Asus G75 680M upgrade

If I get his idea, he suggests using a 1.8' SSD instead of 2.5' HDDs or SSDs to get that extra room for the GPU. If anyone understood what he said in first place please tell us cause I could not get the idea.

 

It may work if you switch to a 1.8" SSD and cut the barrier.

 

correct to place for VGA, 1.8 "has ~ 10mm lass

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with other sata connection can be put on belibte added, so are not the HDD in the paths, problemm is whether new GPU will work .....
for HDDs have two options
1 - 1.8 "
2 mSSD to SATA


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but the plan was to expand GPU heatsinks on three tubules

 

Awww that sucks. Looks like Asus must release a entire new Asus G75 with new design to fit GTX 680M. Good work +rep

I think software wise the GTX 680M will be compatible with existing G75. Just install it and it should work. Problem is to fit it inside the notebook.

 

I can insert the GTX 680M vbios into your G73VW bios if you want, my card should arrive on monday, svl7 already requested me to dump the vbios for him, if you want the GTX 680M vbios I can upload it.

 

I have the G73JW but I need a new notebook ASAP really since its a bit worn out. I am stuck between waiting for Asus to release a notebook with GTX 680M (which also could not happen) or buy Sager/Alienware with it. I prefer Asus to be honest but with a new notebook.

You are so lucky hackness, already recieving that baby next monday. You must be so thrilled.
Let us know everything about it: temperature, FPS, everything

 

Hackness, it would be of incredible progress to this process if you try to install the 680m in you G73 and upload results and photos. Why do you think that it is possible (as regards software and compatibility) the upgrade in the G73/G75 ?

 

I forgot to ask... VSSS where did you take that images from ? Please give us the source since it is likely that there are more of these so incredible images of the G75 disassembled on it.

 

If it doesn't work, the bios may need to be modded, I can see the G75VW bios already contains both GTX 660M and 670M's vbios, the case that the Clevo HD6970M worked in the G73JH without modding the bios is really a rare case for the Asus notebooks. Maybe there's some similarities between the 5870M and the 6970M.

 

Where can you see those things ?

 

I can't wait to try it out too .

Before trying the GTX 680M in the G73JW I might try the GTX 675M in G73JW, but I don't know how to mod the heatsink, that's a big problem. Also for now I can't really wait to game on the GTX 680M on the P150EM .

The way Asus bios's vbios is read, it reads only the vendor ID and the device ID, back in 2008, when inserting a vbios into an Asus bios, you need enter the Module ID 20 and type in the vendor ID and the device ID. But for laptops after G73, you only need to tick the Option ROM up and enter the vendor ID and device ID when inserting the vbios.

evgasr2 has tried Dell HD5870M and Clevo HD5870M on his G73JH and they all worked except the fan goes on full blast. @Tilla tried a msi HD5870M in his G73JH and it works too, fan full blast too. The reason these HD5870M worked in the G73JH was probably because all HD5870M's vendor ID(ATI) and device ID(HD5870M) are the same, and only those 2 are read. Only the sub vendor ID(OEMs) and subsystem ID(the laptop the card was made for) are different and those are ignored, so it might be possible the card might work after inserting the vbios into the bios.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/asus-gaming-notebook-forum/660789-asus-g75-680m-upgrade-4.html#post8663527

In case you missed it .

 

Hackness, now that you say that adding a vbios is possible, does this imply that the compatibility constrains have been over passed and that there are only physical constrains ? If so, this has made huge progress and the only thing that would be left is for someone to try the upgrade. If you only had a G75 in your hands to test your upcoming 680m... Nevertheless it would be great help if you try it on your G73.

 

It was the method they used with the Asus models with the reversed MXM2.1 cards. It was a popular way to extend older Asus model's GPU compatibility and by pass the GPU barrier back in 2008. It's been proven to work on the G50V but for the other G models, it's still a theory but I'll try it eventually, with the GTX 675M in the G73JW first, if GTX 675M works then GTX 680M will work.

The GPU upgrade I've seen on the G73JH so far did not involve BIOS modding. So I assumed that no one has tried vbios insertion for the bios on the G73 series yet, also most people did not know that there is still vbios inside the bios for the recent G series (Every single one of those G series). It'll be done eventually, but the biggest problem I have here is I don't know how to mod the heatsink. Some people will probably suggest ripping P150EM's heatsink off but that will not happen to mine since I just bought the P150EM.

 

Do you own a 675m ? And if you are really looking forward to the upgrade, I think you can buy a spare heat sink from a notebook that uses standard 675m and use it with conjunction of the Asus stock heat pipes and that will do. I really do not know precisely how to make this fusion of separating the heat sink from the pipes and then re-joining them with other pipes.

Can you explain me the difference between the bios and vbios ? That has been something that I never cleared in my mind. And what does it take to insert a bios ?

 

The current GPU on my P150EM is a GTX675M, going to be replaced by a GTX680M soon. Guess desoldering and soldering the heatsink will require professional solder gun or something like that, kinda out of my reach.

BIOS is for the motherboard, vbios is for the GPU. Popular tool people use for inserting a vbios into a bios is MMTool.

 

are you going to try gtx 580/675 on your Asus g73jw ?
it would post , but it wont go further than that ,
you will need to replace asus gtx 460 vbios with gtx 675 vbios to make it fully work.

 

I'll try it but it won't be now, gotta enjoy the GTX 680M on P150EM first . The bios can actually hold more than 2 vbios by the way. What I'll do is insert the GTX 675M's vbios into the bios, and keep the GTX 460M, so if it doesn't post I can still switch back to GTX 460M.

 

Does anyone know what type of high end GPUs come in MxM Type A ? Type A is shorter that B.

 

Not that I know of, type B's maximum TDP is 100W and type A's maximum TDP is 55W, you might want to start searching from those cards that run at 55W, and 55W isn't really enough to feed a high end card.

 

To desolder and then resolder the copper heatpipes you will need to use a heat gun that can reach 650 Celsius.

 

hello,
when one goes into the bios then integrated vbios defend the very simple, but the new VBIOS must also be controlled through hardware,
all hardware comunicate must at Main board BIOS is only control element, if BIOS has hardware IDs available then remaining elements to detect new ID hardware, I think the insert new VBIOS enough to have with new hardware is not a full inspection, Clevo bios have time looked at and there is no VBIOS of the control-so GTX670 exist only in the EC FW? , Asus determined VBIOS in the BIOS and EC Firmware is built, or EC has hardware ID detection?.
here plann simple switching



http://ami.com/support/doc/AMI_MegaRACProductCatalog_PUB_Q3-2012.pdf
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ACPI : http://acpi.info/DOWNLOADS/ACPIspec40a.pdf


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I'm pretty sure that a device id has to be acpi entry exists,
The critical problems were due to G73 with the GPU fan data at upgreade






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info dgpu OFF

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Jehaaa , Fann control tutorial witch ACPI

 

?? I did not understand a word of what he said. From what I got, bios insertion concerns and problems that may occur with the GPU fan. What did you get from that ?

 

I'm pretty sure the insert pure vbios not enough to eliminate all critical problems, ACPI has great influence on whole system, ACPI must also include hardware ID as fans have control even if Asus ACPI driver uses its own then we have problemm

 

I've read something of that sort when people upgraded its GPU in the G73JH to a 6970 and depending of it they bought it from Sager, Dell or Eurocom, it had fan throttling problems. Fan seemed to be at max speed all the time with one particular brand. What VSSS says is true, just the GPU to be able to boot is not the whole thing, it has to be able to communicate with other devices such as fans and others.

 

Why only ASUS has inegriert VBIOS in the bios? , Clevo and MSI have included Nvidia as AMD VBIOS not in the bios, Clevo and MSI have only Intel VBIOS:

easier to have just enough to change the device ID ACPI 660m to 680m, then the fans should behave as at 680 to 660, if 680 is also integrated in the BIOS VBIOS dall should GTX680 to comunicate without critical problems with ACPI <-> BIOS <-> fans <-> GTX680

and can also integrate Intel VBIOS not hurt, depending on the VGA connection can also be used Intel GPU (unlock in MMT and in the BIOS switch to iGPU / dGPU)

 

vsss can you edit the Asus G73Jh bios , and put all those values into it to get fan control with clevo hd 5870m so I can test it now.
then it would be helpful for otherss

 

EC will not be able to read the temperature reported by the unsupported cards. When trying to upgrade the GPU in an Asus laptop this is the first thing you need to know.

 

But even if you insert the VBIOS of the 680m, the EC would not be able to read the temps ?

 

easier Metode is VBIOS integrate into BIOS, ACPI work (ID gets Change customer) and should work, it may be that Clevo uses different connection, and so with ACPI can not be autonomous (I briefly thought an ACPI Clevo use when GPU has Clevo BIOS and VBIOS is inegriert in the bios)
VBIOS is questionable in the BIOS at ASUS, is incomprehensible to the VBIOS must score at the other bios of all have his ID, the hardware can be found,
But if mainboard GPU sensors can then identify the remains of the sensor makes the ACPI fan data address to assign,

@ all
I can do anything just at present I have no Asus, has hurt my M18r1 motherboard (technician gave me a plug-ruined)
I do not want any more Dell

 

Alienware has always been a mystery to me, loads of people say it has incredibly blasting performance and another ton of people say that they have had the worst customer service and that Dell is trash. Either way, if you think on buying an Asus, G75 is the way to go. 670m models seems to be shaking the ground quite a bit taking into account that you can get a G75 with it for $1500...

Sorry for double posting but I post things as they occur in my mind. How are HDD connected to the mobo in a notebook ? Because if we are able to withdraw the HDDs back a little, the card may fit and there would be no need at all on buying 1.8' SSDs or HDDs. Of course this would only be possible IF there is a way to relocate the HDDs. Also bare in mind that there is the extra option of removing the optical drive and filling it with a HDD. What do you think ?

 

I need exact calculation:
MMX slot including slide-up HDD = xxx mm,

HDD are here no problemm I have lots of options 1.8 "SSD / HDD or SATA to mSATA I am looking for a connection plug mainboard HDD approximately 10 cm cable y, shows me the GTX680m works, I'll show you the conversion
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Dell hotline is very good, but engineers use is sometimes catastrophic,
I have my alien zich times unscrewed and not ruined,
But I have three laptop I can not even buy one, my wife will kill me if I buy another one, I have to get rid of M18 Then it easier to get rid of M18 is also easy (accident prevention) lol

 

The 670 or 660 doesn't pull 100w, the 675 does. I think there's going to be an OCP protection that will autoshutdown once it hits 100w

BIOS= Mobo firmware
vBIOS= VGA firmware

The alienware contact plate and heatpipes for the 675M will NOT work

The ASUS contact plate and alienware heatpipes will not work either, the contact plate is irregularly shaped and the point where the heatpipe connects is not similar

The Clevo heatsink is way to short for this

 

I think that won't be a problem since Ivy Bridge is a low consumption CPU son the power that the CPU saves is used to power the 680m. I've heard people say that in case more power is needed they buy a larger wall brick. Of course there is a risk that the modo would not support the wattage but I'm not sure. 670m is said to drain between 75W and a bit more so an OC 670m would drain over a 100W. It is known that G75 can handle a OC 670m so the power consumption of the 680m would be just a bit higher that the one of the OC 670m.

I proposed the other way round, Alienware or other contact plate and Asus heat pipes. That would eventually fit, how to make that custom heat sink is an adventure I think.

I think you are the man here along with Hackness, both of you are willing to try the upgrade but none of you have a G75...

 

I tried emailing some random Asus contacts I found on the internet about making a new model with GTX 680M but I think it may have bounced back again since the email adresses couldn`t be found.

If anyone know how to get in touch with Asus, let me know. You people should also email them your opinion if you want the 680M inside a G-notebook

 

It still will not be able to read, GPU upgrade on the old Asus laptops showed the same sign too, what they did is force flash the bios with a bios that came from other models, obviously you can't do this here because the GTX 680M came from Clevo.

 

And what would that imply ? A non functional fan or a fan that is always at full speed ?

 

Always on full speed, if you remove your GPU and turn the machine on, it won't POST but fans will go on full speed, it's the same mode as not being able to read the GPU temp.

 

Any way to avoid that ?

 

Nope, it's been there since Asus A8 series (2007), no one has managed to extract the ACPI bit yet.

 

That would be pretty annoying... I think that settles a big condition, I know the fan being at full speed all the time is a tiny incident compared to what would have been modify the heat sink and all of that but it will be quite a thing to considerate before upgrade.

I always wondered how Sager or Alienware upgrades are like... just swap cards and as easy as that BAM you have the upgrade done ? Because all the GPUs that Upgrade Monkey sells claim to be for Alienware, Sager or Eurocom.

 

The alienware contact plate on the 17x R3/4 has the heatpipe going out of the right side of the mxm slot (as seen in the 17x R3/4), the asus heatpipe coming out of the asus contact plate is straight and passes over the mxm slot on the G75

17x hsf assembly
| |
| |
|mxm|==>heatpipe

Laptop exhaust

G75 hsf assembly
| |
| |mxm
| |====> heatpipe laptop exhaust




The G75 mxm slot has to be reversed 90 degs clockwise to use the 17x contact plate

 

That is no god news. Also even if we can get a compatible contact plate with the Asus heat pipes, we will need some sort of heat gun to un-solder the original parts and re-solder them in cross brand configurations. In this thread, http://forum.notebookreview.com/asus-gaming-notebook-forum/641007-g73jh-6970m-upgrade-infomation.html, you can see how the 6970m upgrade was made for the G73JH and the man who is explaining the steps says that the heat gun must be able to reach 650 C so to make the solder possible. There's the possibility of just buying a metal plate of the size of the card and just soldering the heat pipes to it and manually making the mounting holes with a drill.

 

650c as it will heat it faster and the solder will bond the parts better. But the job has to be done fast as if you heat it for too long it will expand the heatpipe up and it will not remove heat as it should.

Best way i found to solder it was get a slice of solder and but it between then parts that you want to solder. Then heatsink and pipes put between to metall plates so you have a bit of force on the parts and then just heat the plate on the heatsink side untill you can see the solder melt. You might also want to get a air compressor or add some fan to cool the vent on the heatpipe. It will remove heat from the core of the heatpipe but the outer copper surface will get hot.

The idea of the plate is to keep pressure on the pipes so it does not expand and when you are soldering you will not have the mess that i did with my first go. It is a real pain to solder it if you do not apply pressure on bouth sides of the parts you are soldering.

If you solder it on a desk without pressure on it you will not get a good bond also the copper plate that removes heat from the GPU will just desolder itself out of place and if you dont see that you might crack the GPU core later

 

DH48, I see that in your signature you have listed a G73 with a 6870m, is this the upgrade you are talking about ? If so, can you tell us a bit of how you did the upgrade (problems encountered and all that stuff) ?

 

It was 6970m but it died after i did a repaste and the original 5870 died also so i got me a AW M17x r3 with 6870m and as the 6970m went under warranty i had the R3 get the 6970m and i just but the 6870m in the G73JH so my GF can use it. Same problems as with the 6970m...fans speed was crazy and no HDMI sound but worked but enough of OT.
There is a thread about how some of us here did the swap

I would realy like to see someone test the 680 or any nvidia MXM GPU in the G75.

 

Amazon.com: Black & Decker HG1300 Dual Temperature Heat Gun: Power & Hand Tools here

There are many heat guns for less than 30 that will do what you need, they may look like hair dryers but they can get very hot! good luck gentlemen!

 

So there is absolutely no fix to the max fan speed issue ? :S Where you able to solve it DH48, and was it all the time at full throttle ?

 

I think some members here use a registry hacker to control the fanspeed, unsure how though.

 

Is that the so called MMTool ?