Asus ROG G55 & G75 in April with gtx 670m

lol why are trollers saying 670 is better than 580

 

Speculating is fun when news is slow. We probably won't find out what's what for at least another month, so why not guess at what will be revealed?

And how is my logic trolling?

It will likely have:

1. More shaders than the 570M
2. Higher clocks than the 570M

My conclusion is simple: Today, an overclocked 570M matches the stock 580M. If my numbers one and two are correct, that makes the 670M like an overclocked 570M, but with even more shader and architectural improvements. How then does it not equal the 580M?

I believe my projections are accurate, but will eat my portion of crow if I'm off base.

 

I won't be among the first to buy it like I was with G73. I'll wait for others to discover if it's solid or not.

And I also expect the 670M to be as fast or faster than the 580M. Kepler is the real deal. Kevin is not trolling.

I'll wait and see what Clevo has to offer. I may have to go with an AMD still, the new GCN core is exciting as well. Again will have to wait and see how competitive Nvidia will be with their pricing.

Everything but the broken vBios is still working on my G73JH and have to say I've gotten good use out of it. Used it for work and spent many hours gaming on it. It has served it's purpose well. But if Asus increases the price of the G75 to close to $2K, I'll likely go with Clevo instead. I just don't feel an Asus notebook is worth $2000 yet, same with MSI.

 

A proper comparison would be GTX260M vs GTX460M. From the G72 to G73 there was roughly 30% increase in performance. Not to mention all the added gimmicks in the 460M such as DX11, shader model, etc etc.

So why not 670M have the same performance improvement over the 570M ?

 

Above all else, these 2 new models of g-series laptops have an embedded gpu on the board (just like what asus did with their G74 series). And even if asus put an mxm board (detachable v.cards like alienware,clevo or sager brands) with their new laptop models, its not mechanically compatible with 3rd party mxm vcards. This is a big no for me when I am planning to buy a new laptop. I am opting for a Sager/Clevo soon.

 

They are MXM boards, just integrated to the motherboard.

 

This is true for most cards that follow the same architecture, especially the 460m and 560m. An overclocked 460m performs almost identically to a stock 560m.

Nobody really knows what the new Kepler architecture will bring in terms of performance however. I'd be willing to guess however that the new 6xxm will be significantly faster than the 5xxm gen though, based on the fact that new, smaller architectures seems to squeeze more pipes onto the same TDP and board size. This also means more room for overclocks/overvolts (if not hardwired).

Remember however that the second digit such as the 6 in 560m also plays a HUGE part in performance. For example, although the 485m is a generation "behind," it is still ridiculously fast. (The 485m is approx. equivalent to a 570m, give or take a percent)

 

I think the 670M will be plenty fast and the cooling should be good enough for a 10-20% overclock. The 192bit GDDR5 will be plenty fast enough. The bottleneck for the GPU will still be power and heat, not the ram bandwidth.

Though I may still wait to see what Clevo has to offer. I'm liking the idea of a Sager with 3720QM and 675M (256bit). I have a feeling that the G75 will not be cheap or as affordable as the G73jh was.
- IF Asus prices the G75 like they did with the G73JH, I'll consider it.

It's probably going to come down to price for me. If G75 is $1500, I'll get it. If it's 2K, then I'll go with Clevo probably. Though Clevo's keyboard is still really crappy. Although I also have employee discount with Dell now, I wonder if I can get a good price for an Alienware.

Hmmm... Sort of torn. Despite my anger with the vBios on the 5870M, I have to admit, this machine is still running like a champ. And I really don't care if I can't upgrade the GPU. I buy entire new laptops anyway. I wait until the new CPU and GPU tech are out... meaning can't upgrade to the next gen CPU. I can't upgrade my G73jh to the 3rd gen sandy bridge, so for me to upgrade, it's a system upgrade...

 

Isn't that mostly remedied by ASUS' cooling system on the G series anyways?

 

The heat maybe, but not the voltage limitations. The voltage on my Mobility 5870 is hardwired, which means that I'll never be able to achieve a very high yet stable overclock on it.

 

Very true. The second digit is also very important in determining the performance of AMD's GPUs, although I would say that AMD's numbering system is even more confusing than Nvidia's.

That's surprising the older GTX 485M is about equal to the 570M. I always thought that it was about as fast as the 580M considering that it's based off the desktop GTX 460 1GB but with more CUDA cores and lower clocks.

 

The 485M is 15 to 20 percent faster than the 570M.

More cores, more ROPs, and more bandwidth, while they have the same exact clocks.

485:


570M:

 

Yeah sounds about right. I remember the GTX 485M used to be top-of-the-line, occupying the same spot as the 580M now.

 

Hopefully Asus is finally doing actual high-end gaming laptops again. Haven't really seen that in about 2 years.

 

ok...but a 560m overclocked matches a stock 570m?

 

No, it doesn't.

 

Sarge is correct. The 570m has 336 pipelines while the 560m has only 192. Overclocking will close the gap slightly, but the 570m will still greatly outperform the 560m. (Even then, the 570m can be overclocked as well)

The 460m and 560m are both based on the same architecture and the same pipes; the only difference is clocks and power usage. The 560m though can overclock higher more safely. (reliably)

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570M - Notebookcheck.net Tech

Edit: I really wish they still sold laptops with the 485m. They would now be cheaper with the release of two new generations (the 6xx generation will be soon), while still giving amazing performance.

 

I'm not here to suck up but I totally agree with Kevin, GTX 670M = GTX 580M (-10%).

The GTX 670M will be 70 watts which = 100W 500M series and will be 30% faster than the card it is replacing GTX 470M which equals GTX 580M (-10%).

I was thinking of getting a Qosmio X775 with GTX 560M but I think I'll be waiting for Qosmio Ivy with a 600M series card which most likely be GTX 470M same as the ASUS but I prefer a lighter laptop so heavier gaming laptops like ASUS, MSI and Sager does not appeal to me.

 

I'm not worried about the weight as I would be about the sound of the fans and cooling.

 

Unless G55/G75 come with GTX 675M, we will not see a big improvement in the the GPU performance. It will be like the transition from 460M to 560M (minimal)



But, it's improvement nonetheless.

 

I've already explained why that isn't true. The leap in power from 560M to 670M will be at least 2x.

 

As Kevin has stated it'll be close to GTX 580M (10% slower, IMO) with the same TDP as GTX 560M (70W).

I'm going to bring this up again, but remember the infamous HD 4850 55nm desktop video card with 114W TDP?

The first 40nm card to be released was the HD 4770 which was basically the same card (10% slower), in the same 4000 series and had a 80W TDP compared to HD 4850 114W TDP.

Well, just imagine what the HD 4770 would be if it had the same 114W TDP and was in a higher series eg. higher 5000 series (architecture change)?

Oh that's right it, it became a HD 5770, 40nm, 108W TDP with 20/30% faster performance than a HD 4850 or in other words a close to a 160W TDP HD 4870 (10%).

Considering the GTX 670M has a 30% power reduction compared to last gens GTX 580M (70W versus 100W) and a reduction in die (40nm to 28nm), it'll be like the same comparison of the HD 4850 to HD 4770 transition but with a series change (500M series to 600M series vs. same 4000 series on the desktop) or in other words a HD 4870 turned into HD 5770 with 30% reduction in TDP.

IMO, the GTX 670M will be within 10% performance of the GTX 580M minimal and exactly the same as a GTX 580M maximum (not very likely to be the same as a GTX 580M but you never know) with a 70W TDP.

My guess is the GTX 670M will be based on the GTX 650 Ti desktop card with 448 Cuda cores but with 192-bit memory (GTX 580M = 256-bit and GTX 650 Ti = 224-bit) and has a lower core clock (550Mhz).

 

The point isn't the power of a 670. But you discussing about and don't know if there will be a next gen G-series with one of it?
It could be a 650M or 660M. Asus wasn't really able to improve performance since G73JH.

 

@tilla

It's not about ASUS improving performance from the G73 to G74, etc...it's all about NVIDIA's new 28nm 600M series and Intel's 22nm Ivy Bridge (which could improve the performance of the PCIe lanes and how the 22nm CPU is used for gaming) and the fact that everyone knows a reduced die equals same performance with less power or slightly less power with more performance compared to previous generation products.

Well all know the ASUS G74 can handle a 45W CPU and 75W GPU with it's current form factor and judging by the look of the G75 (which hasn't changed much eg. thinner and lighter) it's will be able to handle the same power output but with shrunk die 22nm Ivy Bridge CPU and 28nm 600M GeForce GPU.

Which can only mean one thing, Intel's Ivy Bridge CPU a still 35W/45W TDP with 60% more performance to the IGP (HD 4000, DX11), possibly improved performance to PCIe lanes (affects HDD performance, WiFi performance and discrete GPU performance), improved CPU power (higher core clock) and slightly better battery life.

And NVIDIA's GTX 670M is still 70W TDP with 30% more performance than the last gen card it is replacing (GTX 570M), runs cooler, have new features and is most likely more cost efficient to produce thus leading to faster and cheaper gaming laptops compared to last generation (more like technology leap) gaming laptops.

Edit:

I was planning a getting Qosmio X775 with GTX 560M cause in all honesty I don't need the power of a GTX 670M/GTX 580M for my gaming needs with exception of Crysis 2 which will run on high (butter smooth 60 FPS) on a GTX 670M/GTX 580M and only medium (butter smooth) on a GTX 560M and since Ivy Bridge and GeForce 600M series is nearing release I figured I'd just wait for a Qosmio with GTX 670M (probably 1/2 months after ASUS G75) mainly because I care about new features, less heat/noise/power consumption and more future proof for upcoming games (mainly Crysis 3).

 

You don't get it. Where is the info what 6xx GPU the new G75 will have?
Makes no sense to me to speak about the next gen toplevel NVIDIA mobile GPUs without knowing the next G-series will have one.

A G73JH can handle 55W CPUs and 100W GPU.

 

Ah, I think I know where you're going you mean that ASUS may not include a GTX 670M on the G75 right but instead a GTX 660M correct?

This makes even is less sense then what you said before this, why on earth would ASUS include a GTX 660M (50W TDP predicted) that maybe sightly slower to only as fast a GTX 560M on the G75 the successor to G74?

Simple guess, the ASUS G75 will include a GTX 670M which pretty much equals a GTX 580M (still not as fast IMO) and will retail for the same price as the G74 upon first release in 2011, however the current G74's with GTX 560M will see a big price drop or clearance sale just before G75 gets released and shortly after release this way buyers don't feel they got screwed by ASUS, Intel or NVIDIA.

On the topic, if I can get a Qosmio X775 with GTX 560M for say $300+ less than what it sells for now upon the release of the GTX 670M then I may go for that solution because like I've already said a GTX 560M is pretty much perfect for my gaming needs, Ivy is not much faster than Sandy in CPU performance and the HD 3000 is good enough for Windows Aero and web browsing (IMO, 60% more performance to the IGP is not needed on a gaming laptop with discrete GPU but maybe more future proof and useful as web browsers start to aggressively use more GPU hardware acceleration for online games).

 

WHY THE SAME UGLY STYLE XD


I hope it'll be better than GeForce GTX 480~!

Maybe I'll sell my G53SW for it. don't you think?

 

NVM...I'm not going to jinx it.

 

Right.

Ah, you don't know the Asus best practices yet. ^^
With G74 all were hoping for better performance. But than it was a crippled Onboard-560M. What a booster.
We will see later this year.

 

according to Notebook Italia the G55/ G75 are supposed to have a GTX 670m.

 

GTX 560M is faster than GTX 460M if you're unaware they are on the same Fermi architecture and same die size, not by much but it's still 10% to 20% improvement on performance over the GTX 460M with mature drivers (driver performance improvements is game dependent).

Remember, NVIDIA is very slow with drivers upon first release of a series change so at first the card eg. GTX 560M may not seem like a big performance boost from a GTX 460M but when drives are mature and optimized for that series the newer card (GTX 560M) only gets better with performance while the last generation card (GTX 460M) is already at it's max performance potential with driver performance (only bug fixes, new features added and newer games added with new drivers).

With a brand new architecture the change from Fermi to Kepler and reduction in die 40nm to 28nm, it's not going to be magical that a GTX 670M will be a whole lot faster than it's last gen GTX 570M predecessor very possibly nearing the GTX 580 in performance. Again, drivers are going to be a pain at first especially when there's a architecture change (Fermi to Kepler) but it'll get there (4 months tops) and the newer GTX 670M will only get better on performance with newer more mature drivers optimized for the series.

 

One of these model will have GTX670M.

 

Hey GenTechPC, you want to share some info with us?

 

I have deleted some posts in this thread. Trolling and posting insults will get you banned.

Game on...

 

Oops, yeah only one will have a GTX670M, probably the G75.

 

Samsung's Series 7 is also getting a GTX 670M with 3D display priced at $1799.

Link: Samsung Series 7 Gamer Updated | Best Gaming Laptop

 

Looks like they'll be some interesting options for gamers in the next few months.

 

Eclipse251 is right, G75 will have GTX670M and it performs very close to GTX580M.

 

I expect Alienware, MSI and Toshiba is to follow the same configurations with their 17.3" gaming laptops.

Toshiba probably being the being the slowest to join the party but will probably be the lightest weight of the bunch.

 

So should I get the msi or clevo w/ 580m or wait for the G75? It seems there won't be alot more increasing in performance with the new series

 

I still love my G53Jw but upgrade time approaches. If the 670m is the only offering though I'll probably go with a Sager this time. The G75 is a beautiful notebook but come on Asus, are you EVER going to move the AC-in to the rear or at least left side? Without an angled AC adapter the current design is easily broken and interferes with mouse movement. Really disappointed in this although I will still keep the G75 on my short list.

 

I have a G53JW as well and, while it's been great overall, I too wonder why the Ac-input, along with the other ports, couldn't have been placed toward the rear of the notebook where interference with other plug in devices, would have been minimized. The G74, and, up and coming G75 are much better in that respect. Also not happy with the very critical position of the screen to get the best possible picture. Very poor vertical viewing angle. The laptop itself has been very reliable and performs much better with the SSD I installed as the main drive.

 

You may want to wait for more word on the MSI with GTX 675M.

 

How much the g55 will cost? 1400~1500$?

 

When does Windows 8 get released?

I'm hoping these gaming laptops with GTX 670M don't come with Windows 8 pre-installed.

 

Why? maybe the 8 version will be better.. I'm sure that G55 and G75 will come with Windows 7.

 

My guess is going to be between june and october, but i personally prefer to stick with win 7 for now, i have no issues at all with it on 5 PCs, not very exited to test a new OS, im planning on moving if its worth it, but around haswell with a more mature OS.

The Asus G75 seems great, might even consider it, but will depend on how the GPU performs, the size is always a drawback for me, and with sager delivering backlit keyboards and MSI offering a higher end gpu... im probably will skip Asus this gen.

 

Agreed, I'm just not into Windows 8 ATM. I'd like these GTX 670M gaming laptops to come with Windows 7 preferred.

 

Man I hate that the resellers know more than we do about new stuff

 

gtx 580 or 670 ?