Where are the nVidia GeForce GTX 780M?

UK's EDD dropped to 26/9/13 for the third config AW18 from Oct 13. Also my sales' rep EDD dropped from 12/10 to 02/10 -I dunno why he gets a later date.

 

Those are not second rate. Those are great cards, especially for the price, and where they came in, last summer competing with the 680m's.
You might be the type of person who should possibly wait a year before upgrading, if money is of concern.
Not telling you what to do, just a thought what would be casual/normal for an enthusiast ... especially if your looking for that jump.

 

Why would 880m be 70% faster then 780m?
BTW Fab process have done nothing for Intel the last years.

32nm--> 22nm about 5% speed increase. And that is with 3D gates.

Nvidia makes most money from compute graphics cards. The Titan/GTX 780 is a rebadged compute card. And making mobile compute cards is impossible because of power.

The 680/680m was a Fermi without compute. Lets hope Nvidia can make a 780GTX without compute and sell it as 780m. (or a Maxwell core without compute. Desktop maxwell have an ARM core = compute oriented)

We would be lucky to see 30% increase in speed in 880m.

(and isn't it fun that iMacs 680MX is till faster then 780m. )

 

I doubt NVIDIA will release yet another generation with minimal gains over the previous. It will also be a new architecture, so, I bet we will see at least 30% - 50% over the 780M. Plus, if Maxwell is everything it is rumored to be, it wouldn't make sense to have a very substantial increase in processing power and minimal increases in graphics. The market usually trends... With Haswell we see 10% over Ivy Bridge, and about the same with the 700M series cards. So, I would say it's safe to assume the 880M will be a very nice mobile GPU.

 

Yea, at stock it won't go higher than that. But any decent overclock will easily push it to 90C. They're very hot cards and draw a ton of power.

 

Sounds like what people were saying before the GTX 680M and 7970M came out. If it were to take Nvidia 2 years to produce a 30% increase in performance over GK104, they've failed as a GPU manufacturer. Do you even realize what you're predicting?

Of course we'll see the same gains as the desktop 800 series. Notebook parts are desktop parts people. The 880M will be selected from a desktop 800 series part first, just like the 780M, 680M, 580M...

 

Fab processes have done nothing? Nope, they have had massive power gains and been concentrating the transistor count towards the IGPU.

Now look at the latest Xeons compared to the ones before, it's a big increase.

Intel are not focusing on raw CPU speed in the consumer segment because AMD is no competition there.

 

Its a heck more than 5% gain if you compare 32nm (sandy bridge) vs 22nm (Haswell) CPUs.

Compare 2920XM against 4930XM for example. Its 3.7GHz vs 3.9GHz. Then we add about 7% better clock for clock. So in reality it is 3.7GHz vs 4.15GHz. Almost 500MHz more.
Then it is the IGP which Intel concentrated most on. I dont know how much performance % it is in difference, but its huuuge.

All that with the 4930XM have a measly 2W higher TDP.

Nvidia on the other hand can only concentrate on GPU performance since its just a GPU. So you can imagine what you gain when going from 28nm to 20nm

 

we're close to the limitation of the current way we create IC on a silicon board.. its a chemistry thing.. molecularly too small... there will be exponentially degrading amount of improvement as we go further in, however, there will be sweet spots where things just "fit" WHICH OCCASIONALLY IS A SMALL MIRCACLE

they make these wafers... and use 100+nm technology / lenses to laser blast / cut grooves into the wafer... (like a magnifying lens, but in reverse, shrinking the beams/ sort of like how we burn ants..)

the reason we use silicon is.. well, ever see a dimond's molecular structure ? its perfect, with so many tight connections.. silicon is makes a shape that represents the points on a cube... and everything electrically works inbetween...

ever make a cube from sticks and small puddy to bond the sticks... well everything has to float inside... and not touch the little corners of the cube... going smaller, doesn't always help, as it might not hold properly.. and sometimes, things can cause odd collisions...

expecting 880m's next year to blow our minds, might be pushing it... did anyone read up on how disastrous 22nm technology has been ? Theres warehouses filled to the brim with nand tech based on 22nm tech... all not worthy of what it was intended for, i.e IC for RAM... then the next best thing, next gen SSD's (this is why both have not made much in terms of advancement in a few years) so.. now they are trying to pawn most of it off for IC for things like usb sticks or crap like EEPROMS...

althought they stretched 21nm and made it work... and some small breakthrtoughs are happening, its slow and not as anticipated, and is starting to break Moores law.. at least one interpretation of it...(if you follow that stuff, haha)

GDDR3 ram specifically... is REALLY good... we're talking the best of the best of the best IC out there.. and its a few years perfected before we see it.. since 22nm hasn't made its mark yet, you can eliminate seeing it soonish in GPU's for IC , at least in en mass..

however, my information might also be outdated, can only keep up with so much every night...

I would say, don't wait up. Get 680m's. Or 780's if you want the best for the next long haul... last year the 680's were out sooner in the year then the 780m's.. so expect things might be slowing down. AMD hasn't even released their counterpart yet even... another sign of difficulty. (or marketing)

 

Cloudfire, I typically don't compare stock clocks against stock clocks because I don't use my Alienware systems with the CPU or GPU running at stock clock speeds. It's certainly a valid comparison for someone that does run everything stock, but it becomes less relevant for those that do not. Ivy runs hotter than Sandy and Haswell runs hotter than Ivy. Die shrinkage is a double-edged sword in many cases. A less efficient cool-running CPU that doesn't encounter a thermal throttle is going to outperform a "more efficient" processor that throttles due to heat when overclocked. It's a balancing act that sometimes has slightly different real-world results when systems are pushed toward their functional limits.

I agree with woodzstack that 22nm isn't the silver bullet everyone hoped it would be. I'm not going to be excited about another die shrink until I see stronger evidence that 22nm is something to be excited about.

I am still finding Haswell Extreme CPU overclocking performance to be a bit more difficult to harness due to its thermal challenges and increased power demands compared to Ivy and Sandy Extreme CPUs. Haswell behaves differently to say the least, and sometimes the behavior is not appreciated. (Sort of like the nifty NVIDIA GPU boost feature - performance improves when it is disabled in the vBIOS.) All of the extra Haswell power settings and dynamic clocking behaviors might eventually add great value once their poorly documented purposes are understood, and ways to effectively tweak and exploit them are exposed. These are somewhat of an impediment to have to fart around with at this early stage in the game. It's kind of sad that Intel hasn't published a comprehensive guide for overclocking the Haswell Extreme CPU. Since they have not, it's going to take a lot more user trial and error to realize the full potential. Some folks are going to find it frustrating and more trouble than it's worth.

 

Its coming to the point, that before we start seeing smaller cpu's we're going to start seeing them soldered into the motherboards instead, providing the cpu's with a more solid rugged way of operating and controlling its variables, like heat and power etc..

this part of the enthusiast market might dwindle and start focusing on south bridges and controllers and going back to machine coded programming/ tweaking before another evolutionary change.. but maybe not... its actually hard to predict...

but like all things, expect some backward things coming and being improved...

as for what this has to do with 780m's... all they did was make the same gk104 chips, smaller and made them slower (manufactured them more carefully) to eliminate small inconsistencies so they could keep the same architecture but enable all cores...

thus, their manufacturing process and time, is slower, even though the technology has been there for 3 years and being used... we're arriving at a point were on the molecular level, electrons are passing the insulative material and chemically bonding with it in other cases, making it conductive instead... when being made using the same proven processes.

most this you can blame on the older equipment being used to make the newer equipment. think of it as a caveman using a rock to chisel out a hammer.. but then getting really good at it, and trying to make a better hammer, over and over, form the same trusty rock.. eventually he will have to use the hammer he created and make a finer tool using that, but then more delicacy and timing and precision has to be learnt. he fails more often and breaks more of the finer tools then he used to doing the same trusty maneuvers he did before to chisel the first hammers..when using the rock..

so he needs to re-invent himself, or maybe go back to the previous hammers he made, and add features that are instead finely tuned by using the newest tools available.. in the end, the blunt part of what he originally created is better then the latest hammer, but the latest hammer might have special edges to cut or remove nails ! maybe it has better palm grips, looks more esthetically pleasing and is ergonomically correct in left or right hands, is balanced and feels like an extension of ones arm - but as for the blunt sheer power - he now needs to go back to using a rock.... but that's all just for the base/leg work of larger constructions now, most of the real tooling he does is finer work these days as his tools are smaller and more useful, and can be carried over larger distances and used on the fly to help him with more varied everyday tasks...

 

It's called binning actually

 

This. They don't make them more slowly, they just bin more strictly. There are still troves of these things with poor binnings being produced for low end cards.

 

Has anyone received their laptop who ordered a 780M recently?

I ordered my AW18 on July 30 and just yesterday I got an email saying my order has been delayed to 9/18/2013

I'm just wondering if they are sending out any laptops at all right now or if everyone is having to wait. I really hope they get a shipment of 780M's soon; the wait is killing me.

 

Mine got delayed for the 2nd time, until September 5th.

 

EDD 1st of October, 32 days away!

Also noticed that while the US site seems to have stopped offering the 780m on their configurations, the UK site still offers it which I find a bit odd.

 

Heh, delayed once, EDD Oct 3rd!!! Ordered Jul 31st...Just waiting to see the "Partially shipped" on my status page.

 

Also of note, I just had to give my consent that they keep the order or it would have been canceled. You can do this by viewing your order at Dell.com.

 

I'm going to be ordering another system soon. I hope to see the 780's in stock within the next couple weeks. I'm considering ordering two PC's - the 14 (for class/on-the-go gaming) and either a maxed 17 or 18. The rep who handled my previous order said if you order more than one system, you get the second for a great price... We will see how "great" it is and that will determine whether I get both, or just one. It still probably won't be as good as those of you who had that 30% off mystery coupon!

As of now, the estimated "ship date" for a system with 780M(s) is October 1st.

 

18 or get out.

 

First time I hear about this "get one - get one half price" deal! Is it US only?

As between 17 and 18: 18.

 

The problem with getting the 17 vs the 18 if you are contemplating both...is after you get the 17, you'll continue to look longingly at the 18 and wished you went with that one...Doubtful that after the 18, you'd want the 17 considering you are already planning to get the 14 as a maybe a more mobile option.

 

I didn't say, "buy one get one half off," LOL. I wish...

As for 17 vs 18: it will come down to what deals are available, at least for me. I'll try my best to negotiate with them for the 18.

 

Ahh I guess I read wrong! It is still morning for me

I got the 17 and while it rocks, after a week or two, it makes you crave for more performance Plus the better cooling system, screen and resale value makes the extra money worth it IMO.

 

Let us know how it goes, but I have my doubts whether the rep can really do anymore than normal for people buying more than 1 system. You'd think they could, but I haven't seen it occur too often. I'd be surprised if it was anything more than 10-15% off...so I wouldn't get my hopes up too much.

 

Have you put your tweaking hat on though? You can get a lot out of a 780M.

 

Nope, only some really light OC. I won't bother as I am returning the AW17, mainly due to other issues at the end of the week adn got an AW18 ordered...

 

today marks 1 full month been waiting since they redid the order that got cancelled from their systems in june/july.... 74th day waiting for my machine... only I 've paid three months of bills for it so far... still think this is bad practice IMO.

however, I remain vigilant that it should be here after the long weekend we have...sometime this week...

 

Did anyone else's order just disappear from Dell's system? I can't access mine anymore, it looks like they cancelled it.

EDIT: Well after being unavailable by phone or website for at least a few hours, it has suddenly reappeared and is still in-production.

 

Still under production here as well

 

My case manager just called me and said my system is in the final stages and should ship within the next 24-48 hours.

 

Same thing exactly as I got.

Dear Brant,

I am very pleased to inform you that we have built your Computer and it has cleared the testing stage. We are awaiting the Computer to reach our Shipping Office in USA. We are expecting to ship your Computer within 5 business days. We will contact you when your Computer ships. Now, I will not recommend you to cancel and reprocess the order.

 

you got calls today ? hmm interesting, either of you able to tell me which system spec you opted for and when you placed the order... I have had no word yet, but this last order started 1st of july. It was for the maxed out AW 18 , you know extreme core, dual 780m quad play ssd... etc..

 

I ordered the Alienware 17 in my sig on july 30th, then august 4th for a pricing error and that was an email I received, not an actual phone call.

 

I just checked my order status and it says that my computer shipped out today

I ordered a 4930MX with dual 780Ms.

 

Great to hear! That means NVIDIA finally shipped some 780M's and the stock is slowly being replenished. I hope to see them available in lower configurations before October.

 

Me to cause I want the system with the 4930mx CPU and dual 780m but I don't need the quad SSD's seeing that I already have 2 from my older system.

 

my plan is to sell the three SSDs (keep the mSATA though) and stick a blu-ray drive in it and maybe get the Samsung 840 EVO 1TB with the money from selling the SSDs

 

but when did you order . . .

 

I originally ordered it on July 30th to take advantage of the 30% off coupon. My order got canceled for some reason and had to reorder it on August 5th.

 

Mine just shipped as well, I should have it real soon.

I ordered on July 31st.

 

yet your guys orders are shipped and mine is not yet . . that's annoying... save for this guy who ordered 1 day before me.... lucky guy... guess I was bumped through the long weekend.

 

Mine had priority because I returned one.

 

mines a replacement... and my original order was a 2200$ m18x-r2 I bought a year ago... though the replacement was supposed to be here by 8th of july.. its been almost 3 months, 2 months of wasted orders that kept cancelling. Im technically getting a great upgrade, as its the fully maxed out 18 they're giving me...

Most of the issue on why they ended up upgrading me so severly is because they kept being late and making mistakes and false promises. Well, it does at least look however, like Im going to be getting it this week for sure then.

 

Well, you guys are lucky. Mine shows no change.

Ordered on July 31st.

 

Got a call from a rep tonight, was told current ETA for my laptop was 9/30. This is for a system replacement that I originally called with issues on 8/4. The replacement order was put in on 8/24.

 

well I hope that means Nvidia has been able to get some shipments of 780m's out the door and maybe I'll get my AW17 laptop before the new EDD of 10/4....I ordered on July 31st as well. I would assume that "returns" that others posted about and souped up AW18's get priority but man....waiting 2 months for a laptop to get built feels like forever

 

It seems like there are a lot of 770's available and not very many 780's. I guess the bean counter who decided to tell the engineering team to produce more 770's at Nvidia is looking for a new job right about now. In no way can you blame Dell for the mix-up that stretches across all manufactures, but it sure creates a bind up in the ordering....return/reordering process. Some things never change.

 

The 780M's are back and being offered on lower configurations, at least for the AW18! Estimated ship date is showing 9/17/2013.

 

Looks like it is also being offered again on the mid range AW17. I hope they can get through the queue quickly.