Where are the new Alienwares?

Any supporting evidence?

 

Even if 1080 would fit..., Dellienware's nice max power cap around 330w would stop you.

 

I just got a confirmation for an alienware rep that alienware will release the new GPU's along with the release of the new intel kaby lake processors.
About those CPU's we might get some news as Intel Developer forum is currently ongoing (16th - 18th august).

Now all I need is the combination of a GTX 1080 combined with one of the new 120Hz laptop G-sync monitors, and I'm sold.

 

http://en.community.dell.com/dell-b...th-nvidia-pascal?dgc=SM&cid=544&lid=546661330

"And trust us – Pascal may be the beginning of the story but it’s certainly not the end of it."

does that mean we're going to finally get that Alienware tablet we've been waiting for?

 

no mentioning of an 18" model

 

Nor any apology for, nor commitment to stop, selling only crippled BGA turdbooks. Just more of the same junk. But, exactly what I expected. They no longer share our values and they don't care what people like us want. No point in prolonging your agony. Time to abandon the sinking ship and grab a Clevo monsterbook. The P870DM-G with 6700K and 200W GTX 980, or the new P870DM3 with 6700K, 1080 SLI and 64GB of DDR4-3000 purchased from a @Prema Partner shop will completely annihilate anything Alienware ever has, or ever will, offer for sale in a notebook. It was hard for me to accept their failure, but I have moved on and I can assure you I am missing nothing at this time. I seriously doubt you will regret making the same decision. You owe it to yourself to move on and stop believing they will eventually make things right. They're not going to. This is not the same company we used to love. That company is dead now.

 

Harsh, sad, and true...

P870DM3 is where my bet is on

 

Unfortunately Clevo also does not offer 18" models anymore.

 

And, neither does Alienware. All that remains today are remnants of what was once truly amazing.

While that is sad and true, the quality of Clevo's 17 inch displays is very good and now includes 120Hz 5ms FHD IPS and 120Hz UHD with pending G-STINK license forthcoming (ransom paid by Clevo, processing pending with NGREEDIA) for those that care about that.

 

Better G-Stink than problems with AMD Freesync. They should adapt VESA Adaptive v-sync to make it cross-gpu.

I can't find any reliable information. Only thing that G-sync does is removing screen tearing?

 

I think that is the intent, rather than screwing other things up like v-sync does. G-STINK works fine for me and produces a smooth product, but I personally don't care for it. I leave it disabled because it limits framerates and I'm not particularly sensitive to screen tearing. I prefer higher framerates. G-STINK definitely needs to be turned off for benchmarks. It causes a pretty nasty hit on benchmark scores. People that like it swear by it and I can understand why they might. I'd be just as glad to not have it so I don't have to disable it manually.

 

This is because Gsync in in a laptop is basically the same as the desktop amd freesync which is the same as the Vesa sync standard. The range is is set by the monitor in which it can Vsync. Something like 48fps till 75fps for many monitors in current laptops. So it will Vsync between that range. If you can go higher than 75fps in a benchmark it will be capped at 75fps causing the performance hit. For gaming it is nice though. But it is nowhere near the performance on a desktop Gsync setup. Desktop monitors actually house a separate Nvidia board & scaler that is hardware accelerated and the range is much higher.

 

I didn't found screen tearing annoying for me too. I barely notice it. I always turn v-sync off because it lags input and limit FPS by RTSS. Works in 99,9% of games.

 

At the current state, I don't see Clevo that much different than Alienware. The P870DM was looking VERY promising, but Clevo kneeled before nGREEDIA. Now a supposed future proof machine that costs more than a good used car is left in the dust. Also I don't see a promise that they'll keep the current GPU form factor for years to come. So why shelling the money? I hate what Alienware has turned into, but so does Clevo. There's literary NOTHING on the market right now that you can freely buy and count on it to get at least one GPU upgrade down the road.

Yeah, count on nGREEDIA to have something open and standard. They ditched MXM, which was THE ONLY open and standard thing they had. As for the underlying technology, it's not that much different, actually it's the same, just the implementation is different, but that's a long story.

 

The picture is much larger than Clevo. Clevo is a pretty large supplier. However there are way more companies involved here that has helped the movement to BGA. In the long run its easier for nvidia to produce non "m" chips. As long as the new standard is in fact the standard for a longtime like mxm was then we should see the new form factor as the standard for a while. If they can produce these desktop cards and make them reliable in mobile platforms then it is better for laptops users performance wise. In theory it should help bring prices down since they aren't producing a whole new set of chips for laptops, sorta. If they can make this the new standard for high end enthusiast for he next few years then we will have better performance than we have ever seen. Hopefully this isn't a temporary stop to end all slotted cards and go BGA only. The oems have to come up with ways to keep them cool.

Surely if these up to the high end laptop maker like Clevo they would have kept the format the same, it surely would be in their best interest. They either have to go with he flow or close up. Hopefully they *****ed a moaned atleast on our behalf.

 

Most of the past Nvidia chips where the exact same chips as the desktop boards as well. but tuned differently. SO it didnt cost them a lot anyway. This is pure marketing.

 

They were binned. The better ones were picked for notebooks and the best ones for Quadros.

Can you safely say that it would be for the good? Let's take a look at a previous transition - grIntel. Tell me, can a 6820HK hold a candle to 39x0XM, even 29x0XM? Do the notebooks that run desktop chips get any special treatment? On both questions the answer is no, so we ended-up with worse products and NO binning what-so-ever. It's cost-cutting 101. Have you seen the cooling required for these new GPUs? As for the CPUs they are chocked to death with the power limit. Why do you think that GPUs would be any different? The worse part, I don't see any of the cost cutting translating into the mobile (talking about the newly released 10xx GPUs).

 

Check the floating point performance. A 6700hq smokes a desktop 2600K overclocked to 4.5ghz and higher in this regards. The HK is even faster. The different between a 4ghz clocked HK is 15% slower than a desktop 6700K

 

A 15% variance is unacceptable until one realizes this is an apples to oranges comparison. HK can't handle 4.7 (or anything similar) so that's only a small piece of the problem. The gap in performance widens exponentially as the stunted capacity of HK (and other BGA) CPUs begins to bubble up to the surface. For folks that don't care it's not a big deal. For those that do, it sucks. Folks that opt for BGA should be fine as long as they fully understand that they are choosing a mainstream consumer option that is not an enthusiast product. If they don't expect it to be anything more than that and it meets their needs, then that is wonderful for them and there is nothing wrong with that. Unfortunately, this stuff is frequently marketed in such a deceptive manner that appears to be something it is not.

I just feel bad for those that don't know any better and think they are buying something they are not. That's not a good deal for them. Pretending it is almost as good looking only at stock clocks and ignoring lack of potential to achieve far better than stock results can be misleading to those with higher expectations. Assuming anything because it it bears a Core i7 label or an Alienware, MSI or ASUS ROG label is a huge mistake.

But, I guess we can always say it's their fault for not doing their homework or firmly establishing their expectations and criteria before loading their shopping cart.

This is where guys like Brother @D2 Ultima add a lot of value to discussions. I know he tries very hard to get people to understand the big picture and take time to contemplate the implications of their buying decisions. I really like that he does that. As long as people keep an open mind and look objectively at the information they are presented with, nobody gets their knickers in a twist. Instead of being objective, too many times people get offended and scramble to make excuses for stunted performance when using consumer products in a scenario where they have enthusiast expectations.

 

I dont agree with that. The HK for example is clocked in the current Alienware laptops around 4.3 for plenty of users on this forum. This is incredible for a 45watt tdp cpu. The 6700K is double that TDP and only performs less than 20% better in benchmarks even with a slight overclock.

For its energy efficiency it is just a quick performer.

For me it is really apple to oranges comparisons because pretty much all BGA cpu's are smaller machines which cannot run desktop CPU's just due to the sheer size and portability purposes. It would become a whole different story in my opinion when they plant a BGA cpu in a pure DTR. You simply cant have it all. There is always a tradeoff. But apart from static benchmarks all curent BGA core I7 quadcores will not hamper the videogames played on in any way even with the upcoming 1080 cards. So for the purpose gaming it is more than adequate.

That old CPU's perform just as good when overclocked is not true though. I said that too just months ago. After carefully testing floating point performance. A mediocre Core I5 beats out the highest end early heavily overclocked I7's in those regards but you cant really upgrade it because the new chipset architecture differences. So just as the current MXM changes, the socket changes as well and kinda ruins the purpose of being able to upgrade it. It is easy to repair yes. You can upgrade it with a cpu from the same generation. But you cant move beyond that architecture.

 

Oh yeah, what about the samples that are below that? Some can't even hit 3.8GHz in a well cooled machine (and I mean really better than whatever most have)! That's pretty wide range, that was never the case before. Percentage wise, don't get me started.

The sockets are useless because grIntel and partly manufacturers made it so. What? You think that they plan their products one at a time and can't foresee how the socket should be like? Yeah, give me a break. Every AMD AM socket was a BIOS away from getting a + behind and be compatible with newer CPUs. It was the case with Sandy and Ivy, but the manufacturers were unwilling to provide BIOS. Then again the hub (South bridge if you will) is different as well, so this one is in grIntel's garden. New motherboards and machines must be sold you know.

MXM varies, because it was never really a standard, most manufacturers did whatever they liked, as this was by standard, but all is "good", it's gone now, just like sockets, so you can sleep well tonight.

I was obviously talking about quality, it would've been ridiculous if the 2xxx chip performed better than a 6xxx chip. The fact is that once the chips went soldered, the performance is all over the place. You can't say for certain that this chip would give a consistent performance, even within same model laptop. Again, that was never the case.

 

Plenty of users run 4.3 GHZ all 4? Please show me benchmarks from those plenty users!! Wprime 1024M, XTU bench and Cinebench R11.5/R15. Also show me 3DM11, Fire Strike, Sky Diver and the last one from Futuremark the new Time Spy. All from 4.3 GHz or higher on all 4 cores!! I can't remember seen a single benchmark from those Plenty Aw users who you talking about. I use Hwbot and Futuremark database but can't find it. Enlighten me on this.

Edit. This is eg the best Wprime 1024M I could find for a so called 4.2 GHz and not 4.3 GHz from Alienware user @iunlock on Hwbot. Not even done from 4.0 GHz
Please post numbers,whatever you will find from 4.3 Ghz or higher clockspeed done from an Aw "Echo" in the tread!! Thanks...!!

 

"For me it is really apple to oranges comparisons because pretty much all BGA cpu's are smaller machines which cannot run desktop CPU's just due to the sheer size and portability purposes."
https://www.usenix.org/legacy/event/hotpower10/tech/full_papers/LeSueur.pdf


15.6" / 6700K / GTX 1070
http://www.eurocom.com/ec/specs(384)ec
Weight: 2.92kg / 6.45 lbs w/ battery
BGA is heavier than LGA in the same form factor.

15.6" / 6700HQ / 980M
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Alienware-15-R2-Notebook-Review.153808.0.html
Weight
3.11 kg ( = 109.7 oz / 6.86 pounds)

 

Rather put it this way... About 90 to 99% of all laptop models from most brands use BGA. This means just about all of the large machines... About all possess BGA **** !! Tragic...!!

 

Soldered or non soldered doesnt have any effec ton the chip quality itself. THere are ofcourse some duds out there for both platforms. Next saturday I even must help a friend out trying to overlock his 2600K because he cant get it about 4ghz. While most can get it above 4.5ghz easily on liquid cooling.

And true they dont need to indefinitely support an older platform. But it does render the upgrade argument a bit moot. On the other hand though the 201X platform is running quite a long time now. A very clear upgrade path.

iUnlock ran 4.3 ghz. he made a whole thread about it. Some cant reach 4.1ghz though. Depends the thermal paste a lot. Its sitll an impressive clockspeed for a 45watt TDP cpu no matter how you try to turn it. Not every user post their results with HWbot and CInebench.

Oh nice a new machine. Is this one of the MSI barebones? Anyway indeed a nicely done machine. Up until I saw the mere 2 hour battery runtime. Again cant have it all. I get up to 8 hours out of it. SO yeah this one machine is small though for what it houses (would love to check the build quality too by the way). BUt it trades battery life for performance.

 

Stop trolling m8. Any 2600K can do 4.0 GHz really ez with a lot of headroom for overclocking.

LOL. Don't know if you mind but if you raise clock the TDP doesn't matter as CPU will run much hotter because YOU'VE CHANGED THE CLOCK(weird isn't it?). TDP represents stock heat value that laptop manufacturer need to design cooling for. Just check power draw after OC. You made my day

xD. If you want to sit on battery buy ultrabook because even if you try to game with 980M on battery it will downclock...

 

The 1070 will consume more than the 980M, but you can scale down the 6700K to the 6700HQ levels when not gaming or if the game doesn't need high cpu power ( DotA2/LoL). You can more or less predict the power consumption with the formula in the usenix link.

Yeah, TDP represents the power consumption on full load at base frequency according to Intel.

 

Apparently not.

http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php/748851-i7-2600k-cant-overclock-it-to-4ghz-anymore
http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=219396 < shows not all are extreme good overclockers

No **** sherlock, The same goes for a 95watt TDP cpu. So your point? THe fact still is that a 45tdp cpu does more with less than the 95tdp cpu. The 6700K is not twice as fast on stock levels than the 6820HK and does not suddenly pull 95watts when overclocked to 4.3ghz.

I dont use my laptop only for gaming. I earn money with it.

You where unable to continue our previous argument so you try it here with something new?

 

The 1070 will not draw more power outside a videogame than a 980M. Als within a videogame if they cherry picked the GPU compared to its desktop coutnerparts in terms of power draw. Still the laptop mentioned only has an average battery life of 2 hours compared to the 8 of the current Alienwares. Which is nice to have if you use it for outside gaming. When it comes to gaming no laptop can hold its own for more than 2 hours unfortunately. If it could, it would make my long flights much more bearable.

 

No difference between socket vs BGA in chips quality? Show me a BGA chips that can run stock voltage with 4.5/4.6 GHz!!

Here we go..., A few benchmarks done by @iunlock
None of them is done with 4.3 GHz or higher. Either throttling or lower clockspeed than 4.3 GHz!! More like 4.0 and up to 4.1 GHz.
If plenty of Aw owners claim that they run 4.3 GHz... Why can you say this is correct without proof?
And no one have managed 4.3 GHz or higher in Futuremark's benchmarks with AW BGA machines as I know!!
As I said in previous post. Not a damn benchmark is done perfectly fine with 4.3 GHz or higher with an AW " Echo" machine!! When you make claims... Show what you have or stop coming with incorrectness!!

http://hwbot.org/submission/3217488_iunlock_wprime___1024m_core_i7_6820hk_2min_34sec_0ms

http://hwbot.org/submission/3117066_iunlock_xtu_core_i7_6820hk_1388_marks

http://hwbot.org/submission/3117050_iunlock_cinebench___r15_core_i7_6820hk_892_cb

 

Are you blind? Obviously. It's clearly stated in the thread what MHz the benches were done at. I specified this. Learn how to read.

How are you going to feel when a potential and likely bga Dellienware with Pascal beats your Clevo? Face it...your rig is getting obsolete.

Will you be buying a D3 1080 SLI? Hmmm... I'll wait for you to answer and if you say that you are, take a picture of it to show proof.

You're bga ranting is running dry mister. Hang it up already. It has gotten old a long time ago.

You remind me of a kid with low self esteem that have to keep putting others down to make yourself feel better.

Pascal > What you have.

 

OK let's go with that - when non-soldered you can just swap the chip. It wont render a laptop you just shelled $2000 or more useless, or at least not performing up to your expectations. Getting another chip is a lot cheaper than getting a new machine. Also there's the possibility to get cheap config and then add the CPU you want down the road. So even though you might be locked within same socket, you still had the choice to upgrade later on. I did that quite a few times. There was a thread the one can make run 1066MHz FSB CPUs in a 800MHz machine (both Socket P) and then there was that mod that same 800MHz machine could run a quad core, which some 1066MHz machine weren't able to do (requires more or less the same modification). I can't and I WONT buy each new model, just because manufacturers want me to, even if I had the money.

 

XTU bench run with 4.07 GHz, Wprime 1024M with less than 4.0 GHz(massive throttling), Cinebench R15 with around 4.0 GHz. Look in my sig and see correct bench scores with correct clockspeed. It is very easy to calculate the correct clockspeed in different bencmarks when you have results that match the reality!! A certain clockspeed will give a bench number who will match 100%. As I said to @rinneh where are the proof for 4.3 GHz benchmarks with AW "Echo"? A simple Wprime 32M? LOL

 

And your point is? Duh? It's obvious as it's already been stated and clearly on the benches themselves.

You act like it's some big secret that has been unfolded that there are throttle issues. Obviously. Even with your Clevo...

Seriously, grow up.

 

I only responded on incorrect Overclock!!! @rinneh said plenty Aw owners run 4.3 GHz. This without a proof. You was the big proof that this was correct!! Sorry if you didn't bother to read those posts!!

 

You know because you have participated in that thread there is a tutorial by iUnlock on this very forum on hwo to reach 4.3ghz. Look in your post history BUt true he seems to have some instability issues at highe roverclocks as the 4.6ghz he mentioned. Does it matter a lot though. 4.2GHZ is still a mighty fine overclock for a machine in this class and shows the efficiency.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-settings-for-4-0ghz-to-4-3ghz-stable.787791/

Not everyone uses HWbot to make a registration of their benchmark score since not everyone is overclocking for sports. I have one of the highest performing 2500K's with 5ghz on air cooling even, but I never submitted any high score to HWbot. However like I said there are enough 6820HK overclocked machines running at 4.3.

BUt granted the machines from a quick google search running at 4.3 are not that common. Confused it with 4.1 but that is still a mightly fine overclock.

 

I shall not twist it. People can read wrong
But if you know the correct numbers in Wprime 1024M, you can easily see massive throttling down to under 4.0 GHz in that bench in his learn to Overclock thread.
I know what the scores should be

I shall not twist more about this!! But correct have to be correct

 

Golden 6820HK can run 4.1, 4.2 and 4.3 stable. Throttle is an obvious issue, but those clocks with a good chip do not BSOD.

My other 17R3 can stay steady at 4.5 and 4.6, but obviously throttle.

The point is...these are impressive for what it is...a mobile 6820HK.

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I only asked for proof that the 6820 BGA chips in Aw machines could manage flawlessly 4.3 GHz. When people claim that plenty of Aw users run that clockspeed. They have to show it. And there shouldn't be a big difference in quality between an unlocked BGA vs 6700K. If 6820 have been good binned... The silicon should managed 4.5 GHz with stock voltage as its desktop brother!! And I haven't seen that yet. Call it what you want. But that chips is not good binned!! Same as all other BGA chips. Sorry..., So it is.

 

Doesnt mean automatically mean throttling if the score is lower (cannot check your attachment btw, attachment not found).

My 5GHZ old Sandy bridge performs lower than my 6700HQ. If the IPC is lower, the score will be lower.

 

How can a mobile CPU made for 45watt tdp run at stock voltage at 4.5GHZ. That is not Apples to Apples. Also you put what I said out of context. I said that a CPU that is made for a 45watt TDP still performs very near a 6700K 95TDP CPU is impressive. It does more PER WATT than it's desktop counterpart.

 

And every socketed chip is "good binned?" - Give me a break...SMH

This is becoming comical.

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I still don't get how he can find any logic in comparing a desktop chip to a mobile chip and call it out like it's even valid? He obviously doesn't understand this and that the point being made here about the performance a mobile 6820HK can put out at half the TDP.

Poor Timmy... I feel sorry for people like that. Really do.

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I would think a down clocked / down volted 6700K don't use much more power than what 6820Hk would use in bench. Just up all power limits, Overclock with same stock voltage and you will see that the power usage will fly to the sky

The 4.2 GHz image you missed in previous post. The score indicate massive throttling, and the clockspeed well under 4.0GHz in that Wprime 1024M stress test.
Still problems with the forum site. Try one more time


Edit. @iunlock Maybe you forgot about that not so nice name calling?

 

edit: these are not my problems, they're on AlienClub today
as usual
anybody here would like to chime in there, help clean up R3's rep, gets these fellas sorted out, be my guest
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Alienware 17-R3, Thermals & throttling at 4.0GHz​

"I imagine this topic has been done to death on here, but it's a nightmare trying to find something relevant given how many variants of AW devices are in existence now. So apologies if this is old news. I've got a 2015 17 R3, 6820HK, 980M 8GB. At the time it was top of the line maxed out.

AW still have on the sales page that their 6820HK can be clocked up to 4.1GHz, I cannot get that and I've yet to see many who can, so I've been running it at 4.0GHz which is close enough. It's not what I thought I was buying though. And the OC level 3 profile in the BIOS blue screens on boot.

However, the thermals are absolutely shocking. The fans scream and after monitoring via HWMonitor, I can see it's thermal throttling so badly that it's spending more time at the 3.0GHz mark than anywhere near 4.0GHz.

So I dialed it back a bit and ran it at 3.7GHz, but even still it's hitting upwards of 97 and throttling down to less than 3.0GHz.

If I disable the OC profile in the BIOS and run stock settings, it runs at around 88 degrees but even under full load will hover around 3.2GHz which isn't acceptable when I bought this unit on strength of the sales pitch of 4.1GHz. I use this for 3D CAD work which is highly clock speed sensitive, so this is really not acceptable.

Anyone got any advice for these units on how to run it around 4.0GHz without it savagely throttling due to thermals? I've read about people suggesting opening it up and re-applying thermal paste... again though that's not something I should have to be doing on a new unit trying to run it within the advertised limits. I appreciate that doesn't leave many options but it's worth an ask".

(For what it's worth, new Bios release Version 1.3.6)​

edit: follow-up response: " Hey, thanks for the reply. I've just updated to that new BIOS and can confirm it still blue screens at OC level 3, WHEA_UNCORRECTABLE_ERROR. The temps didn't get a chance to go high, they hit around 79 before it then blue screened under a moderate amount of CPU load.

My suspicion is that AW have advertised the 6820HK at being able to run at 4.1GHz without validating a wide range of samples, 4.1GHz is looking like a target frequency that only a minority of chips are able to reach".

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Alienware 17 R3 sudden fps drop after 10 min of gaming sometimes more​

"I think this problem may be from thermal throtilling as in my temp while gaming gets really high 70-80 C..I did that diagnostic thing no issues found HELPPPP
I have an I7 6820HQ @2.7GHZ
GTX 980 M 8 GB VRAM
16 GB RAM"

 

Both of my 17R3's ran stable on 4.3GHz out of factory without re-pasting. Do NOT use the in BIOS OC Options-they are useless. Use Intel XTU to dial in a stable 4.3GHz OC.. You'll have to decrease the power to keep the temps down.. Your temps are very high, I don't recall ever hitting over 95c on factory paste.. I have re-pasted since for piece of mind & better performance. Now I run it on 4.0GHz 90% of the time, and rarely (if needed for the task at hand) I'll OC to 4.3GHz++ then back down after completion of said task. The only thing you can do is decrease power to CPU and dial in a good OC setting to keep temps down. Other than that re-paste is a MUST and highly recommended. You may not be able to squeeze out 4.3GHz on factory paste but you should be able to get at least 4.1 if you know what you are doing.

 

repaste and tune the settings yourself. With a good paste job you should have temps not exceeding 80c.

 

That's a quote from the Alienware forums.

 

A repaste is a must. I understand and agree with you though in that it should run fine out of the box. Unfortunately, as with most gaming laptops, if not all, will have thermal issues out of the box unless the user does a proper repaste + repad.

80's, 90's and even 100 is common from factory paste. Sad I know....

I'm in a similar line of work as well as video rendering / editing. ie. ..CPU intensive tasks...

With a proper repaste and replacing your stock thermal pads (optional, but highly recommended) you can achieve these temps as I am on both of my 17R3's.

Grizzly Cpnductonaut + Fujiploy 17.0w/mk Thermal Pads


For more info., click on my signature where it says, "...6820HK.." and it'll link you to the thread.

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Hi. It would be very nice if you could run a couple of bench tests for me with HWinfo64 in the background and put high performance in Windows power plan and not balanced with your 4.3 GHz overclock. Please post the results from those benchmarks in the thread with pictures. A lot of people with 6820Hk will be interested in these bench results. Because there are not many benchmark done with higher than 4.0 / 4.1 GHz. Test also your 4.3 GHz overclock with 3DM Fire Strike / Sky Diver if you have time. Those benchmarks is also free for use. Thanks!!

http://downloads.guru3d.com/CineBENCH-11.5-download-2475.html#download

http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/cinebench-15-download.html

http://www.mediafire.com/download/jbeswno4a4mdiy6/wPrime.exe

http://www.putme.net/wPrime210.zip