[SOLVED] Asus G51J BSoD thread - part 2

will do. ill post my results tomorrow/when i get it done (no bsod on xp, but i'll look for the stutters).
260m gtx @ full brightness and stock clocks:



edit: will .9 be able to hold at least stock clocks?

 

bumping myself for no reason besides separating tests:

brightness at 5, 260 @ 550/950/1375:


brightness at 10:


i have a feeling asus knew about this, which is why they pointed fingers and told their rep to disappear...

now waiting for a few other people i asked to test my theory.

edit: wiki updated to reflect.

 

Close the lid that turn monitor off while running 3dmark

 

This is the results of my first test.


I also had my Razor mouse plugged in, brightness max, keyboard lights on max, and two usb ports occupied with my Alfa 500mw USB Wifi adapter. I still had a bunch of stuff open.

Stock Nvidia 195.62 drivers.

Power4Gear Newest version High Performance with Turbo Mode on.

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2nd test

I also had my Razor mouse unplugged, brightness max, keyboard lights on max, my Alfa 500mw USB Wifi adapter unplugged. Minimal apps open.
Stock Nvidia 195.62 drivers.
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Power4Gear Newest version High Performance with Turbo Mode option missing.





Will post more results soon.

 

wait a minute, did you just increase your score exponentially by closing the lid and turning of the monitor?

 

that was on reg 260 clocks.
this on stock asus:



if you mean the boost between 10.6 and 11.9k on reg clocks, yes. just turning off the screen.
only 10.5 to 10.9 on asus clocks, but still a decent boost.

everything in my tests is in the top announcement on http://g51jbsod.wikia.com/wiki/ASUS_G51J-A1_0x124_BSOD

 

I'm starting to get a bad feeling about this!

 

with stock clocks and brightness at min, you can finally see Tmonitor pick up CPU usage with furmark running. it still throttles half the time, but it's there. enough to game, but not prime95.

screen off, CPU good. screen on, cpu throttled.

screen off, not enough for prime95.


my alien GPU hits max fans and then drops to 90c. 92c with prime95 crunching. (still stock voltages)

 

wasn't there an issue with the alienware m15x (same spec's) throttling as well, though to my knowledge they haven't had any BSOD.

 

correct. but their system was able to hold prime95+furmark (as well as having a 150W brick), even if not permanently. ours, can't.

 

good points

 

I've had this laptop for 7 days now and at day 4, I decided it was going back. Out of the box, minor updates + install steam and jump on L4D.. 2 hours of gameplay and no problems at all. At 2:15, I start skipping and chopping and stuttering.. I felt like I was on a 56k connection, but my network was getting full bars on wireless N with no other network utilization.. Shutdown and cool off for an hour, then an hour into Borderlands and BSOD! ....

Honestly, how can Asus sell this piece of crap as a gaming laptop??? The way I see it if you have to modify the s*** out of something to get it to perform it's basic functions, that = EPIC fail.

 

Interesting find and sorry to not post much, it's because I am sick right now heh... so I am resting.

I never play with full brightness as it tends to bother my eyes. I usually play at 50% or even lower depending on the time of day. Additionally, I have the 150w PSU so most likely I won't be noticing problems with the CPU throttling down....

It seems that the 150w should be mandatory.

 

Thankx for the info.

please new comers read what is writen at the beginning of this thread

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=450046


we want to keep this thread open so as to keep looking for answers!

 

Mmmm... if it's power issue, why Ryzeki who tested the machine with 150W PSU still get BSoD?

EDIT: damn, 2 posts above me, lol.

 

we should expect that given that the alienwre m15x which is spec'ed the same (-1 HDD if I'm not mistaken) has a 150w PSU

 

Yeah, while some problems with the machine can be attributed to the PSU (we know 120w is not enough). The problem still present: BSoD on Borderlands. Even with the 150w PSU.

Now, I haven't had a BSoD on Crysis either, but I haven't played longer than an hour, plus I used the 120w when I played it. Perhaps some of the BSoD are indeed caused by the PSU lack of power, but at least Borderlands still gives me problems.

So have we found out exactly what the 0x124 error means? As in, what causes that exact error? We have different theories going on but maybe we could check with MS or something.

 

I use 100% brightness when i play games in well lit room, and 50% brightness when I play games in the dark.

 

sorry for asking this question
but is it worth to buy this laptop now?if i still can get the new one?
i read on some place it say Asus confirmed this as a discontinued product
or i just wait for the new version of this laptop G51Jx?

thx

 

this is all we know for sure
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb725851.aspx

stop 0x124= hardware error
Parameter 1 0x4= An uncorrectable PCI Express error occurred
Parameter 2 0xFFFFA8004xxxxxx= Address of WHEA_ERROR_RECORD structure.

can anyone confirm that parameter 2 is the same all the way till 4?
I don't know if it's relevent but it's a thought!

 

Hi there all,
I have an ASUS M60J which is kind of similar to the G51V. Unfortunately, I have also encountered numerous BSOD's. HOWEVER, they only seem to happen amongst certain games.
I play:
Left 4 Dead 2
Battlefield 2/2142/Heroes
CS: Source
Team Fortress 2
Call Of Duty MW2..

The games which seem to get BSOD's are BF2 and MW2. But I only ever recieve them occassionally; probably once every 5 days or so. I run both games on MAX settings and on Balanced Power management.
I used to get constant BSOD when playing BF2; but I fixed that when I installed the latest NVIDIA drivers and Realtek Sounddrivers. Whenevr I get BSOD; the error seems to be "hal.dll" error.
Indeed I know exactly how annoying this thing is; especially in Mw2, when I just get the NUKE or an AC130.

Edit: I REALLY hope this gets fixed especially since Battlefield Bad Company 2 is coming out this MArch!

 

wait, so is there a fix for this power issue? like a bios update or replacing the power adapter? i'm pretty noob with anything this deep with computers; so im just wondering if there is anything to look forward to now that we found the probable issue for the Bsod's.

 

Please see Wikia link on 1st page.

 

what do you mean G51J-A1 can't hold prime95 and furmark?
Does the program close when it doesn't function or temperature jump way too high?

 

Can't quote it since the old thread is locked...

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=5574023#post5574023

Edit: edited out my confused question. I misread the past couple of pages, this is getting interesting...

 

I have a question then. Why is it that people who run Windows XP don't get the BSOD, as opposed to people who run Windows 7? Performance based on what I have read, is much better in XP (minus the ram that can't be addressed) because it lacks all the fancy features of 7. Does XP not report that the computer doesn't have enough juice? Or is the power management function in 7 at fault? As for tests, will do later when I get home from work.

 

most likely the way win7 handles power and error checking, and is more proper than xp.

hopefully. but i wouldn't be surprised it's the distribution once the power is at the laptop that's being saturated.

 

i've just noticed something which seems now veeeeeeeery obvious but noone else has picked up on.

1. on the laptop next to cpu and gpu sticker is an 'EAX Advanced HD 4.0' sticker
2. eax 4.0 is supported by creative 'sound blaster audigy 2' cards
3. our laptop doesn't have a creative card, it has a realtek one
4. ??????

...on this basis can we ask for a refund since it's false advertising, ie they say the computer can do something which it doesn't have hardware for? or am i missing something?

 

Where did you guys get 150 watt PSUs for this thing? Would those be compatible with a G72? (Main reason I haven't bought one of those on clearance is I can't find a replacement 150 watt PSU...)

I wouldn't buy it because it has a known major issue, with no idea if it will or even can be fixed.

Creative's been selling their (IMO worthless) software for years and getting that label slapped on systems. Dell was the first one with notebooks I saw with that. It's not false advertising because all that means is it has that (IMO worse than worthless) software, but if I ever had a notebook with it I'd take it off.

It is obviously confusing at best though, and kind of deceptive to those of us who know what Creative Labs is/was, but don't know about that software they're selling to OEMs.

At this point though I'm not really even sure what the point of Creative soundcards *IS*. I mean they still have really great signal to noise ratio, while integrated audio kind of ranges from fairly decent to absolutely terrible (loud static!), but since Microsoft removed hardware support for audio from Direct X, it's made Creative's stuff seem like a lot less of a necessity to me (and made it seem less crazy to get some other sound card that has good SNR, but not Creative's hardware support).

I've been SUPER pleased that my Asus n80's audio sounds fine though. By integrated audio standards it's really solid.

 

sooooo has anyone else tried the tweakforce nvidia drivers yet or is everyone just totally ignoring it?

 

I'll try them today in MW2. But I really doubt if it helps..

 

running stock 260m (550/950/1375) clocks, cod4 stopped after 25 minutes.

last class in an hour, ill start my undervolting tests soon.

 

So what would happen if I ran a game from my laptop while it is closed on an external tv? Could this potentially cut down the amount of power drawn to stop the BSOD's from happening?

Also, I don't get BSOD's in Crysis, just a message that states Crysis has stopped working from windows after about an hour. I assume this can be attributed to power issues as well? I've also noticed that after I get this message, close Crysis and then check gpu-z, the sensors detect some weird Mhz on the video card. I have mine set at 550/950/1375 and after quitting Crysis they read something like 312/799/867...any thoughts on this?

 

those are 3d-high clocks, the card drops to those to protect itself from a too high overclock. but power is also possible.

an external monitor/tv _should_ at least cut down the BSoD frequency.

 

Hmm ok, so tonight I'll try stock clocks and see if it still does the same thing. I've not had this problem with any other game, but then again any other game is not Crysis, lol.

I'm moving into a new apartment this weekend and will be able to do some testing on my new tv, which is lower res than my laptop, but I'll report what happens.

Will undervolting the gpu void the Asus warranty?

 

But don't close the lid! We already know from the last thread that causes more issues (more heat, if nothing else). Just run with it open.

 

technically no, as undervolting will not damage hardware. but i don't know of any similar cases so can't say for sure.

 

With the downclocking that occurs in gpu-z is any damage being done to the card itself? As you say,thalanix, it's just protecting itself correct? I haven't noticed any artifacting while in Crysis, it's just that windows detects a problem and asks me to close it.

I'll run with it open this weekend, and tonight I'll do the screen brightness test to see if I can confirm anything.

 

underclocking and volting should not damage the card. at worst it will be unstable.

 

check these out thalanix

would like to do more but can't at the moment
will do in a bit

tell me what you think

 

heres a quicker test:

firing up furmark. already you can see the instability (the quick drops).


fan spins up to less than full


alternating between low and high brightness


i'll take a look at those in a bit.

 

BSOD in CoD: WaW in singleplayer after 20 minutes. I'm tired of this.

 

well i just did another 2.5 hours in borderlands multi without a hitch, so it seems to be working so far maybe the cod people will find something else to get it to work for them

 

What did You do exactly to make this work ?

 

drivers won't fix this problem. run either of the two tests i suggest on the wiki, the g51j has unstable power even at stock settings. for some people it was weeks between BSoD's.

the undervolting method will not work. neither gpu-z, nibitor, nvflash, or a full low mem dump produced anything valid.

all we can hope for is that asus admits their mistake and offers a replacement g51jx, but something tells me that won't be happening.

 

Well, if in fact this is the issue and ASUS does not replace or fix it, there is always ebay.

 

luckily i can still try once more for a replacement due to the broken keyboard hotkeys

i wrote up 3 tests with informal testing procedures/observations/expected results @ http://g51jbsod.wikia.com/wiki/ASUS_G51J-A1_0x124_BSOD. the more people that post screenshots the better.

on 550/950/1375 clocks and 10/15 brightness, there was only 1 visible throttle per 3dmark test except SM2, 2 with three drops.

edit:
wow all the wrong posts get googled...
for all the newcomers, read the first post (http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=450046) in this thread. make sure you read the wiki as well, as it has a collection of everything we know since october.

 

I can also confirm it:
I did test 3 and as soon as I start rendering, cpu core drop to 920mhz, but when I change render, it went up 1.7ghz for all 4 cores.

 

Can't sell it on ebay if it accidentally happens to fall out of your pickup truck onto a concrete driveway, in the rain