When are the new Alienwares with Maxwell coming?

For the newer generation processors not providing spectacular performance to their older bretheren... This is what happens when a business begins to run a monopolistic approach to the market, amd is meanwhile floundering on all their respective fields from what we can mostly see in the market, their apu's god... they compare their flagship apu's to ulv i5s and i3s like i mean come on.. sad as it is if i was a higher up at intel, i too would be selling miniscule generational improvements in cpu's too because there is no competition so why pressure yourself so much when you make the same profit?

Money talks at the end of the day.

 

Such cool videos. Let's make even cooler systems, shall we? Next time, Alienware... Next time.

 

Maybe this isn't the right post to quote, but on the subject of energy, believe it or not nuclear energy is actually the most sustainable, and the cleanest in terms of raw pollution output. But of course the general public (understandably) has a general aversion to anything nuclear, and incidents like Three Mile Island, Chernobyl and Fukushima don't exact help the image.

 

It's not necessarily the right place, but it does relate to the conversation regarding the social popularity of junk science driving the garbage we see being produced in computer world. Society tends to let the really important stuff slide and burn too many calories on building a "religion" based on one-off scenarios. We can apply this to many things. Nuclear power phobia and the anti-gun movement are both examples of foolish hysteria fueled by people with an agenda. It doesn't help that we have a top-down example of governments that function based on optics rather than being rooted in reality. Only fools would buy into BGA being an answer to a problem that doesn't actually exist. Somebody, or a group of somebodies, stand to make a lot of money by declaring the sky is falling and we are all going to die because socketed CPUs take too much power. To MickyD1234's point, their existence has no justification. There is no excuse for their position or agenda to even exist in the first place... all lies based on smoke and mirrors invented to grease the palms of the liars, but a force to be reckoned with because of "believers" that drank the Kool-Aid and need something special to give them a sense of purpose in life and help them feel important.

 

Totally agree Mr fox! Too many people believe the sky-is-falling-in and vote accordingly. We are a minority and need protection, like that's going to happen.

The only shame is that when nuclear power goes wrong it happens big-time.

Feeling a little better about going so far O/T now a mod has joined in, haha

 

I am a tree hugger! shoot me! shoot me! lol

Just kidding guys.

This being my first AW, I dont really care BGA or not.
I just really wanted to get an AW as I finally can afford it.

I also have a desktop rig for gaming but it looks like the AW 15 I ordered will be more powerful lol.

I got an idea, now that Intel is producing low powered castrated CPUs isnt it time for AMD to shine?
Is AMD also subject to the same environmental restrictions bugging Intel?

For OC enthusiast, perhaps AMD can produce CPUs that are meant to be water cooled =)
Lets see where that leads us to =)

 

It is not possible to compare apples and bananas. This is a pc or Laptop..HaHa. Is it legal to sell a current bulky desktop with triple(4) gtx980, triple(6) hdd and one i7-5960x processor with total electricity consumption of over 1100-1500w in Europe, then it is also allowed to sell a laptop with extreme processor and gtx980m sli that might use a efekt at 350-650w. No forcing Dellienware to stop selling a powerful laptop with proper hardware and not BGA garbage ..

 

Then you might as well buy a MSI, Asus or another ing gaming laptop with soldered hardware. MSI's gaming laptop is at least upgradable (graphics card) also in addition MSI delivers laptop with (normal)power supply on the whole 230W instead of Alienware's Crippled 180w ..

 

It's just the start - get the consumers used to restrictions. A laptop is a very different animal to a desktop. A lappy is a one box, one PSU solution and easy to legislate for. A desktop (home build) contains many parts from different suppliers so the 'huggers target the factories. No one is forcing the issue ATM it's just the way of the future - unless the backlash can stop them.

They like the idea of battery cars so the single worst car for total carbon footprint and environmental damage - the Prius, is a popular choice. Yes it's the most efficient final product but all that nickel and cadmium (mining, smelting, transporting) more than negates the savings for the environment. But the mindset is created of 'social responsibility'.

Damn those role models in the entertainment industry .

 

(Yes, and even buying a new car simply because it is actually more efficient & green than your old gas guzzler is actually less environmentally friendly that continuing to use your old car - the manufacturing of a new car is a HUGE carbon cost in itself, so that's why.)

 

Despite all of this, I went ahead and ordered an Alienware 15. My decision to keep or return it will be based solely on the performance, and whether or not my 240W PSU works. Let's hope they at least left compatibility of power supplies alone. That is (or maybe was?) a great thing about Alienware systems.

Needed something portable. Almost all portable systems these days (new ones) are soldered. Alienware soldered crap is probably still the best.

 

The 17 R2 appears to accept the dell 240w and 330w PSU's and the first 3D mark I have seen shows an improvement with the 240w PSU from an R1. Hope the 15 is the same for you.

Good luck.

 

Wow, in that case it's even more baffling that Dell are offering a measily 180W PSU then - it's clearly not adequate given those test results you referred to!

 

Yeah it's here http://forum.notebookreview.com/alienware-17-m17x/769577-new-alienware-17-3dmark11-results.html but the guy is not too savy on this stuff but he is getting a lot of guidance.

I ordered the touch-screen simply because it's glossy & trulife. A real gaming panel, going to be interesting. It looks like any issue around the 180w PSU is going to hit the fan way before I get my unit. I'll be trying the HDMI-in on my 120hz panel for some subjective testing .

 

Dam, even the people with throttling 980m's are getting higher GPU scores at stock.
Hopefully some drivers can fix that.

 

Hopefully people don't go after those ordering the new systems, it's up to the buyer to choose what meets their needs.

 

Not sure what you mean? If a machine sold as a high-performance gaming laptop and it does not perform without upgrading the PSU then it's a bad design, simple as that.

 

I know at least one of the clevo machines with identical specs also ship with 180watt psu's. Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

 

This throttling sucks for SLI dudes and dedicated dudes but for Optimus dudes like me, throttling is a non-issue... Hopefully drivers fix this soon so everyone is happy..

The 180W PSU is clearly for cost cutting.. The fact of the matter is Clevo are giiving out 180W PSU's with their P650/670 series so why don't we do the same with the new 15/17... That's how Dell are thinking.. They can't cheap out anymore then this...

 

Yes, I'm definitely aware that they would have done it as a 'business' decision, it's just crazy to cut corners on something like a power supply when the proposed power supply is clearly hindering performance, when Alienware are supposed to be all about performance - it's ludicrous and a false economy.

 

All about performance? - ha. How can doing away with a socketed 'extreme cpu' and stuffing a 980m BGA chip (with half the vRam of its MXM brother) into what they consider to be 'better laptops' be considered being all about performance? - wait, then they go even further and cripple it by under-powering it..........

More like 'all about the money'.......perhaps this song could be part of Alienware's new marketing technique! (lyrics between 30s and 1m 20s pretty apt, actually)

 

It's definitely about money, lol.

By the way, whomever reported my coupon sale thread saying it's against the rules: people sell eGift cards all the time. So, your logic is flawed. People can still PM me to purchase them. Signatures are "respectably" outside the rules. Already sold 3.

 

Exactly, that's been the recent increasing trend, they're eroding the value of the brand as a performance king. They started doing it with the A17 & A18, the A17's got poor benchmark performance in comparison to other manufacturers sporting a 780M for instance. That's one example, but I'm sure Mr Fox & others have posted lots of other reasons why the A17 & A18 weren't quite as good as their predecessors as overall platforms for enthusiasts. It's unfortunate, but we can all see it happening.

 

I mean for some people the 15 with a quad mobile cpu and dock may be just what suits their need. If they decide that I hope people don't project their own requirements and go to far.

 

I know that I don't like the prospect of BGA components, and in my heart of hearts I am loathed to even think about considering one..... but I am considering this option, to my astonishment. My 14 was recently stolen in a burglary at home. I was relatively happy with that as my 'needs' were somewhat fulfilled, even thought it had a BGA graphics solution. I upgraded the board to a 765m for fun, mainly....I'd love a MXM monster sli beast again, but not sure I would get the use out of it right now. It will be a huge compromise, and I realise that it as a BGA turd, but who else is offering (for around the same money) anything other than BGA turds???

 

I still can't believe you were robbed. That's horrible... I think complete care warranty covers theft. Did you have it?

 

Nah, I had not long extended the warranty for another 12 months but hardware only. As you know, you can only take out the accidental/theft side of things at the outset of ordering - you can't re-extend that side of things. I guess it's never nice to be a victim of crime, at least myself and family were not involved - thank god. These material things are replaceable, and I will have a settlement for the laptop, monitor and a whole host of other goods that the little buggers took from our home including camera equipment and TV's and jewellery etc.....

 

If you want socket CPU and GPU, Alienware is out of the question. Just buy M18x R2 or AW 18 with powerful CPU and upgrade the GPU to 980m or 970m.

Or do what I did and get the Sager NP9377 S with dual 980m SLI.

I love Alienware and their previous products but not their new line up. They should change their names to Casualware instead.

Please change, Alienware. We need you to go back to your roots. The enthusiasts or PC masteI race roots.

 

Lets not jinx this.. it would be abominable of them to start offering 150w psu's with the next 1000series gpu refresh under the pretext of "more efficient components".

 

Hopefully, they won't come back for another five-finger shopping spree later on. Did you get a security system after this? I wonder if it is someone you know and would not suspect? My kids (all adults) have had things stolen by people they thought were "friends" more than once.

 

You know, some of it might be attributable to being "cheapskates" and there could be a malicious intent to suppress and manipulate performance (and thereby reduce risk of product failure and exposure to warranty claims). But, that might be giving more credit for intelligence than what is deserved. The way things are in so many areas of business, across multiple industries, I wonder if it is not mostly symptomatic of technical incompetence, lack of R&D and simply not caring enough to spend any money to make sure it works right. We are literally surrounded by incompetent "professionals" and it's very sad. Lack of accountability, too. NVIDIA said that would probably be good enough, so it's their fault it didn't turn out right. It can't be our fault. All we did is follow instructions. We shouldn't have to spend our money to check their work, even though the product has our name on it.

Anyhow, the question of when has already come and gone. Maxwell is here now, in all of its gimped BGA glory, and it's not what we expected or wanted from Alienware.