ASUS G73JH-A1 with ATi Mobility Radeon HD 5870 1GB GDDR5

The Clevos would be a better comparison because of the similar CPU. Soviet Sunrise, babyhemi and a bunch others have those systems.

It would be a closer comparison with the ATI 4870. The ATI 4850 sits in the middle of the 260M and 280M and that is a closer comparison to the 280M.

 

OHSNAP! I think you're right! look at that low CPU score in the '06 run! A quad core should hit at least 3500-3800 no?

 

Good eye, Xirurg.

 

I am reading this thread from page 1 and even sold my macbook pro to get one of those beasts, so...

 

A QX9300 does that. 4500 OC'ed.

 

yea, I think a 720m gets like 3400-3500 stock iirc. *edit* just looked around and it seems it scores ~3200 while the 620m gets 2900-3000. Desktop i7 920 gets ~4800-5000 stock...so if a 280m+i7 920 desktop got ~13,000 then this looks very good for the 5870.

 

I imagine game results would be even better because of the new architecture and features of the 5000 series. The 3dmark score was just to get a basic barometer of where we're at. I have a feeling this will chew through games like nothing else (single Gpu).

 

You know I would get on this 'bandwagon" too if it weren’t for what nVidia told me at CES. "Before the end of March the 300m series GTX will be out", I want to see the specs and such of these first...

 

Those won't be Dx11 supporting, right?

 

I don't blame you at all, although I imagine there's only so much higher they can go with the 2 year old G92 architecture...

 

not confirmed on that yet

 

Probably not but it may be a die shrunk GT200 which may put the 5870 to shame.

 

alright so now that we have the 3d mark scores, what desktop gpu can i look up and see how this card would perform with games?

 

I may eat my words, but that would be a miracle if they shrunk that hulking GT200 silicon wafer down to a usable notebook gpu. The amount of power and heat that is involved with that chip seems like way too much to jam into a laptop!

My guesstimate is that it will be on par with the 5870M. "Putting it to shame" seems like a long shot hail Mary.

 

G73Jh battery life:

 

Decent times on the battery. Honestly though, I'd much rather these things ship without a battery.....

 

wow almost like my m17x))

 

decent for desktop replacement notebook! BTW, any chance you can get us some game benchmarks?

 

1280 x 1024 Vantage GPU score should be ~6500 (Considering 1280 x 768 was 7370). In comparison to the desktop 5750/5770, the lower memory clock at 1000mhz is putting a strangle on memory bandwith. But if these mobile GDDR5 memory chips are rated the same as the desktop 5750/5770 memory, the M5870 will be a hell of an overclocker. 8000 GPU score is not out of the question.

 

Wow... My G51JH gets and hour and a half. AT MOST!

 

Notebookcheck places the vantage scores at a very specific 7260. Wonder what system there were using to get this number...

http://www.notebookcheck.net/ATI-Mobility-Radeon-HD-5870.23073.0.html

 

that was the initial report from CES, P7260. that score was with a CPU score of only 8,000 which was comparatively weak when pitted against other i7 720m CPU scores.

 

The G92 is over two years old now ever since it launched on October 17, 2007 as the 8800 GT. It surprises me that it is still capable of holding it's rank with the top cards for that long and it is only now that ATi has brought something to the table. The G92 has still yet to emerge as it's last iteration dubbed the GTX 285M, which is a minimum 15% faster than the GTX 280M based on core/shader alone. The GTX 285M is pretty much hand picked GTX 280M's that can handle the increased performance. However, from looking at the FX 3800M, the GTX 285M will most likely be similar to it and won't be a BIOS reflash of the GTX 280M; the inductors on the FX 3800M are placed differently compared to the GTX 280M. Yes, it will still be 55nm, but it will feature DX10.1 and improved PowerMizer that remedies long downclock times and locking up at max clocks. To me, that is worth getting over the first release of the GTX 380M, which will be under a new architecture; GT200 or GF100. For those that purchased a performance notebook with the 8800M GTX, they are still in very good shape as it is going to be a while for the green team to get their mobile 300 series ready. The thing is, when the GTX 380M is released, it will be very scalable over time just like the G92; shaders will be lasered out to keep it cool until the next shrink, then after the shrink, the full potential of the card will be available along with higher clocks. This is all over time of course, just like the G92. This is an architecture that ATi hasn't been able to juggle with their own cards. They don't have that long term flexibility and scalability that Nvidia has to keep their products performing state of the art without resorting to a new design.

 

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/17241/1/
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/17198/1/
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/17179/1/
http://en.expreview.com/2010/01/12/fermi-to-become-available-in-low-quantities-in-march/6412.html

 

And it's a shame Nvidia rested on it's laurels, because they wouldn't be in the position they are in now on the desktop side which is in Ati's rear-view mirror. The G92 architecture did last a very long time, but they are getting beat up in the desktop market now and have been caught in the laptop segment (it appears). Formulating Nvidia's die-shrink of the GT200 is a guessing game because of common-sense issues like heat and power draw.

If Nvidia does pull that rabbit out of the hat, I'm sure Ati is waiting to punch right back with a proper mobile version of it's 5870.

And the fact that they barely gave any tangible details on their new chips is probably a good indicator of how ready they are to accomplish that.

 

The first article does not mention anything about the GTX 3xxM. The three latter articles have nothing to do with mobile chips.

 

Edited for your editing...

 

fermi will be available in march and other people say fermi will be available in low quantities.

also i am skeptical that fermi will end up in notebook being hotter than GT200

i am not impressed by rebrand garbage and overheating g92b either

 

Thanks Ken...looks great!

 

Yes. Nvidia is starting to lose steam in the desktop market. I don't know what Nvidia is going to do with the GTX 380M. Despite what Nvidia told babyhemi, I doubt that it will come around in March, rather the GTX 285M will be the one that makes it's debut. The GT200 is a very big chip to shrink and I really don't see Nvidia shrinking it and stuffing it in a 17 inch notebook. Now this is me switching to speculation; the GTX 380M will be based on a heavily stripped GF100. CES was just a warm up. The real action will happen in March. All eyes are on Nvidia at CeBIT.

 

The desktop GF100 will be available in March, not the mobile one. My prelude that I gave above was explicitly covering mobile cards with only a mention of the history of the G92 gracing the world in the form of the desktop 8800 GT.

 

Agreed....

 

The console gaming industry also plays a stronger influential role now with the PC gaming industry. http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5486910&postcount=576

But ironically, they are doing the same thing that Nvidia and ATi are doing right now; miniaturizing and rereleasing the same consoles.

 

ati is a HARDWARE company not like nvidia
nvidia failed company with a failed CEO who thinks nvidia is a software company = EPIC FAIL
http://en.expreview.com/2009/10/24/nvidia-ceo-we-are-a-software-company/5613.html

by the time nvidia released fermi, the next generation of ati(RV970) will be released


edit:
i quoted words from the ceo

 

What? I'm not talking about that. I am saying that the console market has some influence over the progression of PC gaming hardware. Both Nvidia and ATi develop their own hardware and software. Nvidia is just known more for their visual computing while ATi is known for designing and producing semiconductors. I don't see how the link above is relevant to my idea of the possible correlation between the console and the PC markets. Also, I don't know why you took that article literally. I think you need to reread what the Nvidia CEO really meant.

 

I was just trying to say that nvidia has lost its focus now, WASTED TONS OF money on not so successful CUDA, REBRAND GARBAGE(g92), nm(65,55)

and now the fermi big(EXPENSIVE TO MAKE) and hot chips. i know price/performance will be for ati. i wonder how nvidia can back to its game

 

i don't think i can wait until march there are databases to be made. School is killing me ... i am trying to make it work out but ehhh

Either way i would go with my reseller again any day

 

What did u cancel?

 

It could have used a little more cowbell.

 

The desktop versions of Fermi (GF100) won't be out until March. Following Nvidia's trend for releasing mobile parts, we wont see the mobile versions of Fermi until the end of the year or possibly next year. Until then we will be seeing rebadged versions of GT200 with DX10.1 support. Evident with the release of the GTS 360M.

 

GTS 360M is just a REBRAND GTS 260m with higher clock
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTS-360M.24058.0.html

GTS 360M is NOT FASTER than GTX 260m nor GTX 280m and by the time Fermi arrived at notebooks, ATI will have its New Generation/Architecture RV970

nvidia WAKE UP!!!

edit:
GTS 260m was officially announced at June 15 2009 and for some reasons(i do not know) no one used/incorporate the card to this date AFAIK

 

The GTS 260M never did make it physically into the world, it was just written down on paper. For all we know, the GTS 360M is the GTS 260M. It's just a marketing scheme. It's 100 more of something which makes it better, that's not the case here.

I never said it was faster than the current GTX 260M and GTX 280M. Currently Nvidia has nothing on the table to overthrow the GTX 260M, GTX280M and it's future 285M.

We'll just have to wait and see what develops. As Soviet says, Nvidia parts are scalable. Which could potentially mean the 1st generation of the mobile Fermi could be rebadged to beat ATI's future releases.

 

Reminds me of Innovation vs Rebranding


http://www.geeks3d.com/20090415/ati-vs-nvidia-innovation-vs-rebranding/

 

hey i preordered my G73 a day or two after it was announced. I see on Xotic PC that the release has been pushed back to Mid to Late February. What happened did it get delayed again and if so anyone know why? This wait is driving me nuts lol

 

Sorry. That simply is NOT TRUE. They DO HAVE the 300m series GTX (maybe 380m) on the table and are working for it's SPRING (March-April) release.

 

Desktop versions most likely. Mobile version, I really doubt it.

 

considering reports that fermi will be available in low quantities

i really doubt you will see any fermi on spring or even at the end of the year, also fermi is to big and too hot and TOO EXPENSIVE TO MAKE to end up in notebooks

 

So is this good or bad. I do see the 620 under the processor also. What is the source of this information.

 

How and what technology they use to release a GTX 300M series I do not know. I am convinced from CES that a GTX for notebooks will come out this spring as well as for competition sakes too I hope this to be the case.

 

why would they run those vantage tests at that resolution except to boost the scores....