Asus G51Jx-A1 w/ GTS 360m (GDDR5), now available for pre-sales!

unless they added more than the 128 cores in g92b, probably the same as the 260/280 (112/128).

 

So, does anyone have any idea when the TRUE next generation nVidia card is due out? (Guesses and speculations welcome)

 

End of Q1 2010. Digitimes says Fermi will be unveiled at CES and the "true" launch will be March. That's for desktop parts -- who knows when the mobile parts will hit the shelves.

 

CES 2010 is right around the corner,hopefully we will get to see some new mobile GPU's from Nvidia and AMD.
Stay tuned!

 

The GTS 360M is just a rebrand.

Source

 

Nvidia would be better off rebranding the GTS 260M over the GTX 260M. The 40nm GT215 GPU has more room to increase power draw and with faster clocks it's 96 cores could out perform the 112 cores of the 55nm GPU that would have problems taking more power and heat.

What's really hurting Nvidia is so far they've failed to die shrink anything with more than 96 cores down to 40nm....they've even had to rebrand the G92b again to produce the 128 core desktop GTS 250. If Nvidia can manage to shrink something with 128 cores based on G200 or G92 down to 40nm they would probably milk it until some time in 2011...when ATI is expected to have it's 32nm or 28nm next-gen architecture coming out of Global Foundries.

If you mean Fermi in the mobile market then not for a long time. Fermi is huge (est. 530mm² vs ATI 5870's 334mm² die-size), expected to run very hot, and isn't aimed, design-wise, for notebooks.

Rumors are the cores on Fermi were dropped from the planned 512 to 448...which either backs up the heat output, or suggests that TSMC is having trouble producing Fermi GPUs with the full number of cores. And if ATI had problems with supplies of the 5000 series cards what do you think Nvidia is going to go through trying to get a ~59% larger Fermi GPU out of the same size wafer of silicon?


All this of course doesn't take into account the FTC ruling that Intel has to hand out x86 licenses and Nvidia changes it's company direction totally by taking the wraps off the CPU they've been secretly working on.

 

GT 240 = GTS 250M = GTS 260M = GT215 GPU.


But that article is not really any more of a source than we are here.

 

The point is that the 360M GTS is not Fermi, nor is it something that beats the GTX 260M by a huge margin. I would call that a rebrand.

 

@rapion125
Don't take this post personally because your not the only one this is directed at, more like 1/1000 users.

Anyway, can people stop informing us that the 360m is a rebrand!? We all know this already and no one disagrees. It is unanimous so stop trying to convince us of what we already know. Every thread in every forum is the same, this laptop comes up in conversation and then 5/10 posts are stating the 360m is a rebrand with no solid evidence why, just their undirected speculation.

So if it is something you've already read in the thread, and you don't have anything worthwhile, insightful, or informative, then please don't post. It causes threads to become cluttered with repetition and makes it hard to find relevant information.

Thanks

 

The 360M is now on nVidia's website. Sorry if it's already been posted.

360M: http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gts_360m_us.html
260M: http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gtx_260m_us.html

Quick comparison:
-96 CUDA cores vs. 112 for the 260M
-413 Gigaflops vs. 462 for the 260M
-Memory clock is "up to" 2000 MHz vs. 950 for the 260M
-128-bit memory interface vs. 256-bit for the 260M

There you have it -- fewer cores and faster but lower bandwidth memory. I'm guessing it's about the same performance (slightly slower if anything) and slightly more energy efficient. Nothing to spill your milk over, that's for sure.

 

Just as predicted and its actually a weaker core. GG nVidia and Asus! I hope ATi releases the 5800 series asap so I can dump my 260M.

 

Except the card posted on Gentech was the GTX not the GTS (of course it could be a typo which is what I'm assuming)

 

Good point, and I agree it's probably a typo.

 

Why do you compare GTS to GTX?

 

You are both correct, it was a typo. The Asus G51JX-A1 will have the GTS 360m video card, not the GTX 360m. Hope this helps clarify everything

 

That explains it. So it means there will be no 360M GTX?

 

There might be a GTX 360M in the future, but it won't be in the Asus G51JX model.

Sorry, no info has been provided by nVidia yet on any other new/re-branded video cards.

 

Go downgrade!

Too bad, was hoping it was a GTX (even if it is a rebadge). So now the JX will actually be weaker than the J =/

 

Maybe thats ASUS's clever solution for heat reduction... because why would any company release newer weaker machines, especially gaming series where performance is the priority.

 

True, trying to provide a weaker card to reduce heat for those who don't do their homework on the hardware before purchasing. Its a hit and miss, on one hand you grab a bunch of new users who believe they're getting a next-gen card with their laptop and while on the other hand you lose business of actual enthusiast who knows very well that this card is weaker than the 260m.

 

Yes thats true and I guess there are probably more customers which are not so into computers and would presume the 360M is faster (but thats my wild guess). Heh I can't forget once when i purchased a desktop with a 8400 insteead of a 7600, coz i thought the 8- series was newer therfore faster .

 

Knowing that I have the choice between the GTX 260m and the GTS 360m, I'm still going to choose the latter. I'll happily trade the slight performance hit for a cooler running, longer lasting laptop. I'm not exactly an extremely knowledgeable person when it comes to GPU's though, so would somebody mind giving me a gauge of how much of a hit in performance this is going to be?

 

Is the GPU upgradable on the G51J? In every laptop I've owned it the past, it is not.

 

^Technically the GPU can be taken out but unfortunately there have not been any upgrades available from ASUS to install in the machine.

@brochiller - Besides what is listed on nVIDIA's website for the GTS 360M & GTX 260M we will know allot more once the first machine arrives and further benchmarking can be done.

 

Bottom line is that if you guys want an upgradeable notebook that conforms to MXM 3.0b standards, buy an Alienware or Clevo. The Asus was always meant to be a one run cut down budget machine. They completely botched the G51-J and hopefully they learned their lesson and at least fixed the BSOD issue. The old adage "you get what you pay for" always applies.

 

Hmmmm, strong opinion, considering where you are posting..... perhaps have a little consideration for Asus owners? I think some would feel their Asus purchases were a little more than " a one run cut down budget machine". I am sure there have been model failures, and some successes as well, and not all can necessarily afford the boutique brands.

Just a thought, and just an opinion..... sorry! My next purchase will likely be an Asus.....

 

And with a link about the massive Dell "Throttlegate" issue in the signature, no less! Better gaming performance on the battery than off; woohoo! Oh, I've read about the work-arounds for that little problem (in a $2000+ laptop, no less)...can't wait to see how those stand the test of time Pot, meet kettle.

I think some folks are blowing a few (comparatively speaking) faulty G51Js WAY out of proportion. Same as people have done to the Palm Pre, Windows Vista, iPhone 3GS, Dell XPS M1330.....

 

Personally, I really like Asus, and cannot stand how overpriced the Clevos and the Alienwares are. With Asus, you get the same components for $500 or more off a comprable Dell/Alienware.

 

Great News Guys,

The Asus G51Jx-A1 is back online for pre-sales! The link is good now!

Asus G51Jx-A1 15.6" FHD LED/Core i7 720QM/NV GTS 360M 1GB GDDR5/6G DDR3/500G/W7HP64

 

nice, 6gb of ram. I would have like that in my G51J.

 

Looks like the G51J was taken off as well.

 

So when exactly will you get your hands on one and run some tests?

 

All the top tier companies seem to have one flaw or another but that wasn't the point of my post. It was to point out that Asus's main focus is the budget market and thus their systems come with compromises ( inadequate cooling, poor display quality, hardware shortcuts that lead to BSODs, crippled video cards, depot dependent warranty service etc) to reach that price point. They also reverse the MXM connector thus limiting their users from upgrading, hence my statement about Asus being one run budget machines. By the way, I owned a G51 myself so I'm speaking from experience and my statements shouldn't be construed as talking down to Asus owners because that's not the intent.

 

Aw, I liked the fact that the G51J came with a secondary hard drive.

Or they've just selected the wrong customization layout.

 

Looks like they might be trying to clear out some stock over at Newegg. They dropped the price of the G51Vx-X3a $100 to $1099. It was $1199 just yesterday I believe.

 

Nope. Xoticpc's site shows the same.

Looks like the G51Jx gets 4 RAM slots and loses 1 HDD bay.

Spotted that as well. If Bing goes up for Newegg, that might be a very promising purchase.

 

I'm starting to feel good about my G51J-A1. You could be write dtwn. A weaker GPU with the loss of a 2nd HDD bay isn't an upgrade to me. 6GB of RAM looks nice on paper, but what they probably did is add 3 sticks of 2GB DDR3 in the machine which would end up being cheaper in the overall costs while the addition of the extra RAM slots to the same chassis meant the loss of the 2nd HDD bay.

 

The G51Jx looks decent. It has 4 RAM slots, but only one hard drive bay.

 

Which is a FAIL for me: eventually I want to have a SSD main drive with a magnetic backup drive in the same machine, so it looks like I'll be sticking with the G51J-A1. It's an interesting configuration change, however... with more slots it seems ASUS is aiming it at movie renders, program compiles, stuff like that (as well as games of course).

 

Well its not a bad move imo, i mean there are very limited options to get pass 4gb of ram without blowing like $400+, i mean with esata you can still back up fine outside thru a mec drive, although a little inconvenient. But i would trade the 2nd hdd slot for a 2nd fan/cooler (even take the dvd away but give us 2nd cooler).

 

Yup that would have been the smart design decision if they were still catering to gamers (which I don't think they are). 2nd fan + fully clocked 280M at G51-J prices would've made it a beast and eaten into Clevo/AW sales.

 

Now that I think of it, that would be a smart move for Asus to design a notebook like that and sell it at that price. Asus needs to throw their hat into the top tier ring to compete with Clevo and AW. More competition means more innovations. But getting back to reality, that's never going to happen.

 

Regarding the GTS 360, do we know the core speeds? Because that's just 16% more hardware, and if they dropped from 55 to 40 nm...

Either way though, it looks like a fine part to me. Big upgrade for me, and if they've fixed the system stability (and USB pretty please?) I'd have zero complaints.

4 RAM slots is interesting, and super unusual. (Shipping with three DIMMS is weird though...might have to replace one with 2 DIMMS to keep it in dual channel properly?) The only system I can remember that on is a Dell Precision. Assuming all 4 actually work, it would make it super cheap to get to 8GB. Granted 8GB isn't really needed for most of us now, and yeah, I'd have thoughts of getting an SSD and supplementing it with a mechanical drive too, but either way sounds like you're getting SOMETHING handy and somewhat unusual on a notebook.

 

This might interest you Asus fans: http://www.xoticpc.com/asus-g73jha1-p-2731.html

G73 with an ATi 5870 GDDR5 seems far more attractive than a gimped G51Jx.

 

Hello replacement for my G51J.

Thanks for the link Joker

 

Now that's one hell of a laptop. Thanks for the link Joker.

How are you going to replace your G51J-A1 with that?

 

One of my friend actually wants my G51J, so probably selling it to him and getting the G73. Since my G51J doesn't BSOD, I don't think I would be ripping my own friend off

 

The specs on the G73 are amazing for the price.... Very tempting ...

 

Can I have the contact information of your friend?








Na, I'm just kiddin. Too bad I didn't wait, cause that's a true gaming machine.

 

Sure, 905-............

Yeah the specs for this machine is great, just wish ASUS gave more love to the G51J, that BSOD issue is even stressing me out, and I don't have the problem! I don't want to turn on the machine one morning and find out it BSOD or some other retarded error >.<