Performance Kaby Lake Alienware Release Speculation

This thread is to discuss possible release time tables for Kaby Lake cpus in the new Alienware laptops.

Currently the most up to date road map appears to be the following:


Here we see the KBL-H 4+2 (this is the 45W version) reaching RTS before the end of the year. The question is how long after RTS do we expect Alienware to put Kaby Lake to market in their new laptops.

Currently, you can not even buy a gsync screen with the HK series chip and by Alienware limiting buys to only the 4k screen it would appear that Alienware has very limited stock of current HK parts as it does not want to be left out in the cold when the new chips launch. It also could be trying to push off access HQ inventories in preparation for the Kaby Lake release.

If they are running a lean cpu inventory at least for the HK this could be a a good sign of a release possible in the first week of Jan 2018. An indication of this strategy would be to open up HK buys to a wider range of systems by December in order to empty the rest of the inventory before Kaby Lake launch. The other good news in this would be that the HK series would be the first Kaby Lake parts to hit Alienware laptops.

We can also see from this road map that we should not expect 18W Kaby Lake for the Alienware 13 until mid summer 2018.

 

Kaby Lake ULV is already available and selling. Cannonlake won't be available until Fall 2017.

The AW13 will have the 6300HQ and 7200U, 7500U. According to Twitter, anyway.

 

Not for a while, After Christmas, early spring...... Not that it matters at all. Kaby Lake is no different from current chips; Intel is only increasing stock clocks slightly and making thermal promises they most likely can't keep.

The only thing interesting is the 18W quad core processors. Which may never be seen in the AW 13 until the next revision late summer 2017

 

Hey where'd you see this?

 

Kaby lake means:
- better 14nm+ process
- better SpeedShift tech
- native usb 3.1 support
- more pcie lines
- Optane support

Overall KBL is best and mature cpu you would able to buy in 2017 and next 3 year (till 10nm optimization cadence)

 

Also Kaby lake means:
- BGA
- BGA
- BGA
- BGA
- BGA

 

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/540/662/748.gif

 

Not the 6700hq even?

 

quote disappointing really. it will etiher be quite cheaper for it or badly overpriced upgrade for what it is, even more so than an normal upgrade would to a 6700hq. prob the same price difference as a 6820hk would cost just because its a quad upgrade from last gen. hoping cos its an i5 it will keep the cost down ALOT though

 

According to this tweet, the 13 R3 will have an i7-HQ processor.
As for ULV, we don't know.

 

is this real? unless you have some inside info, this is contrary to what's been leaked so far

 

i cant see why this info would be wrong. but i also read there will be i7 quad aswell.

 

It is very unlikely they will offer the same CPU and GPU combination in both the AW 13 and 15. I've never seen Alienware do so. If they do this, it will result in what we refer to as product cannibalization.

I know for a fact that they will have the dual-core CPU's (7200U and 7500U). But don't worry. A fellow member ran a 6500U with a Titan X (Pascal) and experienced minimal bottleneck in most games, as they rely mostly on single-core performance. And that's much more powerful than a 1060.

That said, I hate dual-core CPU's for gaming. The moments in which you benefit greatly from quad-core may be scarce, but are such crucial and impactful moments. Let's hope they offer the 6300HQ (at the very least) until the Kaby Lake version is released.

I'm only considering the AW13 because I need a portable solution with a dGPU. Zenbooks simply don't cut it.

 

I'm quite certain there's going to be a quad core option. I agree it would cannibalise. But the 15 has its own advantages such as 4K and 1070 and 6820HK. So even if the 13 got 6700hq that's not so bad. If the machine was spec for spec identical. Then I think that would ring completely true that it would kill the 15 sales.


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Its also been stated as fact by Dell that they will have a quad core H series cpu

 

Yyyy mate, Witcher 3 is eating my 2920XM on 4.0 GHz up to 100% each core...

 

Which is why I used "most." I'm on your side. Quad-core for life.

 

Games from 2015 era up to today are just eating even most powerful cpus becuase of crappy console ports. Maybe with old games you won't notice that but today's games are gonna crush this cpu, massive bottleneck in everything except LoL, CSGO.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...eck-with-titan-xp.794641/page-3#post-10309946

Of course, those aren't gaming results.

 

Those are 3dmarks results, this program is designed to use GPU power, not cpu.

 

everything you say makes business sense. i'm just banking on the fact that umar said there would be a quad-core i7 option on the new aw13...please alienware! for the love of god, make it happen!

 

Already confirmed an their PR site:

https://www.alienwarearena.com/products/new-alienware-13

 

I up'd this on another thread. But it's still not clear if it's i7 quad because they do the i5 quad in the AW15. If the have i5 quad in the AW17 then it makes their statement true that they have full quads as the 15 and 17, although the keyword is "full" quad which I'd regard as i7.
Not trying to say it's not. Just preparing for it not to happen so then can't be disappointed if there's non. Where as if there is. Then that's well better because they over achieved my expectations.


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If the 13 R3 comes with RAM higher than 2133 MHz, like the PR page says, then it does come with an i7-HQ as Alienware doesn't offer 2400+MHz with the i5-6300HQ.

 

Exactly this, with 2667 Ram, it has to offer an i7 HQ

 

That's true. I didn't pay attention to the ram part. But even still is 2400+ ram worth it over 2133?


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On the configurator, they have the same price.

 

What about after market? Say if the difference was £20 (roughly $30)


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Even after market 2133 MHz and 2400 MHz RAM are about the same price. Almost a couple dollar difference.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820233972
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820156120
And these aren't the only examples.

 

I would rather have DDR3L with lower latency at 2133MHz than DDR4 with higher latency at 2400MHz. DDR3 would win every time. The true benefit of DDR4 is not seen until you reach 3000MHz and beyond.

Then again, I would much rather have a quad-core than either of those. I'm fine with 2400MHz DDR4 and a 6700HQ or 7700H.

 

I assume its backward compatible? I have 16 GB of GsKILL 2133 c11 DDR3L laying around; could I just pop that in instead of DDR4?

 

I wouldn't assume anything with Alienware machines these days.

 

Hmmm. Whys that? Better temps maybe? Not sure at all. I know fast is usually better. And not all the time. But on this one Id like you to enlighten me, Thanks.

Are we only going to get a new AW13 page literally when it's ready to order and not the day before so we can mire it before we buy it?
I'm actually starting to get nervous that the AW13 won't be available in the uk like the USA. Prob have to wait a week or so like it was with the 15 and 17.


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Because I have 16 GB already (unopened from a raffle) and don't want to pay dell $100 for one 8 GB ram stick (upgrade from 8 GB to 16 GB)

The performance will be nearly identical so no reason for DDR3L vs DDR4 that

 

It's very likely that the 13 R3 will only support DDR4 (the slots aren't backwards compatible).

 

Well I got 16gb ram at 2133mhz I bought few months back for laptop I decided against and wait to get something else.

Very important question.
Is the 13 going to come with a RX 460 or RX 470. I'm sure it's 460. But they have 470 for the larger models and the thing is. It's the full blown desktop model and that's actually stronger than the 1060s in mobile, on top of that it has better dx12 performance. So it should make it a no brainer to select it.
I'm looking at the bigger alienwares and it's £100 cheaper than 1060 with it's better performance. So besides paying for nvidia. What else is in it that bumps £100 to upgrade for less performance?


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i wish someone with inside info could tell us what time the order page will go live for the aw13. don't wanna stay up to 12am monday night just for nothing

 

The performance of the GTX 1060 is actually better. AMD (desktop 470) scores higher in a handful of synthetic benchmarks, but the GTX 1060 (laptop) gets better game fps. I would assume the 470 (laptop) will perform slightly worse than the desktop version.


http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-RX-470.171188.0.html

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile...060-Laptop-Benchmarks-and-Specs.169547.0.html

 

Well they say it's full blown unlike nvidia. And not going off synthetic scores. But I watched gears of war 4 with a mobile 1060 on ultra get 74fps. The desktop 1060 got 82, the desktop with the same set up with a RX 470 had 78fps.
It is true that the mobile and desktop version in same games has about 10fps difference. And even if nvidia can beat amd in dx11im that game it's not likely it will in dx12. If your a 1yr laptop owner. That doesn't matter that much. You will have something new anyway. But for those that want 2-3 years. That should be a key thing as more dx12 games in where performance will be better on dx12 than dx11. You don't want to make a selection based off a popularity contest do we? Which would result in nvidia winning.


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It will be most likely the RX460, on the other hand they praise that all the new Alienware notebooks are VR capable and the 460 is not powerful enough for that. The RX 470 might be the better choice over long terms, IF they offer the 8 GB GDDR5 version like on the AW 17.

 

That's what I'm thinking. I'm a short term kinda guy....depending on if there is a next model with Volta but I can't imagine that AW13 has its first year of quad cpu and then drops the 13 altogether. That wouldn't make sense because their sales I can only imagine probably go up between 30-50% just because of the quad and 1060 with its form factor


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Yeah, i am still concerned about the temps / cooling solution though. Three flat heatpipes and 2 fans seems to be a little bit short for 45W TDP (CPU) and ~100W TDP (GPU), especially if the use Dell's cheap thermal compount. Maybe the RX460 would be not that bad after all in terms of temps. It is more important that the CPU does not throttle under heavy load, otherwise it would screw the whole concept with the additional AGA.

 

If they offer a 6700HQ (or equivalent CPU), it will cannibalize Alienware 15 sales (long-term). I'll be interested to see what they actually do.

That said, I want a quad-core. Dual-core CPU's with HT cause a nearly 50% decrease in performance in Battlefield 1 as opposed to a quad-core with HT.

 

It has to have i7 because there was a valid point made about the laptop being able to use memory speeds above 2400. The i5 6300 quad apparently only takes 2133. It was in the link i posted a few posts up in the memory section.


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that's torture guys, i live in France, they just released the 120Hz Gsync on the 15" 6700HQ, but i don't know if i should take it for 2 reasons :
- Is Kaby Lake Worth waiting until late december (almost 2 more months) ?
- Am i going to regret not taking 6820HK over 6700HQ, i mean, at best, with the OC'd 6820HK, all you'd get is a few more FPS on games like Witcher 3? Which would already get 60+ FPS (no hair works maybe) with 6700HQ & GTX1070 anyway right? Plus, 6820HK (especially OC'd) heats up more than the 6700HQ no?
What do you think guys? Thanks for helping, it's so tough to make a decision now..

 

Dunno. Don't want that many options that delays my purchase. It's already bad enough that kaby lake is coming and I have no idea how long it will take for a delivery either since I'll have to wait till Thursday when I can order it.
But should I choose to stick. I'll be ok with it since I'm keeping it short term. But if you want it long term you might wanna wait for new cpu. But then if you have it long term. Why wait. It be old anyway at that point.


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It looks like Kaby Lake is only 5% faster than skylake so I wouldn't be so excited.

 

Hum ok thanks, maybe i could skip Kaby Lake i guess, but what about this question? someone?

 

Dunno. Is the 6820 going to deliver that much more fps? Also with the heat. Will it throttle worse than a 6700? I dunno. I'm sure it might be discussed elsewhere. But the 6820 is mean for overclocking. So you don't wanna be worse off. The right notebook is fine. But I'd imagine it's prob too hot in the AW13 hence why it's not included. I think the best balance is the 6700. Sometimes faster isn't always better...


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BIOS is locked down so without power limit option you won't be able to overclock it as you think you could.