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    Asus ROG G701VI - Air-cooled single GTX 1080 laptop

    Discussion in 'ASUS Gaming Notebook Forum' started by hmscott, Oct 6, 2016.

  1. PredatoR_TR

    PredatoR_TR Notebook Evangelist

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    I was playing CoD and I took my headphones off and what?? I hear a strange noise. I restarted the comp and it didn't disappear. When I switched it off then it was gone. I listed it and I am almost sure that it was not from the fans. What is that, any ideas? At video the noise disappears when I switched the computer off and you can compare with the normal fan noise.

     
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    Hmmm maybe from HDD? I don't know...
     
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    Hi, there is no hdd in this unit. Maybe from ssd if it is possible.."
     
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    It sounds like an unbalanced fan starting up, did you lift it and turn it upside down just before starting? Sometimes you can get a fan to slip in the spindle and start off rubbing against something. An after video of the normal sound during startup would help too.
     
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    Hi,

    No I didn't. It worked fine around 20-30 minutes, then When I took my headphones off, I started to hear that noise. Fan is getting stronger or slower, but it didn't effect that noise. I am 99% sure that it came from another place since it stayed stable when the fans was changing rpm.
     
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    hello to all you guys, first post here! :D
    (and sorry, english is not my main language! :) )

    just wanted to share my opinions on this device. to be exactly, i have the ROG G701VIK with 1080 / 7820HK / 1TB SSD / 32GB Ram since a week ago..

    At the beginning i was veeeeery disappointed because of the thermal issues... it was like hell, even in standard mode (game center), temperatures were going up rapidly to the 90s...
    so like on everyone elses device, out of the box, this badboy gets way too high temperatures...
    so i decided to try the undervolting thing first.... i was trying it with xtu, but i wasn't very comfortable with this one, because, i was getting failure messages all the time, while starting up the device... issue: rog game center (these two programs definitly don't like each other! ;))

    so, yesterday i decided also to do a repaste with thermal grizzly kryonaut AND some undervolting with throttlestop, which is by far more better imho than xtu. (sure a little bit tricky at the beginning, but i would say more professional and stable!)
    i was setting it up, to start with my voltage settings (-0.140v) each time the device starts, without giving me extra notifications, so it's very decent and i like that!
    then i was doing some overclocking with this, now i'm about 3.9ghz on all cores and with some benchmarking i was getting just about highs of 82 degree, which i tink is very nice for this setup and for this cpu... (as far as i know, the 7820HK is THE heater itself! :D)
    some normal cpu stress tests are now heating up to about 80 degree... but of course, no throttling, issues and so...

    sure, i will do some more testing these days, of course with games like THE DIVISION, BATTLEFIELD 1, etc, but as far as i can say, NOW i'm pretty happy with it!

    and thx for some good infos here, was happy to read a few posts! ;)
     
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    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    When you are done using ROG GC, you can replace it's function with Intel XTU + MSI AB and use those to OC / tune the CPU / GPU further than is possible with ROG GC, and then you can undervolt for even more temperature savings, and get more performance control too. :)

    Thanks for the user report, and Welcome to NBR :)
     
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    thank you for your quick answer! as far as i saw, throttlestop oversteers the rog gc anyway! i mean, if i put the multipliers for example on 41 41 41 41 in throttlestop and let the settings on "extreme" on rog gc (43 43 43 43), then the system takes the throttlestop values and ignores the rog gc... i was just using the gc yesterday, for the other functions in it, but not for the overclocking itself, since it's useless anyway through throttlestop...
    but you are right and i think most of the functions through rog gc are also accessable otherwise! :)
    i know, every cpu is different, but what are good undervolting values for a 7820HK? maybe -0.150 (while on stock) ? i'm trying some more testing tonight!
     
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    Undervolting about -100mV should give a 10c drop in 100% load temps, scaling down under less load, and has the effect of trimming the top temps to under thermal throttling if you even were thermal throttling (about 93c) in the first place.

    Really the only goal of undervolting and re-pasting is to get the laptop to not thermal throttle under heavy use / gaming - otherwise any further temperature drops are just for self-satisfaction, the laptop can run fine for years without re-pasting.

    I've been using ROG / MSI laptops for many years, and the past doesn't degrade over time, temps are maintained to the levels after initial break-in - first few weeks.

    Undervolting alone solve thermal throttling in 99% of the situations, with rare requirement to return laptop that runs too hot. I don't recommend user repasting as it risks the hardware and starts you on a continual repaste cycle - either to get just 1c more lower temps - or to perfect your technique, some people get worse temps after their first or even second and third repaste. :)

    Enthusiast pastes are designed to get lower temps, but not necessarily last a long time, once you re-paste users generally report repasting again in 3-6 months - trying better paste - thinking temps have gone up again (usually seasonal weather changes or other environment changes) - and even those that are more conservative in re-pasting do it every year or so.

    I haven't needed to re-paste any new ROG or MSI laptops even after owning them for years. Undervolting get's the temperatures out of the thermal throttling zone - usually they weren't there either, but a software tuning with XTU is quick and easy. And, I always OC and often run long batch jobs - days - without thermal issues.

    If you want to play around with hardware, re-pasting will make it look like you are doing something useful, but really lowering the temps under the thermal throttling point has no effect on performance or longevity. :)
     
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    :) :)

    thank you sir for that! ;)
    that was also my first intention, that this beauty doesn't have to throttle, which makes absolutely no sense at all. i was just thinking, bringing the temperatures near down to 80, it would be a benefit for the device and it will last longer.. i think, as soon as i found my perfect combo of oc'ing and undervolting i'll stick to that and just check temperatures from time to time...
    my repaste job is already done and it was really easy on this device and since i've made some pretty good experiences with this product (thermal grizzly kryonaut) on several pc setups, i gave it green light...
    but you are absolutely right, for users with no background in terms of pc, i would also not recommend it!

    i think you're right about the rog gc... it's just "bloatware", that slowers a system and since i use xtu / throttlestop, it has also less sense of still be there! :D
    and cool thing on asus is, i can always re-install it again in the future, for some reasons!

    as i said, tonight i'm doing some last tests to see, if everything is stable as it is. will post again some experience after that! :)
     
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    I can do maximum -105mhz undervolt. I use my computer at standard mod without an OC. Maybe that is the reason I can undervolt less than you.
     
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    Every CPU is unique, recommended -100mV is just that a first value to try that for most people works at stock speeds (no OC or detune), and can be as little as -15mV before BSOD or as high as -220mV - which is amazing :)

    If you feel so inclined you can add more undervolt from -100mV in -10mV increments until BSOD during load or idle mode tests, every little bit can help reduce temperatures and put off fan RPM increases.

    But, really if you can get -100mV on first try, that's enough for the job of reducing top load temps, and if you'd rather be gaming or working instead of fine tuning undervolt, then do that instead and enjoy. :)
     
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    yeah, the bandwith is insane!
    it's also not safe to say, that with higher overclock i can lesser undervolt, right? as i know, the critical zone when undervolted isn't under full load, it's more while starting up, idle, browsing...

    tonight i will try to go further to about -0.150/-0.160 ... but i think at about -0.150 is my limit for stable use... had tried this before and got a startup error (wrong password / username = at least i don't even use it on this device! :p) so i thought that would be because of my undervolting...
     
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    Yes, the higher the multiplier goes the lower the undervolt you will get, at some point no undervolt at say 4.0ghz-4.2ghz for most, I had a small undervolt at 4.5ghz, but that's unusual. On the 5950HQ I had undervolt til about 3.8ghz, then no undervolt at 4.0ghz, and it needed overvolt to reach 4.2ghz/4.3ghz - which was only useful for quick benchmarks, not stable day to day use settings.

    The 6820HK was about the same, and the 7820HK really improved undervolt range on up through top OC for some CPU's.

    The Haswell / Broadwell let you split undervolt for CPU Cores and CPU cache, which you can't do any longer. When you could I would undervolt the cache lower than the cores, say stop undervolt on cache or run stock with no undervolt on cache, and only do undervolt on CPU.

    Undervolt tuning really is a great way to reduce temps without re-pasting, and is an additional way to reduce temps if you do re-paste. :)
     
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    Can still on Skylake/Kaby with ThrottleStop. Up to a certain level.
     
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    so, here some measurements from my side again:

    CPU overclocked to 3.9GHz on all 4 cores.
    CPU undervolted with maximum of -146.5mV (at -150 my system freezed...)
    CPU stresstest passed with peak temps at 72 degrees. (average at about 58 / 59) - (i used xtu cpu stresstest... when i'm using xtu benchmark, it goes up to a maximum of 81 degrees)

    so, my first conclusion is, this is indeed a very nice chip!
    (if it would run on stock there should be more stable undervolting beyond -150mV)

    now i'm just testing again some gaming on it.
     
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    3.5mv aint good enough headroom for later changes who will come. You are at the border. Hope you have backups.
     
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    of course, my "fine-tuning" for 24/7 stable isn't finished yet... :)

    i think at the end of the day i stick at about a multiplier of 39 39 38 37 / -0.125mV or something like that... my goal is, to bring down peak temps while heavy gaming / benchmarking to a maximum of 85 (with an average temp of about 77-80 per core) i think i could live with that and it wouldn't affect longevity...
     
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    So, after adjustments, i'm here with my final setting:

    - preparations: repaste with thermal grizzly kryonaut
    - software: ROG GC completely uninstalled - xtu installed (just for tests) / throttlestop installed (for undervolting / overclocking)
    - overclocking: CPU Multi set to: 39 39 38 37
    - undervolting: CPU Core / Cache set to -130mV

    that brings me to very comfortable temps while staying all the time fully stable:
    idle temps: 34 / 34 / 37 / 33
    load temps while playing the division: 81 / 79 / 80 / 76 (average are 67 / 67 / 67 / 64!)
    the highest load temps while playing the divison AND dowloading games from steam: 81 / 79 / 84 / 78

    so, i think i'm staying with these settings and check my temps now just from time to time...
    i've also tried other cpu eatin' games, but imho the division is the hardest one to beat! :)

    i'm also happy, that it was possible to overclock the cpu, while doin' an undervolting at the same time.

    for this device i'm absolutely happy with these results!
     
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    I was able to get a brand new in the box G701VIK here locally for a great price. The temperatures were in the 90's while gaming so I repasted with with Grizzly Conductonaut. First time using it and wow what a difference. I have the CPU undervolted -80mV and the GPU undervolted to 0.90V. Temps max out at 70C. I was shocked at how much the GPU could undervolt.
     
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    @Tikerz: nice! i know the difference between liquid metal and thermal paste is insane! do you have your clocks at standard? how did you managed to undervolt the gpu?
     
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    What undervolt did you run while on stock paste?

    Undervolt should have dropped the stock paste thermals to run under in the 80's when the Asus autofan profile spun up the fans to adequate cooling speed.

    Asus tends to run their autofan curve weighted toward the quiet side and let the CPU heat up initially - then spin faster to cool it down once it appears that the CPU load will continue - which can trigger thermal throttling briefly.

    But, you've gone through all that effort successfully, so it's a moot point now. But, I've found that undervolt and fan curve tuning can completely avoid the need to re-paste, which for most people is too much of a hassle to engage themselves.

    Glad to hear it worked out well for you. :)
     
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    It's running the Extreme setting so it boosts to 4.3GHz. I'm using MSI Afterburner to undervolt the GPU. You have to edit a file to unlock voltage control on the card. From there I'm using a custom voltage curve to undervolt.
     
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    I ran the same undervolt on stock and it dropped some but still in the mid 80's. I'm SO glad that Asus made the heatsink removal ridiculously easy unlike Dell Alienware.
     
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    You probably could have adjusted the fan curve, and elevated the rear a couple of inches higher than the front to start convective cooling, and been just fine :)

    Running in the 80c's under load is fine, the CPU is rated to run up to 100c, and as long as you aren't throttling - which starts at 93c, you aren't losing performance due to temperature.

    Spending a bunch of time and effort to get the thermals lower is a game unto itself, but it has no effect on performance or longevity of the CPU / laptop - in fact opening it up and mucking about is going to have a higher risk for far more damage than running at 80c's under load ever would.

    I'm glad it's working out nicely for you. :)
     
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    iunlock or anyone that has repasted and replaced thermal pads in the g701vik, can you please tell me what size thermal pads for the chips are best? Not sure if .5 or 1m would be better for this laptop. Thank you in advance.
     
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    Hello that’s my first post .I would like to ask I have a choice of 2 laptops. Asus G701 VIK 4K and Aorus X7 DT V8 . Which should I choose ? I focus mostly on games. I need to make a decision till tuesday
    Regards
     
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