I have two others but I pretty sure they have nothing to do with this as they are in sealed bags
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can't you plug them in to see if they beep?
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i wonder if having the stock EDID like on my panel will still be screwed?
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Sorry if it was mentioned before but the thread became quite huge and couldn't find that answer, how to know if the EDID of the monitor isn't corrupt ?
If it simply is working does this mean that it ain't or it could be corrupt but still working and exhibiting strange behavior ?
EDIT: I linked my EDID extract which seems to be identical to a one that was uploaded before in the thread and is supposedly ok. Can anyone give me feedback ? I want to know if I really have a problem with my motherboard or if the screen is dying
EDIT-02: DELL technician came, changed the mobo and screen won't work and we concluded that it is a screen problem.
@Mr. Fox 120Hz Samsung SEC5044 is one of the affected screens even with very old W10 drivers. Please add it to the list of affected screensAttached Files:
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I just remembered something with my system. Early on with it set at 120hz it would go black. This was caused by early drivers and having the backlight at anything other than 100%. Anyone without the beeps and a black or blank screen try getting the backlight adjusted back to 100%. It may not be a fix but it is free to try.
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CSM could have a different name; it often takes a bit of thought as to what the bios's writer may have thought the bios's user would think to be an intelligible description ... (if that made sense). In other words; second-guessing other people's guesses ( more of that
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Now for something funny from MS's UEFI Summerfest (honest!):
Apart from the 'small issues'; have a deeply-rooted aversion to the the kind of thought that is behind those three words in green. Translated; Form Over Function. Those 'seams' ARE - STILL - THERE! By hiding the process you hide the technology, thereby both complicating problem-solving and, much worse, undervalue the true complexity of the device. The Apple-mindset, in short.
Fast Boot is a form of hibernation, one that leaves hardware enumeration intact (devices attached and drivers active). This saves time because mapping and driver loading has already been done and, presumably, hasn't changed in the interim. That's a big 'if', hence the recommendations. Frankly, whoever thought this to be ' a good idea' should be sent the accumulated bill. Also; startup scripts run only once.
There is a risk associated with that ... Also, it might not work as long as there's a graphics driver present, think they're hugging the control bus for themselves. Will try uninstalling them later and re-run the export.
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so should i go back to 353.38/353.49?
edit: might as well revert when i get home though this guy is using win 10.
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is 355.82 working OK for you Robbo?PC GAMER likes this. -
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LOL at Alienware!
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). As for the "driver holding back the Kepler GPUs" goes, this **** has been going on for so long, guess what I have a Kepler card and no single performance issue to report. These guys I tell ya
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Sad news, though; both are eDP. So, whichever was bricked, this is the situation with the SEC5044:
Code:PnP id notes interf panel nr. ------- ----- ------ ------------- SEC5044 !?A eDP LTN173HT01-301 SEC5044 !?A eDP LTN173HT02-D** SEC5044 A eDP LTN173HT02-P01 SEC5044 A eDP LTN173HT02-T01 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- !? = bricked, but unknown which one * = unknown part id A = highly suspect: multiple variants exist, perhaps the others are safe ...
The 301 and D** are quite rare compared to the P01 and T01. Yet there's been no mention of either of those having failed (in fact, your Dxx/301 is the single example). The Dxx and 301 seem identical as far as we're interested in, so consider everything 'Dxx' to apply to the 301 as well.
Now, thanks to the high-resolution, we can make out the edid's eeprom (Winbond 25X20BLNIG):
This makes things easy; using the spec. sheet we can conduct some research:
Analysis:
1.) The write-protect pin is floating. That's a bit like Schrödinger's cat; it's neither on nor off. It's also susceptible to electrical noise, so a poor design choice here.
2.) The WP is not an Überpin; the SRP bit (in non-edid memory) has the final say; 0 = WP-off and 1 = WP-on. For WP-on to be effective, the WP-pin has to be low. Thus; short to ground. This is the opposite of the Atmel AT24C02 example, which needed voltage to enable write-protect. Also, the Atmel pin was a ' The-One-Ring' type of deal (no software override bit).
3.) The remaining question; is the SRP bit set to 0 or 1?
Winbond 25X20BLNIG write-protect combinations:
So if we want write-protect, then SRP has to be set to 1. This specific eeprom uses SPI Flash (just like Clevo bios eeproms), but not sure how to read/write to that thing without direct access to the chip (programmer). Anyone knows? Regardless, the WP-pin has to be shorted to ground (pin #4, to its right). No need to cut anything here; it's already disconnected.
Question of the Day:
- Do the other three known panels have their eeprom wired incorrectly as well?
- Revert to 7 (or 8.1) and stick with driver version 352.86.
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so if there's no resistor it means it's write protected?
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No, there's a solder pad right after the pin. Think of that like a break in a wire. A resistor ( even 0Ω) may or may not be present there, but if there isn't any then the wire is cut; the pin is 'floating' (an open circuit). This effectively renders the pin worse than useless, because its function is now unpredictable (due to EMI).
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in other words no way to be sure...great! i've reverted to the stock settings so all the settings are back to normal.
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If it's too late; the displays can yet be fixed. Only you'd have to remove it from the laptop to gain access. Plus either a a hardware tool or, easier, any compatible system that will permit booting with a bricked display. As long as you can boot, you can write the edid (with software only; $0.00). It's no different from a bios brick.
The ultimate cause is the driver and that needs to be fixed as well. Nvidia claims to be working on it ... but, really, they have all resources at their disposal ... :
- Afflicted laptops (from their customers).
- Afflicted panels (from their customers).
- The source code for the display part of their driver.
- Intimate knowledge of exactly what they have changed with the new drivers.
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Anyway ... my guess would be that they've long found the culprit and that there'll be a new driver soon that has the line ' Fix for generic display instability' in its release notes and that'd be it. No admission, no mea culpa, no explanation, no compensation.
Just to be clear: nvidia cannot fix displays that are already bricked, even if they wanted to. That is up to you, warranty or someone else who can fix them.Bullrun, Rotary Heart, Mr. Fox and 2 others like this. -
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Absolutely impossible for a large multi national company like ngreedia not to have pinpointed the cause by now, and I don't believe for a second they didn't already have some idea as to the cause when first reported, it's their speciality, they tell us how good they are constantly (And up until recently they have been just that)
Just a lot of ass covering from now on I think - Typical multinational.
Maybe this doesn't have any relevance - But then again, maybe it does.
Anyone remember the Movie "Fight Club"?
Remember what Edward Norton said about "insurance" and "compensation" and product "Recalls"
Something along the lines of the company does the maths.
If the cost of a recall is greater than the cost of compensation, then a recall will NOT be issued, even is people are dying (A bit extreme in our case, but you see the resemblance)
We're to small a bunch to take notice of, if the number of panels affect was hundreds or thousands instead of tens then we may have got some action from Micro$haft or NGreedia, as it stands if we want anything from them, I think we'll have to fend for ourselvesPC GAMER likes this. -
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And sure, they can fix it just as we can. Only thing is; wouldn't bet a dime on the chance they'll offer that service.TomJGX, PC GAMER, andrewsi2012 and 1 other person like this. -
The only event in the life of these machines that is a clearly identifiable exception since they rolled off the assembly line at the factory is the introduction of Windows 10. Something extremely nasty was introduced to us courtesy of the Redmond Nazis. Since flashing everything didn't permanently fix it, I'm almost to the point of thinking that a motherboard replacement will be required to cure the cancer if snipping the pin #5 LVDS wire connection doesn't work out well.TomJGX, PC GAMER, t456 and 1 other person like this. -
this makes me worry install windows 10 on any of my machine.. especially they are all rare old collectibles dont wanna trash em..
never in my wildest imagination a software combination + 1 typical hardware would cause this, in general terms. if someone had told me this years ago i would laugh at them thinking they were stupid.
here is one thats very different but rather than software i'd think its firmware related. swapping graphics card would damage LCD. http://ridingtheflow.blogspot.ca/2011/04/is-thinkpad-w701-mxm-kind-of.htmlMaksym Karpov, PC GAMER and Mr. Fox like this. -
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Guys, Windows 10 took out an Asus W90vp dual 4870 GPU's - or screen?:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-owners-lounge.354885/page-1161#post-10087178
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@Mr. Fox , just saw about your 4-th display. Really sorry for you. Why Nvidia doesn't want to take whole notebook then for testing?PC GAMER likes this. -
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- nvidia driver installs
- nvidia driver changes nvidia vbios
- nvidia vbios writes to edid
- edid broken
- new screen + new edid + new os + new driver
- same vbios (and bios?)
- edid broken
As an example:
This is my bios as present on the eeprom (afudos.exe /O) compared to the version from before the flash (as download from vendor):
So there's 135,890 bytes different. It's non-UEFI (duh), but even then you have nvram for boot options/devices/hdds. A cmos reset should clear these. The bios extracted after cmos-reset ought to be bit-identical to the pre-flash bios. Only; how to extract it? After DOS boot (to get to afudos.exe) those sections have been re-written again. Could desolder and use programmer, but that would be a bit to much to ask of most ... Fortunately, the flash program has an option to write nvram only:
Code:+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | AMI Firmware Update Utility v3.07.00 | | Copyright (C)2014 American Megatrends Inc. All Rights Reserved. | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Commands: | | /N - Program NVRAM |
Code:AFUDOS.EXE BIOS_O.ROM /N
Code:AFUDOS.EXE BIOS_E.ROM /O
Wait ... what the ... 1,818 bytes different? It's better than 135,890, but still ... let's take a look:
Okaaaayyy ...
WTF???!
This is Windows 7; haven't once installed 8.0, 8.1 or 10 (or Apple OS, for that matter). And yet, there it is; a Secure Boot rootkit. Really ... WHY? It's not as if I need convincing ' Secure Boot = Evil', thank-you-very-much. Now, do recall rolling-back one or two of the prepare-for-10 updates that slipped by without checking their purpose first (shame on me). Only, which one? And, far-far-far- faaaaaaaaaaar more serious, how did it prevent itself from being wiped out by the 'clear nvram' procedure (we wouldn't even have noticed otherwise ...)? Does that mean that even pulling cmos battery is useless against this?
Mind that the non-nvram is untouched; it's only that some section that used to be non-volatile are now read-only and no longer part of nvram. There is, however, a single exception to that; a tiny few bits that have changed compared to the pre-flash bios. Perhaps the nvram index? A read/write bit? Or the bit that tells you the total size of the bios, hiding part of it?
Next thing is a full bios write; this means war!
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what? a secure boot rootkit? serious or is it just pure speculation? it could possibly mean that any pc that has had win 10 installed is at risk even if there's no visible issues.
i don't mean to fearmonger if people feel that way but it does sound like it to me....though i could be wrong and would be very happy to be.hmscott likes this. -
But if physical cmos clear doesn't clean this and the 1,818 bytes difference remains with the original bios, then yes; this is the very definition of a firmware rootkit:
If not, and 10 remains licensed, then the method they have used partitions-off part of the nvram for itself, making it hard-coded in the bios. This would make it part-and-parcel of the true bios, in other words; persistent code. That would be a very nasty rootkit. And dangerous as well; the method it uses could harm other parts of the bios as well, if improperly implemented. Then again, is it possible to properly inject persistent code in firmware?
Anyway, there's a few things to check first:
- Pull cmos battery and read on first DOS boot (pre-OS)
- Write bios and read
- Pull cmos battery, de-solder bios and read in programmer
- Write fresh bios with programmer
- Read with programmer
- Boot to DOS and read
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Well this is the MonInfo dump from my brand new, but now corrupted AUO B173HW02 v.1 after the first restart under Win10.
I unfortunately only found this thread after I had replaced the screen and windows 10 bricked it for me a few minutes later..
I can only boot the system (AW17r1) in pure UEFI mode and if I try and load any display drivers the screen garbles and is unusable.
Booting under Legacy or UEFI with legacy rom results in the 8 Beeps of death.
My original screen is a LG LP173WF1 (TL)(B3) and it is also bricked, but worse than the AUO
Monitor
Model name............... LS13_LS18
Manufacturer............. ChangHong
Plug and Play ID......... CHD9021
Serial number............ 16777216
Manufacture date......... 2182, ISO week 47
Filter driver............ None
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EDID revision............ 1.3
Input signal type........ Digital
Color bit depth.......... Undefined
Display type............. RGB color
Screen size.............. 600 x 340 mm (27.2 in)
Power management......... Not supported
Extension blocs.......... 1 (Unknown type)
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DDC/CI................... n/a
Color characteristics
Default color space...... Non-sRGB
Display gamma............ 1.97
Red chromaticity......... Rx 0.640 - Ry 0.341
Green chromaticity....... Gx 0.286 - Gy 0.609
Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0.146 - By 0.068
White point (default).... Wx 0.284 - Wy 0.293
Additional descriptors... None
Timing characteristics
Horizontal scan range.... 24-80kHz
Vertical scan range...... 23-80Hz
Video bandwidth.......... 160MHz
CVT standard............. Not supported
GTF standard............. Not supported
Additional descriptors... None
Preferred timing......... Yes
Native/preferred timing.. 1280x720p at 60Hz (16:9)
Modeline............... "1280x720" 74.250 1280 1390 1430 1650 720 725 730 750 -hsync -vsync
Standard timings supported
640 x 480p at 60Hz - IBM VGA
800 x 600p at 60Hz - VESA
1024 x 768p at 60Hz - VESA
1280 x 1024p at 60Hz - VESA STD
Report information
Date generated........... 9/10/2015
Software revision........ 2.90.0.1000
Data source.............. File
Operating system......... 6.1.7601.2.Service Pack 1
Raw data
00,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,00,0D,04,21,90,00,00,00,01,2F,C0,01,03,80,3C,22,61,0A,D4,6C,A3,57,49,9C,25,
11,48,4B,21,08,00,81,80,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,1D,00,72,51,D0,1E,20,6E,28,
55,00,C4,8E,21,00,00,18,00,00,00,FC,00,4C,53,31,33,5F,4C,53,31,38,0A,20,20,20,00,00,00,FD,00,17,
50,18,50,10,00,0A,20,20,20,20,20,20,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,18,01,F3Last edited: Sep 10, 2015PC GAMER likes this. -
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Don't think this would cause edid-corruption in itself. But what this shows is that MS can inject code into the bios (flashing) and make that change persistent. It's not a big step to consider that NVIDIA can do the same, only this time to change the vbios, which we now know is communicating with the edid eeprom. The I2C bus it uses is two-way; so if something can read, then it can also write, provided there is no hardware write-protect. Which is at least true for two of the SEC5044 panels (the 301 and Dxx).
Information we need:
- Vbios exports from systems with bricked displays.
- Good photos of the back of bricked displays (see @andrewsi2012 's excellent photography).
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Out of curiosity, I'm currently using my AW18 perfectly fine on 10. However, it's running in pure uefi mode (secure boot is off I believe).
Now if I were to switch to legacy boot, would I get the 8 beeps as well?PC GAMER likes this.
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