September possible new Alienware launch

Yup and same mobo's...it even has the markings near the screw hole on the bottom right of the mobo that says 15" and 17". You've probably seen it during your repaste. Everything else, screw location is the same with the exception of those two...it's just that in the 17" a screw goes in that slot, while the 15" remains empty and vice versa.

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And a subwoofer.

 

You're right. I almost over looked that. LOL

The R3 does actually have a good sound system. Pretty impressive.

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That would only be good if they fix the problems that ruined the previous 18 for performance enthusiasts... they crippled BIOS with Secure Flash cancer, hid most of the valuable menu options in the BIOS, and the power limit that was only adequate for one GPU in a dual-GPU configuration were very debilitating flaws. If they release it with the same defects, then it's just a very fancy piece of junk that cannot keep up with competing products. I don't know why anyone would want that.

Chances seem pretty grim that would ever happen. Look no further than the new Aurora R5 deskflop with it's severely gimped BIOS.

 

that uses an xps desktop motherboard lol...

 

They also integrated the LED controller board on the motherboard now, so upgrading to a real enthusiast motherboard means you lose AlienFX. Gimp-O-Rama!

Accident, stupid mistake, or done on purpose? You decide. Then vote with your wallet.

 

Ps. Aw17R3 vs P870 with 512 ssd/1TB Hdd, 16GB ram and 2 years warranty cost more. 27462 NOK vs 22495 NOK for P870. 6820/980m vs the much more powerful 6700K/980.
I talk about 17 inches laptop who can replace a desktop.
1€ = 9.4 NOK
And this is apple to apple comparison.

Ps Aw15R2 with exactly same setup costs 25962 NOK. Also this machine cost me more than P 870. All 3 machines with 2 year warranty. Of course Dell offer home next day, but still P870 will offer me a lot better user experience and Multicom have good service!! Aka best power for each dime!! A lot more

 

I forgot where I read this from but the 17 have a more efficient cooling due to the larger openings at the bottom and a slightly bigger heatsink

 

That would make sense with a larger chassis as well. It's very difficult to get effective cooling in a smaller form factor. The smaller you go the more challenging it becomes. That's why low TDP BGA is a good option for very small and lightweight notebooks. Even with the low TDP it's more challenging. But, the crippled TDP and BGA is just a lame cop-out on large notebooks.

 

The older Aurora and Area51 also block 3rd party motherboard from using the AlienFX daughtercard, as with the pre-Dell "Active" slot card.

@Cass-Olé has some workarounds for the old Aurora/Area51 but I don't think it's possible with the new machines.

 

Well that would explain why the bios seems empty on my 17R3 the first time I went into it. I've had experience with desktop BIOS and I'm expecting a similar setup. I don't plan to overlock my laptop but sucks for those who do and have more optimisation in mind

 

Really, I thought someone had a fix for that. @Cass-Olé is my guru on that stuff. I've never considered the notion of paying for a pre-built desktop... just not something I'm all that interested in because the value is not there and there is just too much proprietary crap to put up with. I'd rather spend the same amount or more for something better. But, I've always thought their desktop chassis were cool looking.

Oh well... at least with a discrete daughterboard for AlienFX is was a serviceable item and not a throw-away motherboard like the latest abortion.

 

Since we are at the topic of BGA and cooling now, I wonder why haven't laptop manufacturers especially those pushing out BGA and thin form factors to consider using vapour cooling? Several high end smartphones are using it (they market it as "water" cooling) and its because of being thin and the thermal from ARM processor over the years are getting out of hand as processing task for smartphones are getting greater. Is this viable for larger heat sinks such as those employed on laptops? IINM Asus pushed out something similar like few years ago (not the watercooling abomination they did recently)?

 

Every single Bios/Ec for Aw laptops was crippled maximal by Dell after the 2013 launch of DELLIENWARE's laptop models. Every single one!! This practice will never ever end!! And the Secure boot cancer cripple everything for hardcore power users!! And this will be even worse. Remember my words on this!!

 

The AW/Dell BIOS is the worst I've seen...just terrible. Sad...

That's actually my biggest complaint
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Maybe a few factors come into play. Perhaps lack of knowledge on the part of end users, along with a lack of demand for excellence, lack of ingenuity and cost of R&D. I mean, really... as long as people are gobbling up crap and spending money on what they already offer, why would they burn any calories or money doing something special or amazing? And, I'm not limiting this criticism to Alienware. All of them need to do better... even those that are the best leave something to be desired. And, the lackluster components for notebooks that are being churned out by Intel, NVIDIA and AMD just exacerbate things. That's one reason that Clevo using desktop components in notebooks is a welcomed concept to some of us. But, I want more from them, too. Status quo always sucks no matter where you look on the food chain.

 

I believe the ROG G752 and the Predator 17X (980DT) uses VC heatspreader.

Though not sure how well it works against a copper plate like the Clevo. P65xxx, P64xxx, P870DM and P7xxxM has a full copper plate soldered onto the heatpipe.


Improvements are probably there, we just don't know the temperature Delta between those two types of heatspreading method. Especially with the mount orientation being upside down.

 

How ironic as I was just talking about this over dinner the other night.

You're right and it could benefit.

Ex. Samsung Galaxy S7 and the new Note 7 feature this cooling system.

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Remarks my words. This will be much worse. Not better!! Soon will Dell use more locked Firmvare. You can't disable secure boot and you are totally screwed!! In the end you can't use either Throttlestop or XTU. You will have to use 1-2 or 3 screwed oc profiles in bios. Everything locked like a 79 years old virgin!! Dell have always screwed power settings in bios for all their laptop models. Take a look in the Throttlestop guid and you know what I mean!!

 

AMD seriously need to do much more. I wouldn't say they are done in the desktop gpu space yet, but for mobile gpu it's seriously a sad situation currently.

As for the situation with Alienware, I'm thinking they wanted to appeal more to the mainstream crowd now but the thing is it's still more expensive compared to the competition after all the cost cutting methods they employ. I bought a refurbished 17R3 for a really good price and that's the price I feel it should be priced at, not the retail price currently.

People always have the stigma that Alienwares are overpriced piece of crap and yeah, they really are now lol (unless you go refurbished)

I just checked and yes you are right the G752 employs this cooling method and it seems to be doing it's job well based on reviews. I feel more manufacturers should go for this method since it's not patented and it offers better cooling without sacrificing the form factor.

 

Alienware should be doing more stuff like some of the best Clevo resellers do. Here's a nice example of value-added services and customer-centric behavior from ObsidianPC. The laptop in the video is like the little 15-inch baby beast (El Cazador) in my signature.

 

Thank you sir!
We do our best, and we are very open to new ideas!

 

maybe it's time to stop delliding and put proper TIM under the heatspreader...

 

Where is the fun in that? Doing a delid is part of the joy of beast ownership and helps separate the men from the boys.

Alienware needs to provide a product that allows a person that wants a little 15-inch monster with a single GPU do stuff like this (see content in spoiler below)... Same basic notebook as the one in the video from @John@OBSIDIAN-PC a moment ago. If they would do that, I know it would make more than a few of their customers really happy.

Spoiler: El Cazador : 15-inch Baby Beast Rampage

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/9577601


http://www.3dmark.com/sd/4220429


http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11456045


http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/5491773

 

You need to tell that to Intel.
At first i was unsure if it would make a big difference, when i looked at the results it was like being hit with a dead cat in the head.
Sucks that if the CPU dies we have no manufacturer warranty, we will have to replace the CPU to our clients and support the cost, but hey, our clients deserve it, everyday im amazed with the quality of my clients, 1st class!

 

Ouch, cats are soft, but they have claws. Better a dead cat than a living one because of the claws. The cat would be looking for something to hold onto and that would hurt much worse than a dead one.

Yeah, delid results are nothing short of amazing. Have you ever needed to replace an Intel CPU under warranty? I know it happens, but I think it is extremely rare. Your loyal customer following will likely offset that if it happens someday. And, used CPUs are generally pretty cheap on eBay if you have to get another one.

 

Never seen a desktop one, seen a couple of mobile in all my years in the bizz.

 

Buy cpu from microcenter with the warranty, you can get another new cpu down the road or just swap it for the same one if it breaks after 29 days

 

Yes, & don't forget Brother Fox, the estimated $150 Aurora R5 850watt Bronxze power supply (cable) is gimped too: all it gets is 4pin CPU powa, making it a face palm should one wish to install a micro-ATX board using 8Pin powa: only the strong shall improvise adapt & overcome that nagging little ill-purposed swap-hurdle, short of a power supply swap too in the face of a mobo swap. Mobo & psu: ain't they a pair --> BFFs

If you're keeping track Fox, weve another R2 owner whose 2400MHz won't work on Bios A08, bumped down to 2133 to get it to work. If you're keeping track, Broadwell-E should now post on A08 - but - at the expense of your whimpy 2400 memory OC it seems ... stay tuned

AVicD takes credit for the best work-around, A51 R2 is covered; Aurora's too new, I'll have to give 4.6 a try & get back to you (installs but won't work, wrong platform / 'no instance of an object error' etc) ... vee has übermensch vays to overcome the Alien BuzzKill Technology
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while I can see similarity between the two (same basic components, same use of expoxy-filled copper coil windings etc) XPS Z170 XJ8C4 board is very plebian. I feel R5 got a different board because the budget-nature of the XPS was just too obvious to hide (& use), but yes, both are budget boards & both from Pegatron is my guess. The Hp Envy Phoenix Z170 is a very close relative, while my gut says the new Hp Omen Z170 desktop due out this month should be a closer twin to R5 than the XPS & Envy. Regardless, R5 has an XPS mentality, sharing same gimped 460w non-80Plus psu's ... twins as it were, Azor's twins: tweedle dee & tweedle dumb

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Our 1st look at the pleb OC menu for 6700k in R5 arrived yesterday, since it can't hold its 4.2 OC & survive a reboot the two owners want to know wtf their Skylake went all Drylake ... 'Customization' menu has not been revealed yet, PDF Service Manual says: 'Performance Options' Core OC Level: Allows enable / disable level 1 / 2 & adjust processor flex ratio & voltage in Customization Mode ... Tweedle-dumb ...

Spoiler: oo-rah

 

so again, gimped bios on a subpar motherboard?

 

Last time I used the truck it was there

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Dell don't make any Bios for their laptop/desktops, but they have all the influence what it should contain!! A crippled bios will force people to buy a new computer before time. And people take the bite

 

It is more profitable to sell more machines, but if they break too easily, the warranty and service personnel might cost more on their side. As long as it lasts until their next laptop, it's still adequate.

But Broadwell-E officially supports 2400mhz. Do they not work on that desktop model?

 

As of last year there were owners having luck at 2400 & 2666; regardless, you'll hear the Aliens saying last year how: "We haven’t tested memories running at 2400 MHz on this system so there is no way for us to assure that they will work at that speed"; in other words, 'we sell it with 2133 we can only vouch for 2133 we only owe you 2133, savvy?' ... it's either user error / A08 is borked / they stopped supporting 2400+, maybe all 3, dunno yet, I'm staying tuned

Regardless, MSI's new X99A Tomahawk debuts this week with a smart black theme, Xeon & 3333 memory oc support. When asked by me directly why the Aliens did not commission a new mthrbrd revision from MSI to celebrate their 20th Anniversary in time with a Bwell 10-core release, & how they justified marketing the old desktop as a 'new product' as I caught them doing in several places, Joe Olmsted Head of Product Planning refused to comment on either front, or publish the question for public debate or awareness like a creep. Speaking of MSI ...

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Next-Gen MSI Titan Spotted, Features Dual PSU Adapter For Overclocking With SLI (Updated) courtesy @hmscott @ryzeki
"blah blah with 17- or 18-inch displays", "MSI appears to be listening to its customer base, especially as it pertains to the enthusiast-level products and their functionality" ... impressive. Sounds like a warning shot, maybe a throat-slitter for Alien FazorBlades.

King John's up to give it some respect & so am I: 660watts has a feels-good nature to it that rubs me the right way. Like @Poppysan says, I don't think the Aliens will offer a 1080(m) but MSI appears ready willing & able to. Good for them

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Indeed. Lest it be another in a line of factory unfinished works & what might've been. When my twin & I go fossil Megalodon sharktooth hunting at Calvert Cliffs / Scientist Cliffs MD, Chesapeake Bay, if u find one with any damage u call it a shamer

BGA Titan - like a Meg with a busted tip - would be a shamer ...

LGA Titan? No damage or feed wear? Picture Puurfect​

 

I hope MSI uses a real CPU in it this time around. I'm glad they copied Clevo's AC-100 dual adapter converter... it absolutely needs dual 330W adapters.

 

I can't imagine a fully big boy 1080 will be put in a Aw chassis Mr. Azor prefer. And a 240w is all to weak for 1080 I think. Maybe the Hybrid bios can force missing power from that big battery. Some say the 330w psu fry the motherboards components. Thin slim design isn't the correct way to go for a heat beast Pascal is!!

 

Heck I even replaced my Pentium in my NAS with a 4790S and delidded that lol. Just for fun. Why not right?

CLLU between the die->HS and went traditional on the Heat Spreader -> Heat Sink with GElid Extreme.

I even ordered a closed loop cooler for it, but haven't gotten around to rigging that in yet. It'll work perfectly as there are two slots in the rear where the hose can go out of. I mean the configuration is absolutely perfect for the set up. Transcoding Real Time can create some heat in this bad boy...suckers fast for a NAS. Just hilarious.

Absolutely love Delidding. One thing I really miss doing, because once a desktop is delidded that's it...unless it blows a gasket and the CPU needs replacing, but how often does that happen? Never...hence, why my NAS became a victim haha, however, it's thanking me for it.

It'd be nice to get a dtr refresh with AW...

 

They may increase the Adapter to 270W or higher this time around. Assuming everything runs at stock, cpu+gpu+ram= 45+150+20 = 215W without 4K panel/m.2 ssd/sata ssd/sata harddrive or external drives. Battery boost will help keep it light and portable for end users.

A downclocked and undervolted GTX 1070 might be able to run at only 120W

MSI 16L1 15.6" laptop already supports socketed processors.


A stock GTX 1080 is 180W according to nvidia ( might need a 330W for this one )
A stock 6820HK at 2.7ghz is 45W
Ram ~20W
245W without motherboard/4K panel/ssds/

 

Pfff this is incorrect for at least in Europe. MSI's, Clevo and Asus laptops are all more expensive and have a less good quality chassis.

MSI do have the Ghost series that are thin, but people are losing their screen bezels because the adhesive is becoming loose. They run hot, batteries wear out because of that (they already only have a meager 3 hours battery life) etc. Really strange keyboard position.

Asus are pretty decent for the money, often have screenbleed though even on Full HD models. I consider those equal to the Alienware's just more expensive.

Clevo thin & light gaming laptops in the same class always have a good base but **** screenlid. Too flexible, I had one for testing but sent it back because of it. Also poor battery life. But they where okay. Tested all these 4 brands and ended up with an AW15 which was in my opinion the only right choice for my needs. Not going to spend more than 2000 euro for a laptop also because the power you get for that money is piss poor compared to a solid desktop which I also have.

I paid 1800 for my system with 2 years NBD support. Specs are in my signature.

 

leaks suggest that the cpu is bga 6820hk for the gt83/gt73 sli


ay, tell you what. if the mxm 1080 comes out with 2048 core I'll send khenglish my 1080 desktop and we'll do a core swap

 

Meh... they can keep it then... don't care what GPU(s) they put in it if the rest of the system is BGA CPU crippled. It really sucks that these imbeciles would castrate a nice, big DTR with such a lousy CPU. MSI has always been pretty retarded that way, and so has ASUS. That's why I always have, and will forever continue to, vote no with my wallet on their feces notebooks. Until they correct that deal-breaking flaw, I cannot take them seriously.

 

If a person bought a Skylake LGA laptop with high speed ram, they could upgrade to 4 times before the IPC on the newest machine reaches the same level of performance.
3.2ghz*1.05^4 = 3.89 ~ basically 4.0ghz since Intel only gives 5% upgrades from now on. This is assuming the clocks don't go up. The LGA laptop should still be slightly faster due to faster ram or higher clocked. And the 1machine with 4upgrades may even be cheaper than 5machines and be equally as fast as the fifth machine ( Kabylake/Coffeelake/Cannonlake/Icelake )

And then you upgrade to Tigerlake LGA?
LGA1151 might still have 1-2 upgrades too

 

to be fair, ASUS is a lot more retarded than msi

at least msi still uses standard mxm, promise 2 generation upgrade, relatively easy access to internals, and can pay for an unlocked bios from svet

 

The system only needs to beat my current system in overall benching. I will joke about BGA and all, but i will bench it like any other cpu! And if that machine beats out this one with Xeon CPU and allows for next gen GPU's with no superficial power blocks. Then I'm in. I'm not brand loyal. I'm about the parts.

Nope. It's BGA.

 

@Mr. Fox @johnksss

Who's up for a 2560 core GP104 swap to a 2048 core GP104 MXM board? I can "donate" my GTX1080 if you guys are willing to do the same with 1 mxm board

 

Damn. I had a board but I took off a bunch of parts off of it. Also have the machine and and stencils to do the job.

 

Thought maybe somebody at MSI would have pulled their head out by now... apparently not. Since we seldom have any mud in Phoenix, I don't have much use for an overpriced boot-scraper.

True, but I don't want to buy garbage even when it's a mild case of brain damage... not acceptable. An MSI DTR with a BGA CPU is about as retarded as a Ford Expedition or Cadillac Escalade with 2.5L 4 cylinder engine... that makes it a EunuchBook.

 

An American 2.5L 4 cyclinder engine maybe Mercerdes managed to get 375HP out of their 2L engine these days but yes BGA in a DTR make it a 1L engine inside a sports car!

 

the 16L1 still exist as a whitebook with an mxm slot and z170 solution, but idk if msi will ever publicly release it

 

Even with 375HP it still wouldn't have enough torque for a full sized behemoth SUV with a small CID 4-banger... just like low TDP BGA won't have enough torque for a behemoth DTR. Plus, being a disposable CPU/mobo assembly also sucks and drives the final nail in the coffin for MSI.