When are the new Alienwares with Maxwell coming?

A i5-4210H (or whatever it may be) in an Alienware 15? Is Dell gone bananas? This is starting to become a farce. The faster Dell launches this garbage the faster I become fresh and can move on to Clevo or a gaming rig with i7-5960x.

 

There's a 4210m in the 17 right now. This is nothing new.

 

This is a farce. Dell starts to become low-end ..

 

Hey guys, don't worry, the alienware logo adds +30k in 3dm vantage extreme preset score and a decent scaling to other benchmarks / games / app :^)

You can buy the ULV BGA CPU alinware with a crap graphics card which is permanently routed to the optimus intel Iris with no doubt :thumbsup:

 

ULV BGA CPU in Alienware can certainly run benchmark tests that is intended for tablet or mobile phone with good scores.

 

No worries.. we got the Graphic Amplifier..

 

What about bencmark tests with the processor? Can not do it with a graphics amplifier.
That might not work as it was intended. Only trouble for most. No thanks .. :thumbsup: Better with a gaming rig or Clevo laptop with desktop processor.

 

It looks like a brochure of all Dell's laptops they're going to sell. I assume that they'll start selling them when they are released at CES2015?

Is there any chance the XPS 15 is being updated?

 

True dat.. im saying it with a smirk directed to AW

 

I've been following content on this forum for the past few months and never did I have so much urge to post. I've been waiting for the new Alienware and I'm hoping the config on the image is for the base and nothing more; otherwise, it would really be a farce. The image doesn't even read sense - not sure who would advertise a 4k screen with ONLY an i5 and a 965m with 2gb to go with it. It would be too painful to see in February that the highest possible config on an Alienware 17 is 970m with 3gb gddr5 because they've reduced the laptop's thickness.

 

Since Alienware laptop is so thin it has certainly a weak cooling function. Then it is no wonder Dell preferably wild sell their new laptops with 4210m processors and the like and rather focus on its famous graphics amplifier. The thinner a laptop is the worse the cooling it is. Although Dell (Alienware) always have had good cooling solutions they can not challenge the law of gravity.

 

Based on what are you saying that the new laptop is going to be thin? Are you 100% sure Alienware have made changes to their new laptop build and the old chassis won't be available?

I understand that Dell's strategy could be to just focus on the amplifier (and Alpha/Area 51) and have slimmer laptops than before to compete with the likes of GS60. However, based on what I've read so far on the AW 13 thread, it hasn't been easy to get the GA (with GTX 980) to work with the AW 13 - and if and when people get it to work, I am not sure the performance improvement over the base config will be more than 60% of what you'd have if you had the GTX 980 in a desktop chassis. Mind you this is based on the AW 13 discussion - I have no idea how the GA is going to work with the new laptops.

 

Well, from what i understand, if Alienware decided to go all BGA like, the laptop will be alot thinner, since the bulkier chassis is for the slot type GPU. So far all we get is hints and rumors only, but the evidence is pointing that way. But i shall remain optimistic and hope that although all the evidence point that Alienware does do the deed of using BGA config, they still will allow some room for upgrade.

 

When you change your business plan to pander to the thin and light jokebook jockeys instead of serving performance enthusiasts you have cut corners. You cannot fit awesome hardware into a thin and light form factor and have it work correctly. This is simple math. They have to use wimpy low-TDP CPUs and BGA because there is no space for the good stuff, of the beefy heat sinks the good stuff needs to avoid catching on fire.

 

Yeah, I heard that the new Alienware laptops will most likely use the BGA package to mount the CPU. That's definitely not good - and I understand that this approach will likely reduce laptop thickness. However, I am still hoping that the AW laptops wont be as slim as the GS60 and other thin gaming laptops that came out in 2014, and be thicker than its competitors (well, most of them at least, since the Clevo chassis cannot be overtaken if AW take this route).

 

You can not get hefty performance from your processor or GPU if you make a 15 to 17 "gaming laptop that is in size (thickness) with a tablet or mini notebook. Only with weak hardware you can do something like that.

 

I understand. I've seen most people particularly interested in only a good GPU setup. However, in my case, I need a good CPU (and memory config) to go with it as well as I run a lot of CPU-intensive code. I'm hoping to migrate some of the code to the GPU, but that's going to take time and some of it may be unrealistic to run on a GPU. I've been waiting like forever to get a top-end CPU and GPU AW laptop - but it seems like I might just have to go with a Clevo/Sager if AW doesn't provide a good CPU and GPU option soon.

 

Thank you pal. Nice found. Though these are obviously the base models, both alienware 17 and 15 also seeing the prices etc. Though I am interested in what CPU's the alienware 15 has to offer, because to be honest I want the 4870HQ (considering they will be all soldered CPU's).

And about the "carbon fiber"-material is that something new added to the alienware laptops? or was it already available? since it's really a light and very sturdy material which I really like.

Damn can't wait for release. And where is that image from? CES?

 

Image was from the mail (someone got it in the mail, so yeah. Dell's leaking again, but in old fashon).
The 13 currently uses carbon fiber, but it does not have the magnesium-aluminum alloy material on the 2013 lineup (soft rubber I think). I wouldn't be surprised if the 17 R2 were to have it, though.
Laptops are being revealed at CES, so who knows? Maybe this week we find out an official confirmation.

 

The pics dint mention anything about 120hz display.I badly want a 120hz display any guesses it could happen?Becoz it seems like implementing a 4k display on alienware 15 its gonna be its selling point and then what about alienware 17 ?could it have the 4k display ?

 

So I fixed the typo in the Alienware ad.



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I think it safe to say that there will be no 120hz display due to restriction from the GPU.

 

Wow, I just checked your signature. That's one awesome Area-51 you have. How much did it cost? Do you have a thread where I can get more info about it? Thanks.

 

Thanks really very disappointing i dont see a point in getting more than 60fps in games becoz anyways we wont be able to watch more than 60fps due to absents on 120hz display right?

 

Thanks! Was $5097.83 CDN total.

The only thread I'm aware of is at Alienware Community forums which highlights Alienware's horrendous packaging when shipping these 70lbs. beasts.

The machine is no joke though. I need a new monitor though since I hit the 200FPS cap in Dragon Age: Inquisition. Rips through everything.

 

They could've made a hybrid off the new and old M18x R2 design and use a carbon fiber lid + Mg Alloy and heck they could've easily beat the juice out of the Eurocom panther 5 / Clevo P570WM3. But instead.... A carbon fiber jokebook with a 3GB soldered 900Ms, a low TDP BGA filth with full-throttling GA and a super slim design.. buhahaha !!

Offical death date of the Alienware high performance machines is yet to be unfolded.

Spoiler

 

I understand you perfectly as a person who wants to have as much juice possible out of a notebook. Though I'm a lover of 14 inch laptops. So the 15 inch "throttling machine" you call, is more or less what I want. It's not 14 inch, bu tat least I get instead a stronger 970M GPU and a 4K display, so I can live with that being 15 inch.

So unlike you I like that "trhottling machine" as it's the machine that suits me the most out of the current market.

Though I hope you will find a laptop that suits your liking too anytime soon.

 

I respect your choice brother but the thing is the brand's most highlight was 17" and 18" machines with super flexible, high performance options & the new machines they are missing it.
Moreover you will have to change the machine again when there's a better model...as all components are soldered which will be complete waste of money.

And for a $1700 you could get a better notebook from clevo without any soldered components..Plus I was referring to 17" AW not the 15" one...

 

Double post.

 

Death day is much closer than you think. it is soon only a few days to Dell launches the new Alienware laptops with all the hardware soldered. If you are lucky you might be able to upgrade ram and ssd.

 

Ow yeah, I have to admit, the 17" inch one is really a shame. Especially when compared to the alienware 15.
I tend to buy a complete new laptop every 3,5/4 years so, I don't really upgrade. Also we have state law that forces 2 year warranty on any electronic device. So all I gotta hope is that the laptop goes okay for at least 1 more year after warranty expiration. Currently still using my almost 4 years old m14x r1. And was very happy with it.

Because I'm not getting only a GPU/CPU upgrade. I'm getting now an aluminum chassis, New design, higher resolution and a lot better quality screen. And perhaps the Graphcis amplifier support might be something I might look into, after 1 or 2 years of owning the laptop to make better use of the 4K display, since I only game heavily in my room anyway. And some online shops tend to do great sales on desktop GPU's.

So yeah, I'm satisfied, and don't see it necessarily as waste of money.

 

Omg dont even joke. Asus released a board with soldered memory to improve latency. It was only 2gb though. *facepalm*
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=8048

 

That was in 2007... 2gb of ram (DDR3 no less, which was brand new at that point) got you a lot farther back then than it does now at least...

 

I predict today we will see new Alienware laptops with a new body and layout. will have the new maxwell cards and monitor options will range from 1080, 1440, 1080 120hrz and will top out at 4k. Will support the new graphics amplifier.

Alienware product manager has been quoted when talking about the alienware 13.
That we should expect future products to make use of the graphics amplifier. Which means a new design for the entire unit.
That alienware previously never included a resolution higher than 1080p due to the fact they didn't believe the units could drive games at acceptable FPS and now with the availability of the amplifier the units can push 4k gaming.

Also Alienware has been on the record stating the core design elements for the alienware 13 and beyond laptops are as follows
Ethernet port
Good keyboard (rigid and high quality)
upgradeable graphics internally and withing the amplifier
zero throttling with ample cooling

SOURCE

so given than we can expect a whole new unit... today (or whenever dell announces it this week) should be an interesting day for alienware hardware

 

He didn't mention upgradeability of the internal graphics card, he only said the graphics amplifier could be upgraded.

 

The discussion about the change in form factor goes way back to the first news on the AW 13 with speculation that it was the start of a set of new designs with the thinner form factor before even that news, all the way back to August I think or thereabouts.

 

Previous AW have had higher than 1080 screens by the way. The m17xr2 had a 1200p and can still be upgraded till this day, thanks to mxm slots. It can probably still spank these newer models.

 

Ha, that's freaking good... Nice edit.

So, 965M and 970M. I figured they'd use the 980M as a "unique" component for the AW 17 R2... Lame.

That price is good, though. It's also a good thing I didn't buy the AW 13.

 

Yeah pretty remarkable really - just starting to really look into a GPU upgrade on my M17x-R2 with that very screen, and trying to decide on an SSD upgrade as well. I don't mind the move to BGA for smaller form factors as much, but it's a shame the push for it is driving the design across the board and affecting all tiers : /

 

Remarkable it is!

BGA wouldn't bother me if I am buying a disposable cheap machine under $700 to do browsing and word processing. I guess that's close-ish to what the AW13 costs anyway.

But being locked out from upgrading a performance machine that costs above $2000 is crazy. Pricing aside. Being locked out of upgrading a performance machine is crazy period. It's like welding a cars engine together instead of using nuts and bolts.

 

That was kind of my point in an earlier post about the price cutoff now turning into a about $1500 USD for a system. it's enough to get a BGA-based system with some oomph to it, but not so much an investment that you can't recoup a fair amount after a year to flip and buy a new one. It's not very cost effective, but it's livable. The problem then is if much of the market decides something similar, some unspoken ceiling of cost, then that effectively kills higher end performance laptops because no one will see a reason to buy one. The Graphics Accelerator external GPU idea helps, but doesn't alleviate the central problem. Heck, I could have lived with a soldered CPU, but the GPU on top? That to me is the real issue at hand, along with the prospect of even memory being limited.

 

Future looks black when it comes to faster laptop processors. Intel invests in too much weird like 4K video without a discrete graphics card, Battery life gets a boost, 3D cameras and natural interaction, Business features: Intel later this month will detail new Core chips that support vPro technology, which makes security and remote management of PCs easier. For example, system administrators will be able to remotely disable or wipe out data in case a laptop is stolen. VPro also allows remote troubleshooting of laptops. Core chips with vPro will be targeted at businesses. This becomes worse and worse for those who would prefer more performance from the processor than a faster Intel integrert graphic Cards and other Garbage. This writes they about the processor, which will be launched in the fall; Quad-core Broadwell chips coming later in 2015: Intel is initially only shipping dual-core Core i3, i5 and i7 Broadwell U chips, and quad-core chips code-named Broadwell H will ship later this year. The quad-core chips will have Iris Pro graphics cores, which are packed with the latest technologies such as 4K video encoding and decoding. Broadwell H chips will be Intel’s fastest performing laptop processors. Just nonsense from Intel.
Disappointing application performance gains: The speed boost for productivity applications like Word and Excel in the new Core chips is up by only 4 percent when compared to Haswell chips. That’s lower than expected, as Intel’s CPU performance usually improves by between 10 percent to 30 percent with each new processor architecture. There’s no need to pay a premium or upgrade to Broadwell laptops if you just want to make spreadsheets run faster. An older laptop with a fourth-generation Core chip based on Haswell will be just fine to run productivity applications.
The new processors that replace Hotwell i7-4900 series are not faster, only with faster integrated graphics.
Why did Dell enforce these soldered processors on an Alienware when they could have used Hotwell processors a little longer? Dell makes more and more wrong choice when it comes to Alienware gaming laptops. It is totally meaningless and upgrade a laptop now.
The next advancement from Dellienware going to be the Nvidia gtx980 / 1080m soldered with full commitment on battery boost and no perfomance.
Intel's new Broadwell chips: 10 things you need to know | PCWorld

 

Thanks. Was the packaging bad - Was anything damaged? I can only imagine how much of a beast your machine would be. Have you had any issues so far you think I should know - drivers, etc?

 

https://twitter.com/morganpage/status/552176732132765696
Soon.

 

@papusan - it meaningless to buy a new laptop if performance is one of the goals. There is a serious lack of performance. I see the new BGA filth as being "tablet alternatives" rather than "desktop replacement" computers. My M18xR1 with 2920XM (circa 2011) and 780M SLI running stock GPU clocks will stomp the living daylights out of Alienware's latest and greatest "high end" jokebook.

Kind of like what Hulk does to Loki... LOL. So pathetic.

 

[video]http://www.dell.com/learn/uk/en/ukbsdt1/videos~en/documents~alienware-15-laptop-channelvideo-en.aspx[/video]

There u go!

 

Yeah, I'm jumping aboard the Alienware Express and taking their 18 on a life raft before the whole thing sinks. Throttling 880s or whatever. I'm not even sure if Pascal will be MXM 3.0b, but I don't care, I'll just go to the 985M or w/e with 1600+ CUDA cores.

GT80 Titan is not appealing to me and the Clevo doesn't have the looks . Too much fanboy here.

It isn't optimal packaging. Dell has been cheaping out gradually on the packaging. It's worse for both Alienware 18 and Area 51 compared to M18X and Aurora R4. It all depends on if an idiot handles your package. Mine came spotless. Some people had their machine turned upside down and the package box BROKE!!! The box was tapped up like some Frankenstein mess. Let me know if you want the thread.

The machine itself is amazing and my 3DMark score below isn't even my best . Can reach 37K+ no doubt.

 

So overclocking will exist when the GA hooks up, as theorized.
This may mean the the 15 and 17 R2 will use the extra wattage available in the GA's PSU to overclock. Either that, or use whatever is left in the 180w charger since the Nvidia or AMD GPU (could be any, but that does explain the AME thing on the India shipping list) will be inactive.
Speaking of AMD GPU, which would be used? The m295x is an Apple GPU, or did Alienware strike a deal with AMD?
EDIT: And I was right. the 15 will come with an R9 m295x. Source.

However, it may not come with a GTX 970m. Seems as if the m295x is the substitute for the high-end on the 15, which is kind of a let down.

 

So, no more metal on top of gimped components. Nice! Plastic with marketing spin focused on a piece of carbon fibre to help make it more rigid, as if that will somehow make up for the lack of metal. Based on that video, gaming with any level of acceptable performance seems to be predicated on having your portable anchored to a desk accessory (eGPU).

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This will be interesting to see. Alienware will offer overclocked HQ processors? lol