Asus ROG G701VI - Air-cooled single GTX 1080 laptop

Is it as loud as this one?

 

Definitely not
I will try to make some video with actual fan noise

 

Thanks @hmscott. I thought that "repasting" is panacea. On alienware forum repasting was helpful in most of cases. I thought that it's better to do repasting )) i'm newbie))
I like design of this Asus and it is very comfortable to play games. I don't complain on hidevolution about some manufacture issues, but, they did repasting and they must check laptop on benchmarks before shipping it back to me. They told me that they QC department will double check it, seems they checked only "light bleeding"
Now I have to send again this laptop to USA and pay around 200$ for shipping (economy).
I've uploaded few photos with benchmarks.

 

With the new AW's their heatsink design + using a too thick thermal tape in one section caused the heatsink to not be able to be tightened down evenly on the CPU die, and that resulted in super high temps for 2 of the 4 cores - one side of the CPU wasn't "touching" with enough pressure to transfer heat efficiently.

Also AW must have discovered the problem during QA but their solution was to "double stamp" with 2 applications of their automated pasting machine - kinda hilarious

Now AW when doing it right halved the thickness of that one area's thermal tape, and used hand applied thermal paste.

Also Clevo has issues with uneven mating of heatsinks and most need some kind of TLC and care to reassemble for best contact - also finding the right thickness of paste - and thickness of pads, but in more than 1 area.

So there are instances where re-pasting is called for, really reassembly with attention to detail for best fit and thermal transfer. All of which should have been figured out before final production.

Asus and MSI seem to get this fit and finish done well before production meets owners, for the most part.

You can still get a bad one, someone looses concentration and put's a laptop on the QC'd pile when it wasn't actually tested, or some other production lapse.

Sometimes while on the Asus forums we would see a rash of bad paste from a particular shipment in a region, so I often recommend if you got a bad paste job, try to order the replacement from another store, region, etc to get one pulled from another shipment.

I see from your images that you haven't changed the voltage offset - what is nicknamed "undervolting".

Also you can set the voltage itself directly, although maybe don't touch that one yet, use the offset voltage instead, since most of us speak in those terms.

The Skylake CPU's undervolted as much as -200mV at stock speeds, which really drops temps.

Your core multipliers are set higher than stock, I think that's on purpose for an Asus OC model, so you won't get -200mV, but maybe up to -100mV might work.

Try undervolting by say -50mV to start, and then bump it up (down really) by -10mV until you are unstable, then back off -20mV to be stable - then use -5mV increments to find the best undervolt.

Recent reports suggest -80mV at 40x x4, so you might get better than -100mV at those multipliers.

Good luck

 

With the Alienware it's not thinner pad, it's literally using paper thin pads on the CPU chokes.

 

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All my manipulations with "core voltage offset" crashes the system.
CVO -50 / 40x4 / 40,39,39,38 - crash
CVO - 80, 100, 125/ - same multiplies - crash

No luck
Temperature on Idle - 50c i guess it is not normal.

 

I overclocked my G701VI using ASUS Turbo Gear and maxed both CPU (41x) and GPU (base 150/memory 360)

I just made it to 1st on the ROG RealBench leaderboard online (Notebook/laptop category) with a score of 135067
http://rog.asus.com/rog-pro/realbench-v2-leaderboard/ (from the Computer tab..select Notebook)

temps during and after Realbench benchmark with the results


idle temps with both CPU and GPU overclocked

 

Where those done on stock paste or did you repaste?
Those temps seem ok, what temps do you get gaming?

 

@IKAS V 's q's +

Those are great numbers, and temps, did you adjust the voltage down or use a negative voltage offset to reduce the CPU temperature?

Do you have the laptop flat on a desk, or raised up, or on a laptop cooler? Any other cooling tweaks done to the laptop / software?

Thanks for posting this, and please do post more in depth info and a wide range of tests

 

Please don't get discouraged, every laptop maker has different BIOS settings, and this one's CPU voltage might not be set as hot in the BIOS, so try a lower setting

If you are stable @ 4 x 40x - all 4 cores with 0 offset, then go slower, try -5mV, in 5mV increments.

I've had laptops that won't do much of an undervolt when OC'ing, and I am happy to get -15mV at stock settings, so it varies.

This is a new laptop, we haven't really seen many reports, look back in the thread and see what you can find, but you might be a pioneer, it's all new, go again

 

Here's an @iunlock post on subject, includes a video with info, and here's a quick overview:

" The proof that supports my original theory of the heat sink being uneven due to the thermal pads being too thick on the FET's above the CPU is true. You'll have to use a thinner thermal pad to allow the heat sink to seat properly. "

"... use thinner thermal pads on the FET's above the CPU so that the heat sink can sit flush, thus providing a more even contact between the CPU die and HS. "

above from #1 Post:

Warning: Some i7-6820HKs and i7-6700HQ have Uneven Core Temps due to Uneven Heatsink
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ven-core-temps-due-to-uneven-heatsink.797477/

There is more info in the thread, and it took a while to arrive at the resulting find that the thermal pad was not allowing the hinged clamp on the heatsink to make good contact, causing part of the CPU to not be cooled properly.

 

Thanks @hmscott , I'll try.
Which "Core voltage mode" need to use? I guess "Static?

 

Like I said, you are on a pioneer's path

I used Intel XTU on Asus laptops to tune the CPU, give that a shot, or look far and wide for BIOS tuning hints for the latest series.

 

Any chance you got a review unit?

 

Still working to allow LM in the system.

 

Just getting warmed up....

Asus G701VI / 7820HK / GTX 1080

 

Sneak peak....

228W before I had noticed that the CPU fan power cable wasn't even plugged in!

....yet it was still able to hold the GPU clocks! Look at the flat line! ~2050MHz all day...imagine when this thing is running cooler with some Liquid Magic treatment....

Explanation:


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I'll be doing a complete repaste and taking this thing to the track for some real runs so stay tuned. I'm very impressive with what I'm seeing so far.

@hmscott, @Papusan, @DeeX, @Mobius 1, @zergslayer69, @Ashtrix

 

See my reply in the OTHER THREAD
Maybe ask Mr. Azor in his Twitter - Facebook account why he lied to the whole AW crowd and the press?

 

Full wPrime v1.55 Run at 4.5GHz

Not bad...not bad at all...



I have a better 32M score....it's holding clocks at 45x really nicely with some tuning...

Now time for 46x

@Papusan, @hmscott, @DeeX, @zergslayer69 yer69, @Mobius 1,

 

Various reasons to why AW can't do higher TDP gpu.

They're not gimping the machine on purpose.

 

What reason?

See also Asus... Same for Acerbook Predator 17. Have you or other tested with OCCT - Wprime 1024M with Heaven simultaneous? Of course with max OC on Cpu/Gpu. Test both AW and Asus.

 

Not going into detail but there's guidelines that AW need to follow, they don't have as much freedom as ASUS or MSi that can use higher TDP vbios.

They are not gimping the machine on purpose, it's quite the opposite, they're trying to fight for freedom on those "guidelines."

 

It was AW's ceo Azor who said the other OEM*S gimped TDP in their models. I know you have seen it. What says Azor @Alienware-Frank and his second Umar to this?

 

Yes stability tests are always in the line up of things, although the extreme tests are not real world scenarios, it's always to see nevertheless.

My favorite is wPrime v1.55, 3DMark and....well that's really it. Other tests like AIDA I don't care for too much anymore as it is unrealistic and I've even left OCCT on the back burner lately since wPrime v1.55 does everything in a fraction of the time. For long term CPU stability test though (closer to real world) I like OCCT. Cinebench R15 is okay too, but the GPU test is weak. I feel that the CPU cb test has more value in it.

 

Jeah, I know. It's better to test with different tools. Aka different loads. Some enjoy Aida64 stress test. You can push harder with only stress FPU checked (uncheck all other boxes). Everything depends on your usage of the machine. Anyway... The battery should not be drained!! 330W is good for +400W from the wall.

 

To stay on topic, the TDP's are unlocked and hitting well over 200W which is a pretty big accomplishment for it being a gaming laptop.

AW17R4 and Asus are pulling some pretty impressive numbers, but the fact remains that at the end of the day,

1. In ratio to what it is, a gaming laptop, and being able to pull these numbers, it is running neck to neck with a lot of desktops and in a lot of cases beating them. This kind of TDP in a laptop is impressive, whether one likes it or not.

2. In a real world scenario, gaming etc... these laptops will perform just as good as a desktop. There comes a point where things just don't matter anymore and that bar is a lot lower than what we enthusiasts crave. i.e...if you're gaming and/or even doing CPU intensive tasks, these laptops with what it can do is plenty.

3. Comparisons need to be made with ratios in mind. Cost to performance, form factor to performance, PRACTICALITY, etc... Ex. Even though the AW or Asus may not hit crazy 5.0Ghz OC's when you factor in everything else, in ratio, it WINS. Simple as that.

 

:X Well said without saying it haha.. Point made.

It's true...Dell is not purposely gimping the machines. That's all that can be said.

We can see what happens when there is freedom....hence the new AW with the new vbios and this Asus which has freedom written all over it. Just crazy eh...

 

The question is... What happens to the benchmark score when you OC your cpu to the max limit? Some want actually run maximum processor speed for other things/tasks simultaneously with gaming on the machine. Seee the video of Ryzen and why people want more cpu powa. And Still.... Battery drain should just not happen when yooo already have more than powerful enough Psu.

 

Yes there are definitely two categories.

Bench figures = For fun. Means nothing to life or in life. Just hobby like pleasure...same as playing games for fun.

Real World figures = The max at which the system can actually run stable at. Practical.

Right now I can say for sure that the Asus runs rock solid at 45x on all four cores. The goal is to get it to 46x as that is my favorite sweet spot OC number like it is on the 6700K.

 

Was not 4.5 or 4.6GHz your target with 6820hk in Aw.. Even Msi? Or was it a dream? 7700K in the Clevo run fine 5.2GHz. Even 7700K in a much smaller 15 inches laptop passes 5.0GHz.

 

Haha a dream? There you ago again nit picking and comparing a mobile chip to a desktop.

You do realize that achieving 45x-46x on a mobile chip is more impressive in ratio than a desktop chip hitting 50x-52x right? You can't look at it from a 1:1 perspective. Now how many times do I have to tell you that?

Yea everything from the HK to K series seem to be running +300MHz just fine. Whether this means better binned SL chips or not with a little sugar on top, who knows...but at the end of the day, I'll take the 300MHz and work from there to get more.

 

Microsoft Explains How Windows 10 ‘Game Mode’ Will Improve Gaming Performance. Yeah I know M$ Moronds will screew you one more time However, use of more cores is the goal. And heavy OC'd 4 core processor's may result in a gain as well The hyped [email protected] in these Razerbook will be and is already a joke. Even 7820 is for me a tragedy!!

 

The 7820HK is a respectable mobile chip. 45x-46x, whether one likes it or not is really good for what it is.

Not too long ago were we not trying to obtain 46x-47x-48x on the 6700K and having that as a victory. Some very lucky in the lottery got 49x, but it was not stable. Remember?

 

I do not think there were many who struggled with 46x. To put it this way. They must have lost total in the lottery, or done a lot else strange Anyway Kaby, is a better Overclocker. Most should easily run 5.0GHz. And expect Mooore powa with next...

 

resistor

Indeed. Running 50x-52x is just a crazy victory....how much higher will we see? Then again, if we start seeing 8 Core laptops, then high GHz won't mean everything as it does on the current 4 cores chips.

Different chips for different purposes. Hot swap.....jk....

 

Finally!



@Mobius 1, @hmscott, @DeeX, @zergslayer69, @Papusan,

 

8 [email protected] would have been ok. With a serious IPC Increase over older gen. It is allowed to dream. But forget this for BGA. There will still be pitiful 45W TDP, remain as standard Intel ****y.

 

I agree about the thoughts toward intel, but even with the mobile chips at 45TDP, the unlocked HK's can be stretched pretty far. I've hit 95W+ and even peaked at 101W on the 6820HK.

At the end of the day, finding that balance of efficiency is key. Higher TDP doesn't mean better if it'll just cook itself to silicon heaven.

 

It depends on the OEM's. If they still want to push out thinner and same time flimsy Apple similar laptops. My old AW 17 managed to cool down oc'd Hotwell 4930Mx with nice +115w in bench. AW18 managed +140W Everything is worse now... The damn Apple design cripple everything!!

 

Time Spy: 7485

 

wPrime v1.55

Link to hwbot:
32M - 4.656 sec
1024M - 142.874

7820HK

http://hwbot.org/benchmark/wprime_-...Id=processor_5360&cores=4#start=0#interval=20

http://hwbot.org/benchmark/wprime_-...Id=processor_5360&cores=4#start=0#interval=20

@Papusan, @hmscott, @Mobius 1, @DeeX, @zergslayer69

 

4.6GHz ... let's see where it starts thinning out....

 

Has anybody noticed that Asus made this laptop thicker and changed it's cooling system?

Old version (12m46s):

New one (1m04s):

 

I'm trying to make the decision between this and the Alienware 17R4 that will be available on March 13th (7820HK, GTX1080, corrected QHD panels, improved temp control). Right now, I am leaning Alienware because the community seems more active and Dell's support seems good. This means that there will be more resources when I need assistance with something. But the ROG g701vi seems to be getting good results and their support/community is unknown to me. What would be a major pros/cons between these two products?

 

I'll have a full review up soon between the two.

 

You're the man! Looking forward to it!

 

Is it possible to get an early tl;dr?
I bought the G701VI OC, and my window to return it is by the end of the week.
Thanks regardless, love your content!

 

@Mobius 1 Why pay double the price? Is there something I don't understand regarding different graphic versions from Nvidia?


And Intel's award-winning 6700hq in Razerbook performs worse than the trash 4720BGA who was welded in its predecessor. Yeah, I can see that there is progress.

 

Lol the VS isn't even a good 1070 laptop. OC a socketed one or wait for the Prema bios on the P650s. Should thrash the RBP.