Where are the new Alienwares?

I'm currently on vacation in Europe, returning back home September 9th.. Brought my 17R2 4980HQ with me because of the touch screen, the R3's 6820HK are back at home. Normally I leave one of them on for remote access; but am using my Xeon Server instead. Will quote you & post benchmarks when I return.

 

PAX West is when the new lineup will debut.

 

@Papusan @Daniel1983


Occt creates more heat on chip compared to any other benchmark, and is very hard to pass stability test 10+ hours.

I can run aida on my 5820K 1.17v for 24h but crash on minute 3-4 with OCCT

 

The new one for Skylake



The old one for Hotwell

 

The first pascal benchmarks are in. Even the 1060 is faster than a desktop 980. In 1 release all higher end laptops are obsolete when it comes to render power. Nvidia really stepped its game up with this laptop generation.

 

You mean this review? http://www.notebookcheck.net/Nvidia...-1080-SLI-GTX-1070-and-GTX-1060.171566.0.html

 

No a dutch review. But my bad that one was overclocked. Without a little bit more slow. Still impressive.

 

At first blush that sounds super impressive. But, when you realize it is in third place for Pascal it doesn't matter how much better it is since 1070 and 1080 are both better. It's the low budget GPU option. That definitely fills a legitimate need and has a place in the world, but not a good one if performance is high on the priority list.

 

@Mr. Fox you are insatiable. Thank God!

Sent from my overpriced Galaxy S6 Edge +

 

Im might be wrong, but where do you see the benchmarks where the 1060 is beating out the 980. Just curious. The notebookreview link about, every test, its seems to be about the same as a 980.

 

but you can now have 13" laptop with 1060 such as the msi gs43

how well that performs given the thermal constraint is another story though

 

Even more curious is the Razer Core Macbook Pro Design Rip gaming laptop with the 1060...That may shed a lot of light why they are using AMD's, although we already know...

Don't get me wrong, I like the MBP uni-body design for portability and am all for being able to stuff a 1060 in there just because...

 

Like i said after, i came across a dutch test but i didnt notice at first it was overclocked. The vanilla clocked 1060 was just below a 980GTX.

 

Still no word on Pascal refresh, Who's still supporting this brand ? LoL !

Mr Frank (I don't know why can't I tag you), your ******** marketing propaganda and lame excuses did nothing, Ever had a look at MSI / Clevo forums ? You are responsible for this mishap and the death of Alienware, Dell went private ok they are greedy but Alienware had a chance, they were the King but now ? I don't even think they are fit to be called under pauper class, lowest possible filth more than that EVGA / GB ****ty laptops...they also have 10 series machines.

Looking at the gimpomania fest you pulled in the DT scene and the NB scene Alienware as a boutique brand is no more, This post doesn't have any purpose but In order to let people steer away from this false corporation this has to be done. What a mess man you've made true fallacy, calling Desktop processor equipped machines won't work, MXM GPU's to BGA castration paired with Secure Flash to lock us out ? Gimped CFM fans, fan tables while Clevo's latest P870DM3 smokes 3DMark FS at 40K GPU score, 43K run is also there. We should give you an award for the world's "WORST CEO" accompanied by an article showing the Rise and Fall of Alienware, Have the best resources than any corporation but an utter failure !!

 

Errmmm you havent followed the news haven't you?

It was even in the Nvidia slides under the brands list that Alienware will come with 10XX equipped machines and they announced they will present the new range at PAX.

Also EVGA actually created quite the competent chassis with craftmanship that no Clevo can match. If they made a smaller version and there wasnt an AW15 I would have happily bought that machine. The bios on that machine is by the way near perfect. Also you are lauding MXM machines now but basically most of them on the market now cant use any 10XX board since they just changed the formfactor again. Nice huh. So in the end you are in the same boat as any other laptop user with a cheap plastic chassis for a pricepoint that is ridiculous compared to what it is actually housing.

Take a chillpill by the way. They are adapting the company to a market where it is competitive. 99% of all people dont want a huge laptop that is overpriced and is not as high performing as a cheaper desktop.

 

Yeah, I know that Alienware was listed, but where are they while Clevo / MSI / ASUS are grabbing their market share ? Even Acer is announcing the Predator and It looks a ton better than Alienware

Kudos to you people who embraced the BGA, here we (People who care about upgrades) are at the tipping point to switch to HEDT and grab a disposable BGA junk chromebook, And you are wrong, 3.0b machines can still take a 1060 instead of disposing the BGA junk that a gen back had, or if a few users who are brave enough can dremel the chassis to get an MSI 1070

 

I heard like new Alienware will be announced in early Sep, anyone has any more details around this?

 

Nothing yet

 

Sept 2nd 12.:01 AM EST. time

 

Only MSI and Clevo have 10XX laptops actually on the market now that you can order. Most of the others are still preorders and announcements. Clevo is basically a non name on a larger scale. I dont think it matters much when Alienware announces their models next week.

The form factor of all 10XX cards I have seen are non standard sizes. Do you have a link to the 1060 MXM board from MSI that does fit older MXM machines?

 

It doesn't matter at this point, none of the Pascal machines have LVDS in the vBIOS code, so all MXM base systems using LVDS including the M15x, M18x, and non3d M17x and Alienware 17 systems are left in the dark. That's if there isn't a new GOP boot protocol they have put into the vBIOS, which may not boot at all.

Modular portable computing is dead.

 

Yeah, the machines which don't have eDP are dead...and Pascal GPUs need to be hard modded to make it even work in every machine before Pascal, even the P8, P7 clevo series this has to be done because of the EC communication signal to the card to boot, which has to be tricked..
Here's the MXM3.0b, 1060 MSI card. A dark future has shadowed everything...

ASUS machines have already shipped, the G752x machines, GL502 Strix all are here..

And here's the 43K GPU FS with all stock firmware & Pascal throttleboost3.0, the P870DM3 1080 SLI

 

So these were the exact reasons why I never paid the extra premium for an upgradable machine. It has the potential but it is not a sure thing. If I woul dhave bought such a machine a year ago and compromised on portability for upgrade ability i would be next level pissed if I couldnt upgrade it now with the new cards arriving.

Thats why I do desktops next to laptops because it is so much cheaper and upgrading is a sure thing (I hope it stays that way though).

 

Lol, you say as if this was going to happen ? Did you know that M18x R1 / P570WM / Single GPU machines from Clevo & AW / Precision / HP workstation notebooks that came had generations of upgrades....BGA old machines are sucky at best, just fit to trashbins not any less while the socketed machines can have the 1060N, 25% better than 980M at less TDP@80W and OC it to reach atleast a 5-10% less than 1070N. AMD is going to have an MXM this year btw.

Also I came to know that new ASUS G75VW / AW 17 R3 all ship with 6820HK with high voltage at 1.4v for 4GHz while the 6700K can do post 4.3GHz with 1.2-1.3v and the XM/MX counterparts heck even the 4910MQ can do better than the BGA filth, that's the piss poor garbage rejected silicon from DT that Intel and OEMs are stuffing into these.

It's because of the gamers who don't know jack about the socketed HW, less % of users, taking this as advantage the corps are extorting the cash from the ignorance of the dumb user base.

Still embracing the BGA cult, No one can help..Anyways consumer satisfaction and quality days are over..

Spoiler: In case you've missed this post from Mr. Fox

I don't buy cheap systems because they are disposable and without the ability to upgrade you end up flushing thousands of dollars down the toilet if you want to stay on top in the performance realm. Between the M18xR1/R2 I ran 6970M CF, 6990M CF, 580M SLI, 7970M CF, 680M SLI, 780M SLI and 980M SLI. I finally gave up with 980M SLI because of the problems it had working right in an Alienware and bought a Clevo. I only purchased an M18xR1. My M18xR2 was built from parts using pieces from my first M18xR1. If I had purchased a new dual-GPU Alienware every time faster GPUs came out I would have spent around $25,000 on new laptops. I spent less than half that amount over the years in upgrades, and always had the best performance available in a notebook. I only bought one laptop between my M18xR1 and the P570WM. I sold the two antique Alienware systems and spare parts for almost enough to pay for my P870DM-G. That represents great value to me and a much wiser use of my money compared to buying a new laptop every 12 to 24 months.

 

Still you do not understand some people actually CARRY their laptop EVERYDAY and a 4KG+ laptop isnt really ergonomic in those cases. But apart from that yes you can find my old posts where I already expected this to happen that they wouldnt follow the usual MXM standard anymore. Since the 980 desktop version already had an unusual board layout which only fit in laptops released last year.

Also your arrogance is showing, expecting Mr Azor owes you an apology, that other games are dumb beings etc.

By the way I dont think many users use the built in OC profiles for the 6820HK machines, users can adjust it themselves without increasing the voltage to those levels.

Also you talk about quality while most Clevo machines still have a cheaply built chassis while asking a high premium. If you want absolute quality buy a desktop or build one yourself.

 

Yes actually, we can say that we knew the industry was going this way.

And what really adds salt to their wounds is that the "filth" - The new Alienware line up with the AGA - can now reach levels of performance that their MXM machines can only dream about now.
They can no longer upgrade to Pascal, hence why Mr.Fox is selling his "amazing" Clevo.

It's over.

 

Thank you for enlightening, I came to know what I was missing...!!

Socketed HW sucks big time it's all bullcrap, I made a mistake by getting a kepler powered hardware which was socketed I should have waited for the thin and light BGA Echo to get most of out my machine. Dang ! and should have dumped the kepler in a year and get another maxwell and get Pascal this time and Volta is soon coming Yay ! I can dump the Pascal Alienware too.

Ooh I forgot I have that GA which can run a 1080 without any issues on the proprietary pciex4 port...Seems like all Clevo / MSI owners are stupid enough to buy a DTR and the Clevo is suffering from losses with the 6700K processors in them while MSI filed for bankruptcy. Alienware community seems to have highest activity of all NBR, Razer is a real noob they released the core with TB3 why not go for proprietary HW that limits itself on the Razer HW only...meh stupidity at its best.

Clevo is the real stupid here with that 1080SLI option they should learn from Alienware to DUMP the SLI lineup, ASUS is a real fool to try out the GX800VH / Vi with that liquid cooling stunt at 4.5K Euros...MSI with that GT73VR Titan 1070SLI / GT83VR 1080SLI man who buys those big $hiz boxes with so much power while I can lug around a desktop anywhere without compromise in design, Hell all these offer GSync /120Hz 5ms ? And 64Hz GSync AUO 100% adobe 4K in Clevos, Man I could have bought a GSync monitor for cheap and lug it around too very easy it seems...

We should write a mail that they are the worst machines they need to make them thin and light with the nice BGA hardware that runs cool at high voltages and destroy that SLI idea once and for all....What dumb companies these MSI/ Clevo are they should learn from Alienware also to wait until PAX and then release, I don't understand why the Clevo, MSI & ASUS released so early on the day of NDA lift, Also I think MSI is a retard to offer the GPU upgrades while we can buy another laptop later when new HW comes and dump a year old hardware...

 

@Ashtrix
Looks like there's no EC there. Has MSI GT80 LVDS?

As for calgon and rinneh just click ignore button. I did it and my life is better.

Edit::
http://www.ebay.pl/itm/MSi-GT80-Tit...DS-Cable-K19-3040082-J86-MS1812-/121792912156

 

Your words... <the "filth" - The new Alienware line up with the AGA...>
If I remember correctly.. So can Clevo DM series use eGPU. I think @Mr. Fox and @bloodhawk can confirm that. And yeah... [email protected] GHz can feed whatever graphics in such Box

 

Hahaha - Somebody's bitter....

After all the insults and negativity towards the new Alienwares, Karma comes calling......

Papusan - It's doesn't matter. That one amazing ability about the MXM is entirely irrelevant because it doesn't even work now.....

And you lot have made it abundantly clear that you don't support the "bastardization" of a set up that the AGA or an eGPU would bring.....

And it's Caladdon. Do try to keep up....
....... because your junk MXM systems sure aren't going to.......

 

Edited

EC hard mod is needed for the Pascal card from what Prema said, not the machine.... The eDP /LVDS is very complicated stuff I don't get how that Pascal has implemented it, give this post a read. Well if MSI fails to deliver the upgrade promise things will stir up very bad for them.

I think things will get cleared out in a month or so..

 

Still waiting for you reply to back your statements up with data XD

You're just a troll.

For all external GPU's the TB3 itself is the bottleneck not the CPU apart from the dual core ones.

The AGA port is a tad faster than the TB3 port as well. The AGA can be upgraded by a new cable when pci express v4 is released too. But yeah it only works on Alienwares.

Yeah it sucks that upgrading isnt as cost effective and straightforward as a desktop.

 

I mean I remember @bloodhawk said he will try with eGPU later. Then we can see some numbers with a heavily OC'd 6700K vs 6700Hq and the Aga.
And I think TB3 vs the GA doesn't mean much in fps difference as I recall.

 

In the razer core there were some benchmarks. In each one the AGA had less of a performance loss. Dave2D made a video about it

 

MSI version can have vBIOS that will emulate EC input doing the old school way of GPU voltage regulation. If they want of course. We should wait for 1080 MSI version and see if there's voltage connector and MXM size.

 

The MSI 1080 has a new connector looks like 6-pin but I could be wrong. The screenshots can be found on TI site, n17e all variants posted by @Prema

 

So you're happy people can't upgrade their machines and the industry is moving towards disposable ? Gee winning..

Look at you signature for Pete's sake... No thanks

 

Just saw MSI 1080. It requires EC connector. GG for us.

 

My signature has nothing to do with support for BGA.
I wanted to test many different laptops (Mostly refurbished) and was always able to sell them off for a profit. It was both a hobby and another stream of income.
Sit down now son......

Less choice is never a good thing. Don't try to put words in my mouth.

I'm just taking delight from all the naysayers with their borderline trollish remarks regarding the latest Alienware system being junk are now having to come to terms that their beloved MXM wonders which apparently destroy BGA "junk" are no longer the amazing systems they continually bragged about earlier. Gone rather quiet now haven't we.....

 

Yeah, gonna be soon.
But i would really avoid getting into an argument/conversation about how it compares with the Core, specially in the AW forums. Specially with the person you quoted.
And Dave2D's video was seriously flawed. He didnt even test the AGA properly.

 

Tell me how the video is flawed?

It is quite wellknown how TB3 works and it has to translate the PCI express signal to TB3 first which causes overhead and thus loss of bandwidth. Dave2D also made a separate video about the AGA by the way. Follow the Core threads itself and the loss of performance with a 1080GTX is larger than a 980TI. Indicating that bandwidth is becoming an issue.

Not that the differences between the Core and AGA are enormous but they are there.

 

Ok.

 

So after years of leaving this section alone, I come to here to see if there is any hope from AW to return to its former glory. But sadly i find this section more poisonous then ever. Good going Fanboys, you just reminded why I left in the first place.

Even after hitting the rock bottom, the attitude is still unchanged...

 

Not taking sides here, but I'm genuinely curious on the claims that the video test in flawed. Mind shedding some light on it?

 

i sat down and thought about it, instantly realised how wrong you are sir. you made the mistake of selling some of the better machines for a BGA "JUNK". didn't know u like buying garbage..

 

I sat down too. I can't wait for slick to part wisdom and show me how to sell his Alienware 15 for a profit...

Who's gone quiet now?

 

If he sells with profit... Either cheat the buyer or the buyer is stupid as a loaf

 

I've not gone quiet - Just had better things to do than shoot down yet more of the naysayers.
If I choose to sell and move up yet again (The 10 series equipped machines look unbelievably tempting) then I can and will. I also have the choice of just purchasing the AGA and sticking a 1080 card in there or go for a new system entirely later down the line - Msi laptops have always been enjoyable too.

'Choice'..... one of those qualities you MXM fanboys touted so often earlier on....

Could even skip the AGA if I was so inclined, sell my Alienware and just purchase a desktop for my new house if the new 10 series laptops prices are through the roof (Which they will be).

I purchased this system with warranty during a clearance sale online from an Ebay store for 50% off what it would've been normally.

I spent £599 including delivery.

I honestly couldn't give a rats @ss if you don't believe me but that's the scenario I was able to get into.

I could sell for profit and still give the buyer a great deal on a great system. Don't you know how awesome the 10 series cards are......oh wait.......You can't........

But lets say I decided on going for one of the older Alienware systems again (Not that I would be stupid enough to do so, but out of consideration for both sides of the argument) the only systems available online would be through the likes of Ebay.
The M18x R2 can be found for usually between £800 to £1000. Lets be lenient and say we got lucky and found it for £800 in good condition with ALL other components being exactly what we wanted.
Bit of a stretch but lets roll with that.

The cheapest 980m that I found is £599.99 (This single card is more expensive than my entire system was - I'll note that my purchase was incredibly fortunate.)

So this set up with no warranty and maintenance being required stands at £1399.99

However is not the entire point of the M18x being able to equip SLI?
So lets add another card to this, and I'll be lenient....again.... and say you found two 980m's for the same price and both in superb working condition.

That brings us to £1999.98 for a machine with no warranty and the skill then required to install the cards correctly.
For a machine that can't be upgraded in future......

I just went straight into Alienware's website and the 980m equipped Alienware 15. That would cost £1599.
Would I purchase that from Dell - Absolutely not.
That's still too expensive and that system has the rubbish 220 nits display

A quick search on Ebay for the new Alienware range brings us both cheaper systems still AND in many cases 3 year warranty packages for LESS than £1000.

I pay less for more and have warranty included. Yes they are refurbished but I've purchased from these stores in the past and have even recently suggested to a friend to buy one of these new Alienwares, which he did so because of the attractive warranties and the excellent spec in a portable package.

It's little bloody wonder MXM is dying - not just because of it's unreliability (Bet you're still reeling from that latest fiasco) but the sheer price of these components.... with no coverage included either....

 

Being as far from 'godlike' as you actually can be, you also don't offer anything of insight at all.

You sound like a troll at the 'best' of times.

To get the thread back on track I must admit compared to MSI, Alienware have been slow to show off their latest machines with the 10 series cards.
Perhaps now that they offer the AGA they're taking a more relaxed approach concerning their release schedule.

 

I don't give a rat's @ss about whether or not he believes I purchased it for the price I did.

I do however care about the misinformation being spread as well as the great exaggeration of a few faulty machines on this site concerning the new Alienware line up being considered the operational norm for these devices.

They are not trash and nor are they a poor choice.
I now know 3 individuals in person that have picked up one these new systems and all are happy. I'm dealing with real world, in the flesh customers and not some online nobodies whom have nothing better to do than stir up just how unhappy they are with the new direction of the company. We are fed up of reading the same rubbish you lot spew forth again and again.

If you're not happy then simply leave and vote with your wallet instead of acting like your voice absolutely needs to be heard concerning how butt hurt you are.

If these systems are indeed "trash" or "junk" then it'll fail of it's own accord or the direction will be reversed...
Time will tell and prove one of us wrong.
I'm sure as hell convinced it ain't going to be me.