and the lack of ability to imagine another person his or her viewpoint.

 

I do not use the ignore function. I talk about what I like of hardware vs what I don't like. Info out to the people is most important!! If others like or don't like what I write about (tech), is up to them. But do not let it get personal. Censorship belong to the past and not in 2016. There is a difference in case vs person.

 

I'd like a 6700k, 1080, 1440p (400nit) in something reasonably durable.


I feel like i'm taking crazy pill when I come here for advice...

Thank you all for your suggestions.

 

I agree to this. But some users did insult others intended or not unfortunately.

Passion for technology is something we all share though.

 

Any news on its availability on HIDEVOLUTION?

Built quality looks like very good !
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Just turn off the sound hehehe, it's not in English.

 

+rep. Hardware discussion should be. And are fun!

 

Indeed, along with over clocking and pushing things to the edge just shy of no point of return.

Ordinary < Being ExtraOrdinary

Haha...technology is a blast.

::iunlock::

 

I see you have a new machine. What are your future plans with it?

 

If you as I prefer 6700K, who is socket hardware... Clevo is the only choice for you. + one of the barbones from MSI. All other brands laptop models use BGA

 

I'm toying with the idea of grabbing a Sager.. They seem to have the 17'' 1440P 400 nit screens available 10/14

 

That MSI laptop is quite the mystery. Makes me wonder how much OEMs have toyed and played around with LGA CPUs in their laptops.

 

I would purchase from an @Prema partner shop. Only they have excess to his unlocked Firmvare!!

Edit. @Game7a1 As long OEM's play with thinner and thinner laptop models, they can't touch LGA cpu's. And yes. The MSi model is a mystery. But I can't imagine this model is a power house. All to flimsy cpu heatsink.
The new Acer monster could have socket hardware. But no... They even varning against a decent overclock. The engineers even varning that their Acer machine can go into flames with heavy overclocking, LOL

 

I totally agree with this. If I could not have the @Prema BIOS then I would not be buying anything. Stock BIOS on notebooks suck bad enough that I wouldn't want anything. And, those goes beyond overclocking. There are too many important settings that I want access to that are hidden and inaccessible in the stock BIOS. Things like CSM, ASPM, TPM, SATA ports and TB3 controls, power management, etc. None of that stuff should be under the exclusive command and control of the OEM Nazis, and every one of them are stinking control freaks.

Not nearly as much as they should be. Almost all of them are short-sighted yes men that are going to fall in line with whatever Intel, Micro$haft and NVIDIA want them to do. Their willingness to stick to status quo is what created this mess we all have to deal with. Too many are robots like Azor that have convinced themselves it cannot or should not be done because they tried it 8 years ago and didn't like how it turned out. Now, there's some innovation for you! We need more people in positions of power to be disruptive to status quo and stop shoving toys and gimmicks in our faces.

 

I really think it has to do with the demand for it from the consumers.

The PC market is a tough market nowadays. For example it is rumored that it isnt going well with MSI according to Taiwanese economists for example.

 

If several OEM's could offer only one flagship, I mean they shouldn't have problems to get rid of them. MSI's big BGABOOK isn't a flagship. Only a bigger BGA machine as all other of their models. Nothing special with that model. They need to think elsewhere. Flagship will always be a window of the company.
See Acer. They tried to make a flagship, but as all know they failed. The main reason with that monster was to show something special. A show of!!

 

Maybe somewhat, but I think they may be selling themselves short with the Procrustean one-size-fits-all approach. Those that are offering the potent machines with desktop CPUs and MXM cards have been selling them out and having to wait for new stock to arrive. I tend to think that "if we build it they will come" applies and that was always the case for Alienware. I don't believe the market or demand changed as much as Alienware's agenda changed.

What strikes me as weird, and I am not intending for this to be insulting or derogatory... just an observation... is that the people who complained the most in the past that they wanted more thin and light notebooks options--now that the market is totally over-saturated with that option, almost to the exclusion of everything else--now act as if nothing else matters, as if everyone should happily jump on their bandwagon and be willing to make the same compromises it took for them to get what they wanted. That's how it seems from my perspective.

As far as MSI is concerned, I think it is predictable things are not going well. They offer psuedo-beast machines that are shackled by weak CPUs that cannot deliver the level of performance Clevo does because they have castrated what should be a really competent monsterbook. On top of that, changing MXM form factors that prevent the owners of their existing machines from upgrading. Then they also did some really retarded things with power management that further crippled the performance of their machines. MSI created the perfect storm for themselves by doing stupid stuff. Anyone that isn't really pissed by all of those things is kind of a wuss from my perspective. MSI should have been smart enough to know better. They deserve to be struggling. Hopefully, they will get their act together and start doing things right. And, I'm talking about their big notebooks, not their thin and light options.

 

I actually saw that Acer 21inch laptop 2 weeks ago at IFA2016 in Berlin. That machine is huge and 8 kilos heavy. For lan party enthusiasts maybe nice. But everything felt off. The screen had a lot of backlight bleed. The keyboard had a weird position and was too high so it needed an extra palm rest etc. Terrible terrible design. I hate it when a laptop is only focused on specs but the experience of using it. For me ergonomics are very important (because I use my laptop 5 days a week from 10:00 till 18:00 and often gaming away from home after it).

I am all for options for everyone. But in these days and age everything is also a risk for these companies. In the past I always awed at Alienware laptops. I loved the M15X and M17X design. The metal chassis, the glass in front of the TFT panels etc. But for my situation they where always too large (student) and too expensive compared to the performance of my desktop so I never bought them. So indeed for me they went on a route that fit my lifestyle. I am actually never traveling by car. Always on a bicycle/train/metro there isnt anyone more urban lifestyled than me. If they could marry those 2 concepts I would buy it ofcourse. But I hate how they constantly change up the specifications. You buy a machine with the prospective that it can be upgraded. But in the end they still shaft you and change the specifications and I think that is why many dont want to risk it. Because you give something else up for those machines. The good thing they could at least bring the prices down. If there is enough demand I simply dont know. I dont want to think that all those brands are ignorant to the demand.

 

don't forget the window 10 home instead of pro lol

 

Sigh.

Another huge thread of crap - is there anywhere people who are excited by a product can go?

A 13in laptop with an OLED screen and an external card adapter doesnt seem to exist elsewhere, so for the meantime I am stuck with Alienware.

Now that I've established that, can we move past the laptop dick measuring competition and talk about these products?

 

So Samsung just announced their next generation of SSDs; I'm curious if they'll be in the new Alienwares.

Praying the 120hz 15" display is available day 1, as the configurator thing didn't have it as an option when it leaked.

 

Here here. Gsync with a nice 1070 in my bag would be a hell of a portable option.

I kind of have the feeling we wont see the advanced displays until november though.

 

You are free to talk about that, sure. Not a problem. Or, if you want to start a 2016 Alienware 13 Discussion thread in the Alienware BGA sub-forum that would be fine as well. This is in the main forum and relates to all Alienware products. Those get measured against competing products whether everyone wants them to or not.

Probably need a dedicated thread in the BGA sub-forum if you want it to revolve around one narrow topic exclusively. 2015+ Alienware 13 / 15 / 17

Edit: Hey bro... just found this for you in case it helps:

[Alienware Refresh] Initial thoughts and impressions? Hit or a Miss?

 

Similar over-priced OEM versions from Samsung, but not retail models

 

You clearly have a much larger investment and the forum, and I mean no disrespect.

The issue is how disheartening it becomes sometimes with this general forum. I really shouldnt be forced into creating a sub-topic or sorting through pages of arguing.

I am all for competition - but this isnt "x suits you better". It's the same anti-alienware rhetoric, which you are welcome to have, but maybe that should be made into your own thread so people who have issues or concerned about it can go to one thread to review all the grievances.

That seems far more focused and logical than sporadically having them in every alienware thread. Everyone can complain and high five each other, while the excited consumers can do the same thing.

 

Maybe better to warn in advance than to rescue afterwards?

 

This thread is in the main product forum. If you want to single out discussions around the model you like most, a dedicated thread would be really helpful to you and others. You're exaggerating by saying it is in every thread. I can only speak for myself, but I intentionally do not go into the threads in the BGA sub-forum as a matter of courtesy because I don't want my views and opinions to bother people that cannot appreciate them.

I just found this for you in the BGA sub-forum case it helps. It's not dedicated to Alienware 13 discussions:

[Alienware Refresh] Initial thoughts and impressions? Hit or a Miss?

As long as people continue creating open-ended or broad topic threads in the main forum that are not model specific discussions there will be some degree of disorganization to the posts that are in them.

 

Oh absolutely - I agree. I had an awful time with dell/alienware in the past - people should be warned.

I just think it could be more focused than derailing every thread with traction in the alienware forums.

Make a grievance or warning thread about dell - anyone curious can go to one place and read through to their hearts content.

 

Thank you for taking the time to link, it is appreciated.

 

What do you mean? I'm talking about these:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10698/samsung-announces-960-pro-and-960-evo-m2-pcie-ssds

 

Probably SM951 - PM951 NVMe for OEM's. But not 960 Pro / Evo. Have you seen Dell offer the older 950 Pro? I don't think so!!

 

Dell used to always use proprietary SSD firmware, which was not a good thing. If they are still doing that it would be a better idea to get lowest available price offering on drives and install aftermarket. In addition to being more cost effective, you would not be in the scary and unpredictable spot of relying on Dell for SSD firmware updates. That has never turned out well in the past.

 

Granted, Aliewnare did ship with the 1st 1 TB PCIe M.2 at only $50 more than their 512 GB M.2 option. Even if it was OEM, it was a good deal (mainly for the resell value).