When are the new Alienwares with Maxwell coming?

Brother Fox, I would love something like the Clevo P570WM but with a desktop Haswell/Broadwell K desktop CPU + 2 SLI cards and weighing about 4.5kgs but the P570WM is too large for me..

Personally, I've been thinking.. I read an article where this Frank Azor guy was saying that Dell were skipping Broadwell and would directly upgrade to Skylake (it was a cnet onenI believe someone posted in this forum)... Maybe they're trying to experiment while they have the chance to do so with the BGA crap and see how it sells.. The real decision to keep it will probably be made then to either keep going this way or to revert back (highly unlikely IMO) to the "old" Alienware with probably BGA CPU's (due to Intel) and MXM GPU...

 

I thought Alienware was mad to remove the optical drive, however I'm looking at a new company laptop (Dell UK - Latitude series) and the 13" and 15" range that has just been released no longer come with the optical drive neither.

It's clear this is a Dell-wide change, just not sure the logic behind it, especially for work laptops that require you to install all sorts of software that comes on CD's. Most IT people carry around images on a CD/DVD drive also.

 

Perhaps their logic is CD and DVD media is on its way to obsolescence. At any rate, I don't see how eliminating the optical drive is any more heinous and despicable than moving to crappy BGA filth to accommodate a petite form factor for the thin and light goo-goo-gah-gah club. I know some people still love them and play music CDs, maybe watch a movie, but this is becoming more and more rare. I know I am not alone in thinking optical disks are space hogging, too slow, inefficient and too expensive. A few years ago, I moved my BluRay burner out of the chassis and made room for another hard drive and I think an estimate of using it maybe 8 or 10 times since then would an exaggeration.

 

It happened at last the Alienware is now Filthware, kudos to dell in successfully killing off the brand !!
I hope these new fithware machines's, 15 and 17 forum sections must not be merged with the existing ones (M15x, M17x / AW17 R1)....please go somewhere else this is not the place :hi2:

 

Nah, we shall not abandon the community just because Alienware is being stupid. Let them come. We shall teach them what Alienware truly is! Or was...

 

I would love to believe this is the case. The problem there is whether or not Intel is going to only produce only BGA in short order.. most of the analysts are saying this is the case and since the vast majority (well over 98%) never upgrade laptop components so they (Dell, etc) as not a big deal. Devastating though to those who want to though : /

 

I believe that. Intel has no idea what the hell they're doing these days. Broadwell has been delayed to like 2020. It doesn't make sense to invest in Broadwell when Skylake will replace it less than 6 months later.

 

Could you then (in theory) Crossfire a 7970M and a R9 M290x?

 

For $1669 one can buy a Sager NP9752 / Clevo P750ZM or Sager NP9772 / Clevo P770ZM at XoticPC with same specs...

i7 4790K
8GB RAM
1TB 7200RPM
FHD
GTX 970M
Added bonuses- > Prema MOD, HULK heatsink, Massive upgradability
I think any one with brains would definitely go for this and never think again about this stupid Alienware's new filth machines.

 

Agreed.. Now if Clevo release my dream machine, my 1st salary (well maybe the 2nd one once I clear my debts) will go to getting it!

 

What's your dream machine?

 

Ship it with 980M SLI and I would say it would be a winner. Has to be 980M SLI in order to beat my M18xR2's performance wiht 780M SLI. I'd also be interesting in seeing how effectively the CPU can be overclocked. If it's not capable of easily running at least 4.5GHz without overheating, not being able to fully exploit the CPU would be a deal-breaker.

 

I hope Clevo will release a successor to the P377SM-A soon, I'm done with Alienware once and for all..they killed off the 17,14 and why the heck discontinue the AW18...empty heads .

 

Well Alienware is actually listening... sort of.
https://www.facebook.com/Alienware/...71644901972/10152665090831973/?type=1&theater
https://twitter.com/Alienware/status/552889049770254336
Yes, it's for the 13. But it is also for the Graphics Amplifier indirectly. It also means they've been hearing the complaints about their lineup.
I don't suspect they'll make a turn around for unsoldered CPUs until a couple of years, but MXM GPUs? Yeah... nope.

 

They killed the 18 for the obvious reason that no one is going to put that kind of money into a BGA platform that they can't in turn upgrade. They don't sell enough to make it worth their trouble with them, yet that is what that platform is all about. While AW 18 is probably gone for good, the rest of the makers (Dell has unfortunately moved faster than necessary to BGA as a standard) of these systems are going to be looking at that approaching horizon as well where it no longer makes sense to produce an 18" system because they will all be in the same boat, sad to say.

 

It's not upgradable, but at least it's replaceable without swapping the entire mobo, which is half the battle right there.

 

Upgrading from Haswell ULV soldered crap to Broadwell ULV soldered crap is considered "listening?" LOL

 

Oh yeah!

 

If you want to look at the posts that way, your problem for not getting what I meant.
Better yet, why bother. This thread is a mess to deal with.

 

So what did you mean? Is there some other important information in those links that I overlooked?

Please enlighten me.

 

A dual core i7 is sort of like an oxymoron. I don't know why they consider than an upgrade though. The "upgrade" still has only 2C/4T and turbo clock is 100MHz slower. They are both 4MB cache, 15W Android tablet grade CPUs. Maybe "newer" would have been a more accurate thing for them to say. Compare Specs: Core i7 4510U versus Core i7-5500U | ARK

 

The i7 and i5 designation on these chips is pure marketing bull. They're not even worthy of the i3 name. At least i3's have much higher TDPs.

 

Yeah thats true. But does anyone sell these parts?

 

Why the hell wont they use the new 28W CPUs from Broadwell? I mean it isnt a 47W CPU but its a heck faster than the 15W Haswell its featuring now. Should be a good compromise for heat as well if you ask me

Intel's Broadwell-U arrives aboard 15W, 28W mobile processors - The Tech Report

 

Here's an 860M Maxwell card:

http://us.estore.asus.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=6503

http://us.estore.asus.com/index.php?l=search_list&s[match]=all&s[search]=g750&s[title]=Y&s[short_desc]=Y&s[full_desc]=Y&s[cid]=0&s[subcats]=Y&s[mid]=0&s[sku]=&s[price_from]=&s[price_to]=&s[weight_from]=&s[weight_to]=

 

Argg, trying to figure out if the 4980HQ in the new R2 17" is haswell or broadwell and I find it's Crystal Well - err where did that come from , at least it's a 47w chip...

Products (Formerly Crystal Well)

 

I have used a couple of systems with a 4980HQ and I was extremely unimpressed. It's OK for a work laptop that needs to do office productivity crap, but it is far from being high performance. It is adjustable, but is a super lousy overclocker with lackluster performance. I would not touch one with a 10-foot pole. It seems like they left a decimal point out in the middle of its TDP. It rarely reaches turbo boost speeds and power adjustments are limited with a locked CPU. The Iris Pro is waste of money and serves no useful purpose in something being spun by OEM marketing schmucks as a CPU for gaming/performance enthusiast machines.

 

4980HQ is a new revision from 4960HQ.
Both are Haswell.
CrystalWell is a codename for CPUs with HD5200 IGP. You know, the one with its own eDRAM located on a die next to the CPU.

Unless you need and use the IGP, you are paying a pretty penny for something you dont need

 

Thanks. Well I guess I'm going to find out

 

It's Haswell. Broadwell quad-cores haven't been released yet. Crystalwell is the codename for the eDRAM silicon on the Haswell CPUs with Iris Pro graphics.

 

GTX 980M option at Dell shows with 4GB DDR5? Isn't this card supposed to have 8GB?

 

Nope, because its soldered. And they need to cut down power consumption since they are going down to 180W PSUs now

 

All these questions keep making me sigh at Alienware and then facepalm.

The 4GB is a sign that it's soldered/not upgradable and not in the MXM 3.0b form factor.

 

Thanks guys, Haswell Broadwell, Crystalwell, Maxwell, jeez, I'm in a bottomless 'well' haha.

This was the clue I missed: Systems Management:Haswell Driver

 

And don't forget Braswell.

 

Save well! Wait for Skylake and Pascal. At least they will be on a new architecture, and should be twice as powerful. If everything in the future is going to be soldered, you should avoid purchasing old technology - the last three generations were built on 28nm. That 680M will surely last you another year. It's still a great GPU.

 

I think that will be limited to the wimpy AMD R9 M290X option. 180W is just barely enough for a 980M to function normally in no-load scenarios.

 

I use the save cart function to check the fine details of the order. For some reason Dell got rid of this kind of interface when just checking out online normally, but I found out how to get it back.

I don't think Cloudfire is off.

Same for AW15

 

So, Maxwell is here. Time to close this awful thread? I'm going to have nightmares.

 

Yeah my real alienware is going nowhere - except from my cold dead hands (good ol' Charlton H quote )!

I'm just fed up waiting and sitting on my disposable wad doing nothing with it. I get to see first hand just what they are selling and as long as I take less than 2 weeks they can have it back .

 

Dell skips Broadwell with some laptops, plans for Skylake | PCWorld

You won't be waiting long. All of this soldered crap is coming at us fast. They're really shoving this stuff down our throats, lol.

 

Hmmm.... after reading that article I am inclined to simply wait for Silverlake for a 15 and limp by on my M14x-R2 until then. Looks like the GPU upgrade on the M17x-R2 is now more possible as well

 

With the option of upgrading completely off the table now (and for the foreseeable future), playing the "waiting game" might be worth while, depending on what's to come.

Haswell HQ (old) vs wait 6~ months for Skylake (HQ?) - probably worth it. Haswell is hot and power hungry.

 

Pricey ssd solution (M.2) no 120hz monitor (know gtx 980m not support 3D, but gtx980m supports 120hz monitor).

 

Again J.Dre, 47W Broadwell May-July somewhere.
47W Skylake 2016 somewhere, most likely Q2

 

You're right but I have finally emerged from 12 months of 'Mr Angry' and decided to take a more pragmatic approach. What's the worst that can happen? It's a plastic feeling POS with a buggy OS and only just OK in the gaming arena? Gye-bye. I read a lot in the past how the CPU is of little help over what you get from a mid level i7 for gaming? Looking as all the new features with Silverlake I think it's going to be a while before they are all introduced - looks like a true quantum leap and may tempt me to sell both machines...

Ahh, there is a light, thanks

 

Frank Azor said Skylake will be available H2 of this year for the XPS and Alienware laptops.

I don't know, I think it's worth waiting until we at least see what Skylake has to offer. But that's just my opinion.

 

You can at least buy and replace the graphics card without and had to buy the (whole motherboard= New Alienware).

 

That was probably based on Intel's first slide of Skylake, things have changed.

 

You're right. Things have changed. The time table has been moved up. Intel has announced they will skip certain Broadwell processors and move straight to Skylake.

This was posted yesterday, January 6th, 2015.