*OFFICIAL* M11x Owners Lounge - Part 3

Have you guys even considered Windows is throttling the processor?
Can an m11x owner go into power options and under the Processor power management, set the Minimum processor state to 100%. That will debunk the 1.6ghz issue with CPUZ.

 

no, most people thought that 1.3ghz was actually pretty bad as a processor. but then we learned that it could be overclocked to 1.73 with minimal temp increase, as the su7300 is underclocked out of the factory anyway, so that became the base line for a lot of people. but seems like all of a sudden people have had a change of heart recently...

 

is the 1 year premiere service a type of international warranty cover? or it just covers your own country?
let's say i ordered my m11x in Malaysia.
6 months later i brought it to the states. then something happens to my m11x. can i send my m11x to local dell (in the states) under warranty?

 

So you are going to fret over maybe 3-5secs or fps of difference? Its not THAT big of a deal guys. You are letting your emotions cloud your judgement.

If I was to get a different laptop however, Id get the xps studio 1647 (they fixed the throttling issue) and it has a 4670 ATI 1GB graphics card. The system is nice. I am referring to the i5, NOT THE i7 which is a disaster.

 

Nope, I was planning to sell it on Ebay anyway and getting a Sony Z but I am just afraid to take a chance at selling it now and losing money so better safe than sorry would rather cancel it at this point.

 

Why not keep it?

 

I was already on board with the 1.3Ghz processor BEFORE the HH review. On top of that, the BIOS OC option was simply a bonus to me. Don't most people just OC via software in windows anyway? I was thinking that would be the case here, but Dell just made it easier by having it enabled in bios and then I don't have to think about it after enabling it. You want Dell to "fix" this issue? Sure have them remove the OC option in the next Bios update and then go find software somewhere to OC it yourself, jeez you guys are babies. Duffyanneal makes a great point about removing the option from Bios, and this would be fair b/c it's not like it wasn't "as advertised" b/c as it's been pointed out, it never was!! I suggest those of you who are upset that it is not OC'ing to 1.73Ghz, understand you were suckered in by the COMMUNITY, not Dell/AW.

@abusedbunner - when did we ever "learn" it could go to 1.73Ghz? It was an assumption by MANY people wasn't it? I don't remember seeing anything other than the 1.6Ghz in the HH review. People just made the calculations and thought maybe the production models would go to 1.73Ghz like the Asus laptops. So suddenly to you a "bad processor" becomes a good processor because it is allowed to OC via bios? You got what you paid for, either processor option - like I've said, try to go OC via other methods if you want something different, or else should have gone a different route in the first place.

For me, I'll be happy OC'ing via Bios. If I want even more power, I'll look into software methods that are most common for people that OC in Windows, simple as that. I'm just happy Dell made it easier for me to OC.

 

I want something more powerful su7300 is being phased out everything is going to i5/i7. Probably never should have ordered it in first place but I get caught up in the hype LOL

 

@craig = Just give dell a ring. I bought my studio 15 in malaysia and went to Australia to study. DVD drive failed. I called them up and the said "Alrite mate, we'll send a tech over tomorrow". Its on-site repair so the techs come to you.

@azn = compelling argument. Well put.

 

I dont think the i5/i7 processors will be available in these "netbook" size computers IMHO. You will NEVER be able to be on the top of technology. New stuff comes out daily that will replace old. That is how it is. Next year at this time , the i5s and i7s may even be obsolete.

 

@craig = there will be iX processors in the newer revisions (sometime aug/oct said an insider ) but they will be the ULV variants which are... UberNerfed.

 

@aznguy
many dell reps stated that the m11x would oc to 1.73, and that 1.6 was the limit for review models.
and no, a "bad" processor becomes a "good" processor when it is able to increase its performance by 30% with no drawbacks

 

Guys, c'mon. Seriously, the CPU whether it's 1.6 or 1.73 is not that big a deal. I can't believe thats enough to make people want to return the laptop without even testing it. Afterall it's only 130 MHz. Going from 1.3 to 1.6 won't make much differance unless your benchmarking. You may get 1 FPS. 1 lousy frame in gaming. No one has even taken it apart yet to check the PLL to see if it can be OCed via SetFSB. But to each his own, but I always stated if you need power, you shouldn't be looking at the M11X. Sure it's an alienware, but alienware is expanding it's market for more profit. Not everything is about power. It's about appeal. Either way I'm still excited for mine.

 

dell reps...

 

HH said the same thing as it was a status indicator although the option was in BIOS. I am unsure if the Bios option is the only place it allows to turn off battery and the Fn+F2 is simple a status or if it can actually enable/disable on the fly rather than having to use Bios everytime. Confirmation would be great.

 

In all honesty..the m11x just looks flat out cool. I love the design, the custom color lights, the ability to play the top current games at a smooth rate from in med-high settings. If this game will get me around 30fps on MW2 with only 1.3Ghz then thats great for me! Also, I will mostly be doing powerpoint, word processing, and WoW (im a college student)...so I need something small and portable.

Like I said..all the bigger models with i5s and i7s are having throttling issues (the xps studio, m15and17x, hp envy, and many more). Im not ready to jump on the icore series bandwagon just yet. The C2D processors are just fine and do a great job providing intense gaming at an affordable price.

Now, if the 1647 studio xps was sold to me at the same price as this m11x and it was proven to not throttle...I would be on its thread pushing the product

 

@ Dan = well said. I still think my Awesome is awesome

 

They are available, like I said i'm going to get a Sony Z same size, weighs much less 13" screen, i7, 330m etc, but let's not discuss that here please, always causes problems

You can ask me over here if you want to talk about it : http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=447505&page=250

Thanks

 

Nuke, I couldn't agree more

 

DR650SE is a smart man, that avatar alone proves it lol.

 

There is a manual option to disable charging and stuff for dell laptops in windows by using Quickset (a utility program that binds to the Fn keys) but I don't know if it applies to its AW range...

 

Could someone explain me this problem? Some of you have 1.7 clock speed and some 1.6? And thats the problem, thats all? Or you all have maximum 1.6 but want 1.7?

 

Also, we have only had maybe 3 or 4 people provide tests. I have yet to see a list of benchmarks other than Cot's unofficial figures on the benchmark thread. How about we wait for the benchmark data and see how powerful this laptop really is before we jump ship?

The m11x still may kick *** gaming wise even with a little 1.3Ghz processor

 

@vorob
the problem is that dell undervolted and reduced the multiplier of an already weak processor for no reason, further restraining an already bottlenecked gpu.
i can see why you guys dont care that much, im not returning mine at all. it gets here wednesday and im gonna play with it and enjoy it, im just not a man of compromises thats all, especially when theres no reason behind it.

 

@Dan = is your rep calling you up and telling you about shortages? Rofl.

@vorob = The prob is that some people heard about the Oc-ing and took it for granted as a stock spec/feature when it wasn't advertised at all. There was a forumer who got a faulty unit which dies everytime it OCs to 1.73 with the GT335 activated so now everyone's going ballistic.

 

which reps? Darkhan? I don't believe he's a rep, simply a kind enough guy to let us in on "insider info".

So you must mean the same reps that said SU4100 could not be OC'd? The same reps that said Bluetooth would be included when it wasn't shown on the website? Or maybe the other ones that say OC'ing via Bios will void your warranty while others said it won't. My point is, it is YOUR (not just you, but the people complaining) fault that you bought into what was all speculation before it was really proven when someone had it in their hands. I believed HH but if it turned out it couldn't even OC to 1.6Ghz I only have myself to blame since we all knew even that one was a pre-production model.

As for making it a good processor. I suggest using software to OC it when/if it becomes available. I don't see what's stopping it as I've done this method before on my Macbook via bootcamp.

 

How does making a 1.3 CPU run at 1.6 further restraining an already bottlenecked GPU? How do you even know the GPU is bottlenecked?

Have you done any extensive testing/benchmarking on a unit?

 

I dont remember who exactly but it was from multiple sources, and the numbers added up as well so there would be no reason not to believe it.
and the statement about speculation could be said for anything, you cant be sure of any aspect until the machine is your hands.
i am only concerned with dells reasoning behind the undervolting/undermultiplying business. im not over reacting and returning it or anything like that, far from it.

edit: @rhodan
looking at the spec sheets alone is enough to see its bottlenecked, the cpu is the driving power behind the gpu. but ultimately it depends on the game, theres plenty that take advantage of the gpus horsepower alone so many times this wont be a problem.

 

It might be fixed after a BIOS rev anyway... Lol.

 

And it's the fact an AW rep came on here and confirmed it at 1.73 GHZ, which was obviously untrue. It's not all about the speed, it's about principle. Why nerf something for no reason? You can't tell me it's a heat issue, that's just unbelievable. The SU7300 is one of the lowest thermal drawing processors on the market, and AW knows how to cool a computer.

It's just Dell being Dell.

"Lets design a good looking laptop, with netbook specs, and sell it for over 2 grand!"

Boom, Dell Adamo.

"Lets make a sick looking netbook with a powerful GPU, and lets take an easily overclockable processor and limit it!"

Boom, m11x.

I'm sorry if I got out of line. I have a bad temper (irl also). I just cannot stand the way companies operate and the way they make decisions without ever explaining compromises to the consumer, or even initiating some kind of apology or admittance of guilt like in the case of the FUBAR'd m17x R2.

"Hey guys, yeah we ed up. We're sorry, probably should've tested it more. But we'll get a fix out as soon as possible."

Oh wait, Nagshead did that for the m17x R2, but then you get tech support on the phone and they make it out like you're just "unhappy" with the system, trying to charge you a restocking fee, when you want to return it. Like they don't know there's a problem.

I just hate that bull man, I've laid out a lot of money this year on computers, and I can't exactly say it's been worth it. Like I said, I've held onto the AW brand because of memories of past brilliance, but they feel like a different company now.

All I've been lately is frustrated with them, their actions, and their product. I was one of the first to get the R2 here, and honestly all that thing did was give me a ing headache to the point where I couldn't even look at it.

Anyway, sorry for the outburst (again), really good luck to you guys. Enjoy it if it makes you happy. But like Bluehaze, I see a better value in the Z. So I'm going to go that route.

 

very true at first i was really happy with 1.6 just a nice bonus and than i heard 1.73 and i was on that boat, and now that i hear only 1.6 i was dissapointed at first, its just human nature guys but hey atleast it overclocks to 1.6

 

@abusedbunny - okay I can agree with you there - about the reasoning behind undervolting/undermultiplying as I do not know why that is the case either. Luckily it's not a concern to me, I think even getting up to 1.6Ghz just via an simple on/off option in Bios is awesome. I hated messing with software that I would have to load profiles everytime I wanted OC power.

 

Yeah after breaking it down, applying MX-3, and checking on the PLL, I'm gonna check temps and try SetFSB to go a bit higher. Seeing how much the system can handle. Temps will be my #1 concern, benches are second.

 

For those who have this laptop, could you please check if it runs youtube videos at 1080p without any problems?

Also could you check it runs 1080p mkv files?

 

Pretty sure the 11X is only 720P so I would doubt that it can run 1080

 

unless it was via HDMI out to a 1080p HDTV or something. Although HH did a test on this, just needed help from another program to put the load on the GPU..

 

I think the 720P is to do with the screen of the 11X, surely not what it can run?

My XPSM1330 can run 1080P on my Bravia 46X2000.

 

720p runs fine

I haven't bothered with 1080p, and unfortunately my only 1080p capable monitor in the house right now is my Dell 30" 3007WFP-HC, which doesn't support anything besides 2560 x 1600 (meaning I need dual link + adapters) or 1280 x 800.

And seriously, the "controversy" over this CPU is so mind-numbingly annoying at this point.

First of all, had Darkhan not leaked the information (which we should be grateful for, though none of this would've happened anyways if he hadn't leaked it), we would have went into BIOS today, saw the OC feature, and said... "Holy crap! Awesome!!"

So take it from the glass half-full perspective: it's an added bonus that was never advertised, and we full well knew it's base specs before ordering.

edit: I set a YouTube video to 1080p (though obviously you can't max it fully on the screen) but it mostly ran fine. I haven't installed Flash 10.1 beta yet though, since that supposedly offloads it to the GPU completely, in which case this is irrelevant

 

You should still be able to run 1080P videos on youtube without having to hook up to a 1080P display?

 

The output is also only 720p I think.

But those that say Dell undervolted and reduced multipliers on the CPU for no reason need to remember that one of the main goals of the M11X was battery life. That was one of the main marketing point of this laptop. Thats why the went with the so called "weak processor" Please keep that in mind.

@nuke, my rep hasn't said much, although I am waiting for the refund for the R1 I returned, that should come in the next two weeks. Just in time for an M17X R2 with 5870's. I'll get the refund about the same time as CeBIT.

 

@chewie = Any benches yet? Would be nice to have numbers to distract us from yacking at each other over the processor again.

@Dan = Darnit why didn't we see that one coming. Bet the soft touch covers are going to be announced there... Crud. And the m17x is a sweeet rig, but its waaay to expensive for me. Lucky you.

 

I'm not sure if this has been covered yet - but can the GT335m overclock a wee bit as well ? cue Rivatuner ?

 

Yea, I couldn't see spending as much as I did with the R1, only to have a better version announced a week or two after recieving mine, for roughly the same price. I bet the soft touch will look sweet too. But this way the M11X will better match my M17X.

@TheWusman, You can probably do it through Nvidia System Tools as well. I'd have done it already, but I'm still playing the waiting game

 

Never heard about 1.7 overclock of this lappy, according to this review its maximum 1.6
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews.php?reviewid=924&pageid=18

So i see no problem, except this poor dude with bsod laptop.

May be dell downclock this proc because they were afraid of overheat? Or may be to push big announcement that it would work for 8 hours?

 

i'd be happy if it worked for 4 hours. :T tbo.. and the OC is just a luxury..especially coming from a netbook with an ION .. 200$ is way worth the upgrade for me gaming is just the best luxury!

 

@Dan = Youch talk about bad timing. Happened to me with my Studio 15. Bought mine then the following month they refreshed the graphics cards from the HD3k series to the HD4k series...

 

are you having oc'ing issues aswell ?

 

Hey chewie, tried using software OC-ing? Would probably show if its a implementation problem (a bug in the software) or a hardware issue.

 

the more i do research, the more i think its a bug in cpuz and were rambling about nothing

 

ROFL, bunny. You might be right and we might have just served to be nothing more than a sitcom for Dell's own engies.