Some News for m9750 Owners (8800m GTX and Memory)

Happily making due. It would have been nice but I think I will be just fine.

 

Someone have more news about the new mobility radeon 3800 HD and its MXM type ???
You can see it here

 

Hmmm, is that faster then the m8800 and if so, think it would fit in our 9750's?

 

anyone have an English translation?

 

I could translate it for you since I take French but I really don't feel like it sorry .

Ask MissKool, she speaks french as her 1st language (I'm guessing shes a she.)

 

here is the translation as best as I could get it.. thanks to me, sir travis d - hey that rhymes

Then qu’on l’attend more since now a small end of time, ATI prepares a graphics board of the family of Mobility Radeon in order to counter GeForce 8800M GTX, it s’agit of Mobility Radeon 3800 HD. But curiously, c’est on a graphics board of desktop that we discover it.


C’est makes of them ASUS which less reveals it to us on another monster equipped with step than 3 GPU, the EAH3850.

To manage to put these 3 graphics chips on a PCB of about traditional size, ASUS thus used 3 mobile graphics boards with format MXM. But if, look of readier:



And yes, a module MXM on a graphics PCB of board of desktop. Certe, this n’est not a first since MSI had already presented at the time of CeBIT a 2006 graphics board equipped with modules MXM. But there there are 3 all the same of them!!

NordicHardware, which succeeded in putting the hand on this monster, us gratifie also d’une captures d’écran GPUZ which learns some to us a little more on this chip.

This graphics board HD Mobility Radeon 3800 HD is thus equipped d’une chip RV670 engraved in 55nm, has 512Mo of memory GDDR3, the bus of this memory is finally of 256bits, it is compatible DirectX 10.1, the frequency of the GPU is of 668MHz and the frequency of the memory is of 828MHz.



Highly the availability of these graphics boards in our portable computers, that will start again a little duel ATI - NVIDIA, always good for the consommateurs…

 

i think the m9750 only supports sli chipset so not sure if an ati card would even work without a new motherboard refresh.

 

Travis you just copy + pasted into a translator, anyone could have done that . For example, C'est means "It is"

 

what? I am taking french and that took me 20 minutes to translate

 

are you serious!? 20 mins? I got a better version from google for 2 seconds
http://translate.google.com/transla...dati-se-devoile&langpair=fr|en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
may i ask how old are you?

 

It's mentioned in his profile....

 

Sorry Stone825, but she's a "he"...
Mouaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha !
and it's not misskool, but minikisskool (french candy name, very sweet outside, but very strong inside)
You make me laught a lot for my wake up !!! thanks a lot !

Fot the Ati Card, we just have to know if it's MXM3 type, so it would fit in our M9750.
But i don't know how SLI could be managed by N100 shipset with 2 Radeon 3800HD...

picture of this card :



(source : http://www.nordichardware.com/index.php?news=1&action=more&id=7170)

 

Hehe well thanks for the info so I don't call you a she again . Well that is awesome that the card is MXM3. We just have to make sure that it is faster than (2) 7950GTX's or it's not worth it.

 

That would be heck of nice if the new ATI works for the m9750. It would end up beating the m15x.

 

What are the chances that AW would give us a BIOS update to make it work?

 

Off Topic

Ok, pretending that you translated that yourself is sad:

a) You're obviously lying, or you have really random French knowledge (couldn't translate C'est, but translated single words literally.

b) The fact that you used an online translator is obvious, because all the words are literal translation, you completely missed the meaning, I love how "you" translated the first sentence of the last paragraph, completely missed the point.

c) Spendin 20 minutes translating? Awww... I'd be touched and rep you at how much effort you put into it, but even Google did a better job than you, so I'm going to rep Google.

Huzzah for Google!

I just want to ask, what thrill do you get out of pretending to speak French?

On Topic
If that HD3800 would work... =D Doesn't even need to be SLi, well... SLi would just be mind blowing, yes, mind blowing

http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7559.html

Going to the source, a score of 24,400 in 3DMark06 (but on a 4.6GHz ) is impressive, but I don't think that it'd be much better than an 8800GTX, on the optimistic side, looking at around 70% perfomance gains in SLi over a single card, we're looking at a single card score of 10,000 (do the maths, 10000+2(70%10000)=24000) and that's with the card overclocked and a 4.55GHz processor, quad. Another optimistic thing to say is that the drivers of a prototype card wouldn't exactly be the best

Wait, I thought this wold be pessimistic but it turned out optimistic, if the performance gains of SLi would be in the 40% range, which is more likely with whatever drivers they used, that would actually give a single card score of around 15000 to 16000 (you can check the maths again if you want ) and that sounds awesome, I'm guessing a score of around 12000 @ Stock clocks or so on our pitiful Merom CPUs

Sure beats the 8800m GTX.

Scratch where I said SLi, I meant Crossfire, but you know what I mean, basically multi-GPU setups

 

@Phritz - I was waiting for someone to say that, I concur.

@Tokaygecko - That is the one thing that I am worried about. I am unsure if Alienware will actually take the time to support the Radeon card. If I learn how to create a Bios (highly unlikely lol) I would put the time in to make one.

 

kinda reminds me of my little brother lol, whenever people found he's lying, he will make up another lie to cover up the previous lie lol

btw any idea of benchmark of 3800 HD?

 

Read my edited post, I'm guessing the benchmarks there

And comparing the pictures of the Go 7950GTX and the HD3800... the HD3800 looks tobe MM 3 =D, not sure if that was stated before...

 

another question just popped up in my head, I guess a single 7950 consume 45W of power? (correct me if i am wrong) so dual 7950 will be 90W? but a single 8800m GTX only needs 35W for similar performance? besides the new Bio, do you think 3800HD would require extra heatsink?

@Phritz, how you got "10000+2(70%10000)=24000"? if a single card has 10K, and the second card has 70% of performance, wouldn't it be "10K+0.7(10K)" for SLI? whick is 17K

edit: why the notebook manufactures stop developing liquid cooling of notebook? i knew Hitachi had made few water cooling laptops couple years ago.

 

Yeah, the 8800m GTX has a lower TDP (but isn't MXM3?!) because of the fabrication process, the 7950GTX is 90nm, the 8800GTX is 65nm and the HD3800 looks to be 55nm.

I don't think the HD3800 would require a cooling system update since Ithin it'll run cooler because of the even smaller fab. process, I think the m9750's cooling system can handle the HD3800, it's been able to handle overclocked CPU's and GPU's (the overclock to 2.33GHz was a onetime thing for me, to get 9400 in 3DMark, but my GPU's are always OC'ed when plugged in)

If you read the article, it's actually 3 GPU's that are being used in that card, hence 10,000+7,000+7,000=24000

 

Hmm I'm hoping that the 3800HD will require less than 45W of power. That would hopefully mean that it should produce less heat which won't require an extra heatsink. Even if it does run a little hotter, I think some AS5 could help bring the temps down a bit (see the AS5 guide here).

 

My post is actually quite confusing to read haha

Basically, it's better for us if their crossfire gains were poor, since it means the standalone card would be better.

I don't how much of a difference in 3DMark06 there'd be between a 2.0GHz mobile CPU and a 4.6GHz Desktop CPU, so my guesstimate of 11,000 in 3dMark06 of a merom + HD3800 is complete guesswork, but it sounds around right to me that it should be somewhere near, or better than the 8800GTX

And there wont be any mind blowing, since we're talking about an ATi card, and I find it highly unlikely that we could crossfire the card Still. HD3800 > 7950GTX SLi, so I'm not complaining, since SLi isn't actually making the laptop any bigger it's "small" enough as it is, not like any space is going to waste...

 

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just curious any new GTX cards been comfirmed to work in the m9750? as i know someone that is looking for a new laptop and he was liking the look of the m9750

 

No, there are no confirmed cards that will be released for the m9750 other than the 8700 and 7950. We are just hoping/pondering that they will introduce the nVidia Geforce Go 8800m GTX and ATI Radeon HD 3800. If Alienware doesnt and someone finds out if it is possible to stick either of these cards in than we hope we hear that aswell, but chances are this won't happen.

 

There will be an MXM3 8800GTX.

Was browsing through the clevo area, and got this:

 

Wow nice. Now we just have to get our hands on one . Well it looks like we won't be upgrading to the 9800GTX though, heh.

 

Nice find, Clevo parts are alot easier to get than AW parts.

 

A new card is now available for the M9750. Its a Quadro FX 1600M but is a new card none the less. Thats roughly equal to the 8700m correct?

 

It's a little bit better.. http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Graphics-Cards-Benchmark-List.844.0.html

 

Would the Quadro card run games as well in real world use, or is it optimized primarily for photo and video editing?

Does it support DirectX? if so, which version?

Thanks

 

To answer your second question. Yes, direct X10.

I'm not so sure about the first question, but here take a look at this which I copied straight from the Alienware site:


The NVIDIA® Quadro® FX family of mobile graphics processors provide creative professionals with a wide range of advanced solutions including features such as faster transfer of 3D textures, PureVideo™ HD technology and full-scene antialiasing. Based off of NVIDIA’s Unified Architecture, the Quadro FX generates dynamic work environments for developing and manipulating highly detailed and interactive 3D and video content.

* NVIDIA Unified Architecture – First-of-its-kind architecture designed to enhance GPU performance through efficient allocation of geometry, shading and pixel processing power.


* Shader Model 4.0 – Delivering new levels of realism and clarity to leading graphics applications including OpenGL and DirectX® 10.


* NVIDIA PowerMizer™ 7.0 – Increases system efficiency, lowering power consumption and extending battery life. This provides enhanced flexibility for professionals increasingly finding themselves working away from their power cord.


* C Programming Environment – C language environment and tool suite allows professionals to tackle complex functions such as real-time ray tracing and interactive volume rendering.


* NVIDIA High Precision, Dynamic-Range Technology – Enhance image quality through floating point capabilities in shading, filtering, texturing and blending.


* Rotated-Grid Full-Scene Antialiasing (RG FSAA) – Achieve improved color accuracy and sharper line edges, reducing blurring or jagging in more intricate design work.

 

It seems to be more in line with a geforce card than earlier quadro products, judging by your description. Although I doubt they will let me buy one anyway, since I have vista, I plan to ask AW about this when I get the chance.

Its not what I was hoping for, but it is a step in the right direction.
Of course, it might also be an attempt to move the m9750 more to the prosumer market before launching the m17X...

 

no point getting your hopes high on the Quadro FX 1600M. it is worse for gaming than the 8700m. both the 1600m and 8700m are 128 bit bus. the workstation cards are good for runnin professional graphics applications programs that require multiple open-gl windows running at the same time, for example.

the performance results on that website are not true so i would not use it to measure anything.

 

it seems they're lowering prices and adding tid bit stuff to help make some money and remove some stock... perhaps the discontinuation of the m9750 is close. then we can finally hear what alienware has to say about the future of upgrading for their m9750 customers.

i don't know what to think of that page with the mxmIII 8800mgtx card.

 

Quadro FX 1600M is for professional design programs like solidwork

 

So I'm more interested in the Memory thing, I just got a 9750 yesterday and I'm torqued... 4gb of ram but only 2.5 useable???? I installed SP1 and yes now the system panel says 4gb... However Task manager, resource manager, everest all still only show 2.5gb of ram. This pisses me off and am about to call Alienware to return it..

I have a question in 64bit environment is it actually utilizing all the ram the way it should?? Has anyone tested?? Cause it seems like a complete bios limitation I mean it says 4gb installed, 2.5gb available. Seems like the machine is only giving 2.5gb no matter what..

Any insite on this issue would be great as I could only find one other post about this problem really.

 

grAfiX. If you are so concerned about something like this, you should have read the other posts before buying it. It is a common problem that the m9750's chipset can only support 2.5gigs. Half a gig is used for graphics, and half a gig for something else ect. 2.5gigs is still a lot

 

2.5gigs is nothing when I'm 3d animating..

I did only after realizing and there is only 1 or 2 posts that I found after digging and digging looking specificallyfor it, this isn't common knowledge someone is going to find without specifically looking for it unless they spend all their time on these Notebook forums.

I have had Alienware's all the way from the 5620D days this is actually my 6th Alienware Laptop and have always been happy so don't think I am hating on Alienware. It says it supports 4gb of ram right on Alienware's pages, specs are specs. The chipset clearly supports 4gb according to Intel so it's something else causing the issue. I shouldn't have to search out to prove that Alienware specs are wrong, they should be clearly stated and that's where my issues are.

I am sure when I call them tomorrow and raise my concerns that I will get refunded and will wait out for the M17X more than likely.

 

Yes, with Vista Service Pack 1 your 32 bit OS can see all 4 gigs.

But, to be able to actually use all 4 gigs you need to have installed a 64 bit version of either Vista or XP.

 

Just on another note, I have had 4gb of ram in my 7700, my 5790, why would I think getting a newer machine I would be limited especially when I'm pretty sure the 5790 and this have the same chipset??? You act as if this is something like common knowledge.

 

Did you read my previous post yet?

 

Yes, thanks but... Microsoft changed the way the OS reports the amount of memory. it reports the installed memory not what is available to the OS.

What is available to the OS is still 2.5gb as shown in resource manager, everest ect... I understand 32bit systems cannot recognize it all but I think this is something different we will see once 64bit is installed.

I am installing XP 64 to see if it actually utilizes the 4gb or only 2.5 but I am almost willing to be it will only use 2.5 even in 64bit systems as the Bios is displaying the limitation.

 

Installed Physical Memory (RAM) 4.00 GB
Total Physical Memory 2.50 GB
Available Physical Memory 1.30 GB
Total Virtual Memory 2.42 GB
Available Virtual Memory 1.20 GB
Page File Space 0 bytes


Only thing that makes me feel a lil better is that I turned off my page file and Virtual memory is 2.42GB which makes me think it is actually utilizing that ram to some degree however... 2.5 + 2.42 is pretty close to 5gb though kinda wierd with no page file.

And yes the system runs fine in this state... Even Oblivion on high settings for a few hours last night... I'm sure someone will freak about the no page file thing, but I've been running systems like this for years.

 

OK, let's try this one more time:

THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO THAT WILL EVER MAKE THE M9750 USE MORE THAN 3.5GB OF RAM, INCLUDING VIDEO RAM.

This is a hardware limitation. It does not matter if you install a 64bit OS, or some yet to be conceived 128 bit OS, you can only use 3.5 GB RAM and VRAM.

 

I called Alienware, talked to Alex. He said 8800M GTX will NOT be available for M9750, since they have to change motherboard they decided to keep as it is. If you want to have 8800M GTX you will have to buy m17x which will be out sometime in May. What you need to do in order to install 8800M GTX on your 9750 is to change your motherboard which requires of you also to change CPU. So the ones that have 7950 SLI, i would upgrade them to 8700M GT in order to mach shader intensity of newer games. Moreover, 8700M GT is getting better with each subsequent driver release, so this card is not that bad as many would say. One is able to enjoy all the new games at pretty high resolutions and it will stay so (except hight resolution part) for the next at least 2 years. So heads up guys. I am disappointed too of unavalability of 8800M GTX.

 

@Mazurik - Have you read about the 8800GTX MXM-III for Clevo's. It was earlier in this thread.

 

Was browsing Clevo's sight and found this:

http://www.clevo.com.tw/en/products/prodinfo.asp?productid=61

It says the 8800M GTX is MXMIII and the 7950 GTX is MXMIV. So if this is correct that means there is an MXMIII 8800M already out. Wonder if anyone with a clevo based M570RU can post a pic of their card.

At this link the 901C uses MXMIV 8800M's.

http://www.clevo.com.tw/en/products/prodinfo_2.asp?productid=19