ASUS G73JH-A1 with ATi Mobility Radeon HD 5870 1GB GDDR5

Hell I think even I would make the jump if it was 256

 

According to Asus it's faster 30% than GTX260m so thats a high end card not a mid range.

Even if they lied and it was on par with GTX260m or GTX280m that's still a fast card.

 

I wouldn't mind 128-bit GDDR 9.

 

No dude..you really are missing his point and he is spot on. The reality is that this card is sounding like a buzz word. It is dx 11 just like the 8600 gt was when it came out. However, it was too weak of a card to even matter.

128bit bus KILLS this cards potential and also the value proposition for this PC laptop (for me at least). 1900 by 1200 is a LOT of pixels. My m15x supports 1400 by 900 and my 8800GTX is starting to get a bit long in the tooth. A high resolution is going to bring that card to its knees and it will NOWHERE play crysis at acceptable levels with that bus. That is a huge bottleneck. You need 256bit to push 1080P.

 

30% faster at a synthetic benchmark at a super low resolution is not what people want though or atleast its not what i care about... I have one pre ordered but until someone gets a hold of one and puts it through its paces im remaining super skeptical now ... I hope it turns out to be a real monster though because i like the looks and even more the price ...

For people who dont understand what 128bit means think of it like shoving an Apple through a garden hose... You might get it to go through but it aint going to be pretty ...

 

30% faster at the lower resolution? We're not entirely sure what they mean by this. Maybe if one of the resellers get a hold of an early model they can run some benchmarks for us.

 

Not with that bus...I doubt it. And a single 260m is not playing games of tomorrow at 1900 by 1200. It would be OK for 1400 by 900 or 1280 by 720.....not native resolution though. I don't know abuot you, but I HATE playing games on an LCD in NON-Native resolution. Yuck. If I get a 17 inch lappy, it will have to have the juice to run 90% of games at that resolution (crysis type games will be forgiven).

 

Also 1600 dollars is the pre-order price of this potentially few month away product. For about that price you can get a system TODAY that is close to those specs. This is not the deal everyone was thinking. The processor and HD's are great but that videocard does make the value seem "reasonable" not "stellar." Awaiting more info.....

 

you can play most games in 1920x1080 Ultra Settings 2XAA easily with GTX260m/GTX280m And frame rate wont drop below 30

Anyway we really need benchmarks at 1080p since it's 128Bit ;/ i guess we will find out sooner or later so no need to worry about it for now.

 

If the performance meets predictions of being on par with a desktop 4870, you should be able to run non-Crysis-type games at native fairly well. My 512 MB 4870 and triple-core Athlon handle everything I've tried thus far at 1920x1080. Given that this has double the RAM and a quad-core i7, I'd expect better performance than I'm getting out of my desktop if it really does meet that Desktop 4870 equivalency prediction.

 

People people. It doesn't matter the individual parts, its the end result that matters. A 128bit GDDR5 GPU can have a similar or more memory bandwidth than some GDDR3 256 bit card. the 1920x1080 resolution will be more than playable with current available games as I have played most of my games on such resolution with my underclocked GTX260M.

Remember, the important thing is the memory bandwidth, determined by both memory bus and speed, so don't jump into the hate suddenly. Besides, the scores suggest a low stream processor count, so even if it had the insane memory bandwidth of GDDR5+256bit, the card wouldn't be able to push that much more performance out of thin air.

This 128bit GDDR5 card is still more powerful than the GTX260M, and most likely, a bit more powerful than the GTX280M too. Sadly, that's about it.

 

Personally, I would still replace my G51J with this..that thing is a freaking time bomb..about to BSOD on me D: (hope that doesn't happen until I sell it to my friend). I just like the design and the heat issue being resolved on the G73. Of course if something else magically pops up before the G73 that's better then I'll give it a second thought.

 

lol, he won't be a friend much longer after the BSOD.

 

Hehe, well luckily he knows about the BSOD issue so its all cool.

 

XD!

True, which is why I am adamant to fix the BSOD before I sell it.

I most probably will replace it but later. The laptop was pushed back wasn't it? So even if I do decide to jump and buy it, I will probably do it in a couple of months.

Meanwhile, I will try to fix the BSOD!

 

And what a great friend you must be to wish that upon them

 

THE BEST =P LOL nah the price I'm selling it to him I might as well give it up for free =x

 

I finally got in touch with someone at CES2010. He said that Amd/Ati is having their conference from 4-6pm tonight, which would be 7-9 eastern, right?

Hopefully we will finally have closure on what is getting put in this laptop.

 

He can just tell him its a feature of the laptop ..

 

This post is indeed correct.

Memory bandwidth is the end result, not bus width. The point of GDDR5 was that it was twice the speed of GDDR3, hence allowing smaller bit-width cards to perform fine, a'la the desktop 4870 which competed well against the much bigger bus width of the GTX260 and even GTX280.

It is NOT like squeezing an Apple through a garden hose - it's more like shrinking the hose but doubling the speed the water goes through. In the end, it's the same result.

Now, looking at the synthetics, the Mobility 5870 scored 40% faster than the GTX260M despite having a slower processor, which is even more in effect at a lower resolution.

Add on that the 5870 is based on a newer core that more games are programmed for, and the ATI architecture is known for scaling better at resolution and AA than Nvidia's is (look at desktop RV770 cards vs. G92 and resolution and AA scaling...), the 5870 will easily surpass it in real world performance at native resolution

 

And maybe even an estimated release date on top of that.

*crosses fingers and prays for this laptop making it out by early March at the latest*

 

Well my 128bit analogy was based on past products and not the DDR5 variants..

i have not seen enough proof regardless of the fast memory of GDDR5...

To me whats most telling is them flaunting the 1366x768 benchmark which is not the industry standard for benching and should have been used based on the fact that a 1920x1080 panel can handle the standard....

So until we see the true scores with REAL tests i will remain skeptical ..

Again i have one preordered and if it pans out then fantastic and if not oh well...

 

ASUS doing something non standard...say it isnt so.

 

Contact at CES says he cannot go to the Amd conference because he is going to the Sony Press event. LAME!

So, by 7pm tonight we should know what we're looking at. I will be glued to engadget for sure!

 

Please keep me updated on it!!! Internet sucks so when reading one thing, it refreshes me all the time!! UGH

 

i really hope its 256bit! after reading 30pages of discouragements, I'm kinda disappointed
Imagine it's not even better than 280M GTX?

 

You guys should stop speculating so much..it brings up your hope then crashes it when its something you don't want

 

It's just hard to say right now with all the speculation. If it is indeed on par with their desktop 5750/70 part, that goes against all the info on the web saying the mobile 5870 was NOT based on the juniper core. If it is, according to this it should be on par with a 4890 desktop chip so what gives...

http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/13/ati-radeon-hd-5770-and-5750-steal-away-reviewers-hearts/

It would be a shame for it to be based on the Juniper Core (not broadway), 128 bit, AND under-clocked as all mobile parts are!

 

Speculation prior to knowing is half the fun ... I know i am excited but remaining cautiously optimistic ... I hope it truly turns out better then many have hoped for but after owning the W90 and a few other beastly gaming laptops since then i know better .

 

I'm with you on that one

 

Me needs info on PC stat....

 

has any1 noticed how nvidia gets the same or better performance from like 1/5th the stream processors. Is this due to their high shader clocks??

Is ati capable of increasing the shader clock by that much?

 

I was wondering if there was any information out of the GTS 360m, which was supposed to be the replacement in the G51JX-A1. I thought that was supposed to be a GDDR5 and 128-bit. Just wondering how that clocks.

 

the GTS 360m is worse then a GTX260 go here for specs.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gts_360m_us.html

 

I hear it runs substantially cooler though - guess we'll find out once Nvidia do their conference at CES

 

The GTS260m is very impressive though for its power consumption/heat for its performance.

 

We've gotten a confirmation from ASUS that the G73JH will not have any overclocking controls in the BIOS, but the Power4Gear Turbo Mode overclock will still be available. So the official word is that Power4Gear Turbo Mode is the only supported overclock.

For those using 3rd party OC utilities, please just be careful

 

I hope there's a 15" in the works.

Umm, that's not true. I'm only at 1680x1050, and that still isn't the case.

 

where i can put another 5870 on this laptop?

 

same place where you pull the existing one from.

 

Well since you said "on" this laptop, im sure you could Glue one to the back of the lid ... Would make a nice conversation piece if nothing else ...

 

you can put in next to it and see if it crossfires wirelessly.

 

I lol'd

 

So i have been reading since page 55, it has been an interesting, but is this going to be a must get or an upset,

 

If that bus is 128bits, it is going to be an upset. I agree with those that say that 1080p+128bit bus is a failure.

 

so questions...

1) why does it look like from the pics that it is a single "clicker" (or is it split underneath?)?

2) will asus ever make a laptop (gaming one atleast) with an upgradable gpu or are they thinking that most users rather to just buy a completely new system than just buy a new gpu?

3) how many of you are bummed right now with these latest revelations?

 

Yeah i went from being completely confident about getting this Asus to, im not sure, straight to well time to start looking for another, but still the whole design is keeping me wanting it

 

no one has a card with a 128bit bus and gddr5??? desktop or anything???

includes the 4770, 5750, 5770, 240 gt. etc......

 

Was it an Asus notebook that showed a Mobility 5850 with GDDR3?

I can't remember where I saw that....

 

No, that was Acer Aspire 8942g