ASUS G73JH-A1 with ATi Mobility Radeon HD 5870 1GB GDDR5

The Toshiba Qosimo x505-q850 does;

http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTS-250M.17669.0.html

 

A review for x505-q850 is here;

http://forums.laptopvideo2go.com/to...mio-x505-850-fuller-review-users-perspective/

 

http://i.neoseeker.com/a/hd5750hd5770/vantage.png
do u guys think these will help?

 

cant find any users.
heres notebook check
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTS-250M.17669.0.html

at the bottom it has the notebooks listed with that gpu. lets see if we can find any runs done at native maxed out. for some reason they believe 1204*768 is the way to run games. lol

 

I wonder if there is any hope of ASUS releasing a GTX 260M or 280M version of this laptop for the same price.

 

My Gateway FX Laptop video card died so that one is toast. I'm also in the market for a new rig. the 128bit/256bit is something that im also concerned about. Are the stats on notebookcheck accurate? If so they say that the 4870 and the 4870x2 are both 256bit. Why then would ati be putting out a newer chip with a slower bus speed? Doesn't make any logical sense if notebookcheck's stats are correct.

 

I hope not. Even if the specs are as bad as we think they might be, the 5870 will still be faster than the 260 and 280gtx. It is also built on a smaller die process which means it will run cooler than the 260/80. It also supports direct x 10.1/11 and the newer tessellation methods in some of the new games (Dirt2).

 

That's what we're all trying to figure out. Why would Ati gimp it's new flagship mobile chip. It doesn't make any sense at all.

 

There is only a few reasons ATI would do this, and this is all speculation right now, but the most logical from reading is that ATI has no pressure from NVIDIA, so they took advantage to release the new chipset with better ram, but with lower bit rating because they know the masses will throng too it most likely. Thats probably the most widely accepted theory atm.

 

GDDR3 GTS250( http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Acer-Aspire-8940G-Notebook.22447.0.html)
Vs.
GDDR5 GTS250( http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Toshiba-Qosmio-X500-10V-Notebook.24427.0.html)

Both 128bit.

3DMark Vantage
3678 Vs. 4731

Crysis:


MW2:


Shift:


Dirt2:

 

Even at 1920x1080 you think it would beat a 280m? What about with some AA turned on also?

 

This is coming from desktop comparison
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-test/14

HD5770 128bit GDDR5. Note that HD5770 is running same FPS as HD4870 with 256bit under 1920x1200 8xAA on Far Cry 2.

I'd say that's pretty good for a 128bit card

 

it's not CONFIRMED that it IS a 128bit card though, right? as Justin from XoticPC said.

 

wait wait wait. you also need to note the 250m with gddr5 is clocked at 1,600 mhz which is insane to say the least compared to the gddr3 one which is maybe 950mhz.

as the ati one is 1000mhz. but there is other factors but 1600mhz would alieve the high res bottleneck my belief.....

sorry for being mr. negative but i do that when looking at laptops..

 

I will hold off my speculation until AMD make their official annoucement later.

 

"Most" plus I'm talking about the average frame rate not minimum frame
If you are getting lower performance then there is something wrong with your laptop or whatever you are playing.

 

I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised by the performance of whichever configuration of HD 5870 is in the G73JH. But right now I'm not ruling out other brands and even hoping the G51J BSOD issue gets worked out. (I really really liked the specs of that machine, despite its problems)

 

any updates yet?

 

Yes. From everything I am looking at in all the benchmarks for similar cards, GDDR5 can close the gap of the gimped 128 bit bus. It won't close it completely, but it makes up for it by about 70-80%.

If say COD:MW2 ran at 60fps on cardX that has gddr3 and 256 bit memory bus, all things being equal it would run at about 50 fps on the same card that has GDDR5 and 128 bit memory bus.

Read this article very carefully. It is about the desktop 5750 which this mobile 5870 seems to be mirrored from. I don't think things are going to be as bad as we are making them out.

Specifically:

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/10/12/amd_ati_radeon_hd_5770_5750_review/9

The 128-bit bus

When all is said and done, we think the Radeon HD 5700 series is going to be controversial amongst hardware enthusiasts and gamers. Many people have expressed their concern about a 128-bit memory bus and lower memory bandwidth than the Radeon HD 4870/4890. I think you must first realize that the memory bandwidth is but one aspect of video card performance, and not the be-all-end-all some think it is. I think the haters need to realize where these video cards are positioned, the price points, and the actual gameplay experience they produce. There is not a lot to dislike about these new GPUs.

During our briefing on ATI Radeon HD 5700 series we expressed the concern for the 128-bit bus to AMD. We know you guys care about that, and we let AMD know your opinions of it. Their response was informative, telling us that in their own internal testing they found that the new Radeon HD 5000 series GPUs are more engine limited than they are memory bandwidth dependent as you crank quality settings skyward. With that, our gameplay evaluation seems to backup their claims. When we are able to run NFS: Shift with 8X AA at 1920x1200, and several games at 2560x1600 even on the Radeon HD 5750, then we have to think that bandwidth isn’t as big of a concern as it was on the Radeon HD 4000 series.

With lower memory bandwidth, the Radeon HD 5770 is able to compete well, providing the same gameplay experience in several games, compared to the Radeon HD 4870. However, not all games are created alike, and there are indeed some games, such as Crysis, that are very bandwidth sensitive. In these games, we have seen the difference the bandwidth can make, and the Radeon HD 4870 provides a better experience. We think, moving forward, as DX11 titles are built and shader effects utilized, we will see more engine limited situations than we will memory bandwidth limited situations. In this light, the Radeon HD 5770 will shine, providing the shader power of a Radeon HD 4890 with DX11 support and an attractive price of $159.

This is very important, so I want to state this again; DX11 effects could possibly make these video cards more engine dependent, not memory bandwidth dependent. For example, Tessellation, the much talked about feature that will be in use in DiRT 2 DX11 game and Aliens vs. Predators DX11 game are engine bound compute features, not memory bandwidth sensitive. So we may really start to see the advantages of the Radeon HD 5700 series as DX11 titles are released and or newer games utilize better DX10/10.1 shader effects. In this case, the cost savings of using a 128-bit memory bus means that the HD 5700 series video cards should be cheap to produce; meaning eventual price cuts, instant savings and rebates, putting DX11 video cards in more gamers’ hands.

 

Not yet unfortunately. The guy that emailed me said he was going to Sony's press conf, which is being slammed all over Engadget's website. He said the official information board said Amd's was at 4-6 Vegas time. We should know something very very soon.... Fingers crossed.

 

oh vegas time! I live in new york, it's like 3hours difference right?
ill probably check this thread again in like an hour to see if there is an update.
and that article u posted gave me a little boost! I shouldn't lose my hopes yet!

 

Yes Vegas time is 3 hours slower than NY time.

 

For the lazy people who do not want to read the whole thing

 

Thanks HSN!!! I was actually going back and trying to make it easier, but you did it for me!

 

I actually read the whole thing, lol, although I am very lazy, and yeah leaning more towards pre-ordering one now

 

stupid sony had to be at the same time

 

If there is anyone that could steal Amd/Ati's thunder, it's Sony I guess! Their 3d Tv sets are going crazy there! My friend that's at the conference said people are going Ape-Shiz over Sony's 3d Tv demo.

 

ASUS has actually confirmed to us that it is 128-bit.

 

So, is it going to be 256 or 128...?

 

So it is confirmed...?

 

Unless ASUS makes a habit of lying before their press conferences

 

Looks like it will be, but if you read the synopsis I posted from HardOCP, Memory bandwidth is not a major factor in actual gameplay on the 5000 series... I remain hopeful. I don't want to give anyone false expectations, but that article eased my mind a little bit.

 

I forgot to copy/paste this from the article too...

We think the ATI Radeon HD 5750 provides an incredible gaming value. For $109-$129 it provides a high level of gameplay experience, allowing high resolutions including 2560x1600 in games, and high AA settings up to 4X and 8X AA at 1920x1200 with the 1GB model. The Radeon HD 4770 used to fill this spot, and the Radeon HD 5750 just taught us how much better a new generation of video cards can be.

The power savings are a big feature to gamers and HTPC users alike, idle Wattage is low, even full load power Wattage is low on the Radeon HD 5700 series. There seems to be a lot of overclocking room on both video cards, providing room for add-in-board partners to beef up heatsinks and provide voltage tweaking and overclocking software to really push these video cards. Don’t let anyone tell you the Radeon HD 5700 series are not "Enthusiast" video cards, they are most certainly enthusiast video cards; they are the epitome of enthusiast video cards. These are the kind of video cards that have the potential to be so much more utilizing exotic cooling techniques and higher core and memory frequencies. When you throw in DX11 support, ATI Eyefinity support, and video support, they become very appealing video cards for hardware enthusiasts rather than just gamers.

 

Well maybe we expected too much..
Still, for 1600$, i think it is a good deal.

 

I don't think anyone has linked this yet . It is pretty good video that discussed some of the heat features and shows a brief clip of the bottom of the laptop which looks smooth.

http://www.pcper.com/comments.php?nid=8196

 

Well, if thats the case, gonna pass on this one. Not worth the money for me to go to this from what I have. Yea its lighter, but honestly, it wouild be a downgrade....

 

I think with the recent misdeals with NVIDIA, we set ourselves up for failure when we saw ATI releasing this "dream" card. We over-hyped ourselves and gave ourselves a barrier or eliteness of this card that made us have semi heart-attacks for us older folks

 

What do you currently have?

 

Yes, I wouldn't either if I were in your shoes. You have a dual 4870 setup in your w90, right? That's gonna be tough to beat...

 

he has the w90. i have the m17x...

 

i believe he has W90.

 

I honestly don't think you should upgrade, I mean you have the 280m GTX SLi with great cooling system.
Are you still selling m17x for the G73JH-A1?

 

w90vp, dual 4870's

 

yes. that is what i am hoping to do.

 

im planning to order this laptop... should i after its announced as 128bit?
is the gpu still stronger then 280GTX or not?

 

I personally still plan on getting it. Its a decent upgrade from my GTX260m, has a bigger screen (huge plus for me) dual fan cooling system and looks AMAZING imo. love the new design.

 

There is no way to know 100% yet until someone can get a benchmark on it

 

Listen, I have less than average PC intelligence but here is a lay person's view. They mention in some games like crysis, it is much more sensitive to bandwidth and therefore this will bottleneck. They talk about DX11 games that will be more efficient (I heard that with DX10). But we all know that the lower end DX10 GPUS's still struggled with DX9 games and don't even bother trying to run a DX10 game on early GPU's. So this card is not the "epitome" of ethusiast cards. I see this as just PR doing damage control. The cards will likely run games pretty well that are out TODAY. But this system is not coming out tomorrow and you can get systems for about 1600 bucks today that will play today's games just the same. My 2 year old 8800MGTX is probably pretty damn close in performance to this card coming out over two years later...I think you should pass unless you really need a system "now" (even though we dont know when its coming out)

 

You know I'm really curious to see how a ATi 5870 stacks up to it's older brother the ATi 4870. I'm sure it will bring some great potential for future gaming but, the ATi 4870 isn't very old and has alot of it's own life still be a great video card choice. Also, being able to get the ATi 4870 in crossfire is another strong point. Unless someone announces a laptop with Crossfire ATi 5870's at CES I may not be fully persuaded on it. That's just my thoughts on all this.

 

Terreos a general rule is to never assume a current card will be good for future games...people did that with DX10 and it proved futile. People spent 4k on dual 8700GT's to be very pissed with the 8800GTX which was a proper mobile dx10 card. This is the same thing. Just a gut feeling.