I think shutdown happens when it reaches about 110C or so. That failsafe is what saves your gpu from reaching temps that would damage it. If you can live with the shutdowns then no need to repaste. I don't know what the life of an average laptop gpu/cpu is but I would think it's way over 2 years even if you are skirting shutdown temps on a regular basis.
Most of the people on the forum did it for their own personal piece of mind even if it was totally unnecessary.
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Lets' uh... try to stay more or less on topic and not argue about tangential things. Had to delete a few posts. Too much to edit. I don't like to delete posts since time was taken to make them. So please think ahead going forward so I or another mod won't have to.
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My G72 lasted only a few minutes of SC2 before thermal slowdown (GPU down-clocked and fans went to max). I took it to a local ASC and it was re-pasted and returned working great.
So yes I've seen two ASUS machines out of five purchased from a variety of sources that had demonstrable paste-related thermal issues at right around 100-103C.
On the other hand I've owned 15 Apple iMac and MBP computers over the past 5 years and several ran at 100+C and never slowed down. On the few I bothered to take back a re-paste lowered the temps significantly. Apple is well know for applying way too much paste during manufacture.
Some of the confusion among some folks in the US is the 100F vs 100C issue but for the most part I just think there are more than a few systems that get through manufacturing with poor paste application.
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As for repasting, I have a link in my sig that shows that several people (after repaste) hit 95 with furmark. So if you're around that, you're still safe.
As for dry vs. wet paste, you can find that argument all over the net. I used ICD, because it is thick and easy to use with this heatsink - if I had a dell, I'd probably have used whatever paste I had in my toolbox, because I could add a retention clip or secure the heatsink really well ... but that's not the case here. For me, ICD worked well, but as many MANY people have said (in fact, most people who recommend ICD have also said) ... any paste will do, if applied correctly. -
my debate with BTOTech gets circular with age, and do not wish to continue it. In the end, we agreed that the pasting I got was subpar, and thus the reason for the results. I felt there were more like mine than what he felt. He also feels that people who repaste their units are fools. So I am quite content with my foolish repaste and watching him rant about it 'til he's blue in the face.
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On the topic of thermal paste, I usually replace all stock thermal paste no matter if it's on a laptop or a desktop as a habit. I have a tendency to overclock my CPUs and although nothing can beat a good thermal assembly, losing a degree or two is worth it IMO since I have lots of spare ICD7 and AS5 laying around. Another popular method among modders (at least in the desktop realm) is to lap your CPU. This will create a smoother surface and better heat transfer from the CPU to the heatsink but has the disadvantage of losing your warranty and potentially bending the pins on your CPU rendering it useless.
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temps is highest for TSS1, goes up to 103 sometimes, other two readings are appr. 5 degrees lower most of the time.
I think some cleaning should give me a bit more silence --> slower fans. gonna try that today. But as i mentioned in earlier posts, i dont have regular shutdowns or any other big problems with my machine, it was more silent when i got it and thats the way id like it to be again. repasting is the last option for me although im not really really afraid to do it, i just dont really really wanna do it
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I am NOT trying to stir the pot, but as someone who never would have come to this website EVER, if it were not for overheating issues, I have to challenge a few of these statements. I don't doubt Geared has repasted more computers than all the rest of us combined, but I don't understand how you can conclude the that repasting and BIOS updates will not help you based upon the evidence I will present below.
211 BIOS, 84C, 5-6C cooler, same laptop, same day, same room, same air temp, etc
90C Before Repasting
83C after repasting, 5-7C drop, same laptop same day, CCC10.8
Now for my laptop, the repaste is irrelevant as the difference between operating at 90C vs 83C is absolutely zero. But for users who's laptops shutdown, then prepasting is a valid option.
Therefore, if your laptop is shutting down due to heat and you are running bios 209, it is reasonable to conclude updating to 211/213 and repasting should reduce your temps at least 10-15C which should result is never having heat related shutdowns ever again.
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well i gotta say, i cleaned my rear vents today. i did a sloppy job, didnt work all too hard on it cause i didnt want to spend the hour(s) to literally disassemble my sweet sweet laptop, but i managed to bring a fair amount of dust out of there, and my temps dropped from max 103 (average 99) to max 92.5 (average 82.5)!!!! i swear i didnt put too much energy into the job, but still, this is not negligible.. nah its significant!! im happy for now, maybe if i do this regularly i'll even stay happy for quite some time before i have to do some "serious" cleaning job
and btw, i havd this machine since appr. 6 months, so i think its quite a reasonable time to start worrying about dust in a laptop. dust might be the major problems of many people in all tese repaste forums (i know i know surely not all of them)?!?!?
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As for thermal paste, is it impossible to apply some without completely turning the laptop into a transformer?
Edit: That 102C in a game is WITH the cooling pad. I don't dare run my laptop without one now due to this heat situation. Got the cooling pad last month when the heat started shutting down the computer. It seems to only get worse as time goes on as well. I don't want to send my laptop off because Best Buy deems it as a liability to do it themselves and they told me it'd be a 3-4 week turn around to send it off to get done. I don't have that luxury as I work offshore and am at work for a month and need my laptop so I don't explode from boredom. -
Correct, a repaste requires a full disassembly. If you are uncomfortable doing it, then bring it to a pro.
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well as i mentioned in my posting, i didnt do a very good job. if u wanna clean out seriously / thuroughly u will have to disassemble ur laptop. what i did was to open the panel on the bottom and blow compressed air INTO my rear vents, this is surely NOT the best way to do it! problem ist u might blow dust inside places where it shouldnt be. i blew out the room inside as good as possible, and continued until i couldnt get anything out there anymore. still, my temps dropped about 15 - 20 degrees!!! so im pretty sure a repaste is unnecessary for me. also a very important point is to prevent ur vents from moving while u blow air into ur machine, if u dont do that there might be electrical currents induced by the moving vents, this could damage ur laptop and might even kill it!!! i just stuck some stable and very small carton in there to prevent them from spinning. did a fine job for me.
i donot know if thats gonna help u, but i think its woth a try, although ur temps are terrible, 102 WITH a cooling pad, my oh my. maybe ur problem is more serious than mine was, i had those temps without a cooling pad. suggest u give it a try and evaluate ur next steps then -
Yeah, I gave my laptop to freelancer in town and he had it done (cleaned, repasted with AS5) in 6 hours. Sitting at 50C idle no cooler.
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You could try my mod: Internal Wifi Card Help
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Turned out he couldn't either - the case came back with a large lump of glue on it, and a new OS which I specifically said I didn't want. Alas, I was ill and someone else picked it up and paid the bill, and I wasn't able to get back to them.
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Chastity, (or anyone else that wants to comment...)
Was hoping you might be willing to advise. I see you have quite the experience.
My G73 was overheating and shutting down when gaming. I guessed that the fan vents were clogged so I found the disassembly video in this forum and followed it.
The good news is that I got to the fan vents and found them completely clogged and was successful in cleaning them off. The bad news is that
in the disassembly process the connector for the speakers broke off from the mobo. I have included pics.
I was hoping that I could just use the laptop with out speakers but now that I have reassembled, the pc isn't even powering on.
My question is...
Could the broken off connector from the mobo be breaking a circuit that is providing power to the whole system? Or do you think that I have a problem somewhere else?
Your thoughts on the issue are appreciated...
Sincerely,
A very depressed and discouraged G73 owner... =(
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Hmm, I'd expect it to boot anyway... but it could be caused by this of course. But first of all make sure you really plugged in all other cables properly, SATA, Display etc. , and also the fans! I know that some systems won't POST if the fans aren't connected properly.
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Here is a better pic. Flickr: Sojourn4now's Photostream
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check that the wireless card wires are not crossing over your reset or power button. Those things likes to line up with those buttons causing them to keep them depressed when you screw the faceplate back on. might need to move them out of the way.
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YOU ARE THE MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know no other words. Ty Ty Ty Ty Ty Ty Ty Ty Ty Ty
The wireless card wire was exactly over the reset button!!
I hope something really good happens to you, I am so thankful for your post.
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On another note, WHY CAN'T THEY MAKE A LAPTOP THAT HAS VENTS YOU CAN ACCESS WITHOUT TAKING THE WHOLE THING APART????!!!!!
Good day to all.
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Hey,
Here you are the pdf Asus G73 Series Disassembly Guide => Asus G73 disassembly guide.
Same as the first post but you can download it
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Anyone has the full guide to the G73 Service Manual or the full G53 service manual? Would wish to tinker with some things far from just mere disassembly. Any response would be seriously appreciated.
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Heyy everyone, just have a question in my mind. If we disassemble the laptop and the laptop broken down, can we still in the asus warranty for the laptop or not?! is disassemble a violation of the warranty? Personally i just need remove the top cover and change the RAM.
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The warranty is voided if you break something.
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You're expected to use an Authorized Service Provider. And there is no official disassembly guide. The BTOTech author is not from Asus.
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Hey David, thank you so much. One of the fans in my son's Asus was making horrible noise, and your post helped us get it out cleaned, lubed, and reassembled. All is working great now.
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Mine has 4 memories, and I need to access the fourth one, behind the keyboard. How far do I need to go in the guide to get to it?
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Thanks. I hope that's not beyond my capabilities =P
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First, let me just say a huge "thank you" to all of you guys for being so knowledgeable and being so helpful to people like me who know very little about these issues. Just reading all your posts are immensely helpful. Now let me list the issues I'm currently having.
1. I've had the Best Buy version of the Asus G73X for a bit over 2 years now. I think I bought it when it was first available. Since then it's been rock solid except that I wasn't able to run Steam for almost a year. I had to RMA it back to Asus and read up a lot on what the issue was and was finally able to resolve the issue and now I can run Steam without any issues. Recenlty, my laptop has been having some serious overheating issues. It just happened out of nowhwere. I can usually hear the fans running on full blast and the Asus included system utilty flashes a warning sign stating that my system is overheating. At times the laptop shuts itself down. Is it just because dust has built up so much there is no air flow? Or do I need to re-grease the CPU/GPU now?
2. Also where can I get a PDF version of that tear down process so I can have it should I attempt to do the tear down and re-grease the laptop myself?
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First dust it off, in most cases, dust is the culprit.
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Thanks for the reply! Yes, could you please link the PDF? Unfortunately, the G73 is my only computer at home and so I won't have access to youtube while doing the disassembly so I will definitely need a PDF version so I can have a printed version to follow along with. Of course, I'll watch the video multiple times before attempting to do this.
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Here's the 10 min 10$ solution that might just save you a disassembly and repaste: G73 clean out - YouTube.
Index of the Asus disassembly guides we have: http://allurgroceries.com/asus_disassembly/, the G73 is somewhere in there. -
Thanks! I'll try the quick version before I attempt to blow up my laptop. LOL
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HI guys I gladly to do exactly what the tutorial but I have a problem if I try to finger on the area of right keyboard panel, my laptop would like to turn off immediately. So Do I have to disassemble my laptop again to fix the problem ?? and what is exactly problem is ??? Is the power button on motherboard hit something when I do that ?
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Hi,
could you please help telling for sure which HDD is 1st and 2nd. I can`t turn on my G73 and want to send it for repair but feel like removing my D:/ partition HDD with all my data. Is it a left or right hand one after removing the cover on the back? I assume its right one
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Meaker@Sager Company Representative
Check that the company will let you send it in without one of the HDDs. I do believe the primary is on the right as orientating the machine with the front edge towards you and the sticker towards the back.
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Hope you fixed your HDD problem by now. Just go to Youtube to see any repairs you might have to perform, SSD, fan etc.
ASUS G73JH Hard Drive Replacement - Intel 160GB X-25M SSD - YouTube
Asus G73 Series Disassembly Guide
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