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    Asus ROG G701VI - Air-cooled single GTX 1080 laptop

    Discussion in 'ASUS Gaming Notebook Forum' started by hmscott, Oct 6, 2016.

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    Also, don't forget with MaxQ you pay for GTX 1080 but you get GTX 1070 OC (regarding speed).... (or pay for GTX 1070 and get GTX 1060 OC, etc)
     
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    It seems that I need to be patient to see the next model for Asus with normal 1080 gpu model.Maybe finally there will be an RGB keyboard :) Also quite curios to see the review of Gt75vr. I was always hoping to get G800vi(k) but Asus never realised it... maybe would be less noisy because of a more space and maybe more heatpipes.
     
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    As far as I read some reviews from the end users, they write that it is very loud when it is idle? however, reviews from webpages say the opposite. which one is true?
     
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    Hello,

    I am about to buy the laptop with a very decent price! I need your expertise! :)

    I do not overlock and I generally use my laptops at stock settings. I have a Zalman NC3000 cooling device which I believe helps my current laptop as well. At stock settings and with this cooler, what would be the degree celcius which I would reach? The room temperature between 21 to 24 degree celcius. Do I need to repaste? Also what would you say about the fan noise, shall I keep it around 40-43db??
     
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    Do you think I need to buy this laptop or wait for a coffee lake version? (The one I bought through ebay didn't arrive, fake seller:/)
     
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    Can someone please share a video for me to experience the fan noise at standard load and at extreme load? I found a great 2nd hand deal but everything depends on the fan noise if I buy it or not. The model I can buy is G701vik with kaby lake.
     
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    Overclocked Desktop GTX 1080 LAPTOP??
    Noise comment starts at 4:00 :)


    Asus G701VI NVidia GTX1080 120Hz Laptop Benchmarks & Review

    07:50 and 08:50 :)


    It's the highest performance single 1080 BGA CPU laptop, so it's gonna get hot and the fans are going to push a lot of heat out. It doesn't sound high pitched loud, just whoosh loud, which is the least offensive fan tone. You can always detune the FPS to match the sound level that works for you :)
     
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    Thank you hmscott,

    The second video is not really a reference for me as it is with the old cooling system.

    I would really like to hear it somehow and I am quite interested in if I can tweak the fan. I simply do not want an extreme fan noise while I will be playing some old multiplayer games such as Age of Empires III.
     
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    Hi Guys,

    I got a second hand g701vik. Backlight bleeding is awful, trying to get used to it. :)

    I am using Intel Extreme Tuning Utility and first set without any undervolting was with throttling. I could undervolt max -100, more then that always freezed. This undervolting helped around 5-10 degrees. Any comments on that? Anyone succeeded more than -100mhz voltage dropping?
     
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    Is the CPU the 7820HK or 6820HK?, the Skylake CPU's seem to undervolt and overclock just a tad less than the Kabylake, and of course each CPU is a unique "snowflake", some are less apt to undervolt all on their own.

    5-10c is about right for -100mV undervolt, 5c at normal operation, and 10c at 100% load.

    As long as you aren't thermal throttling under heavy use the undervolt will be enough :)
     
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    Hi hmscott,

    The CPU is Kaby Lake 7820HK.

    I really cannot get it if my undervolting edit is RESET at every reboot? When I make a stress test with the tool itself, I see higher degrees and throttling again. I am just afraid to make a mess with undervolting since I haven't done that before. I just watched a video and as far as I see, You just need to save the profile and it should work automatically at every reboot?

    Is there any way to check if my voltage is at stock level or set default at extreme tuning utility tool? (Didn't save the stock settings but there is default by itself?)
     
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    Yup, you can select and Apply the builtin Default that XTU saves - it's really just "no settings added" :)

    IDK, some people can't seem to get Windows 10 to work with XTU saved profiles to load at boot right away, but then it starts working...weird. It's always worked for me.

    Check settings for XTU see if there is a "load at boot" setting?

    I disable Hibernation which disables soft shutdown and fast startup (not the same as the BIOS setting), maybe that will help to have a "real" shutdown?

    You really can't mess up with XTU and undervolting. If you save a profile with an unstable setting, and crash, XTU won't load the profile at the next boot, and you need to go in and select a profile and Apply it before XTU will start setting the profile settings at boot again.

    If you crash or shutdown with the power switch instead of waiting for shutdown completion, XTU will assume you crashed and not load the profile at next boot as well.

    It could be one of those reasons that is keeping XTU from loading the profile as well.

    When you try a larger undervolt than -100mV, are you incrementing in small amounts, like -5mV or -10mV, you can even try -1mV at a time - but it can take a long time to converge on the best undervolt (lowest) if you go -1mV at a time. :)
     
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    Hi

    Thank you for the advises, I will definitely do so.

    Can you also tell me if I can check from BIOS or with a software if my voltage is at stock level after a boot?
     
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    XTU would be able to tell you the CPU offset voltage :)

    Otherwise the voltage is dynamic so the CPU-Z and other tools wouldn't tell you the offset, just the current voltage.

    Throttlestop should also be able to tell you, but it might not see the same offset as XTU, you can't really run both - they might interfere with each other, both trying to make settings.
     
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    If XTU will keep zero itself, I will try Throttlestop. The laptop is way too loud I think. Like my ex-Clevo which is written in my signature.

    Asus ROG gaming center is always set extreme, also trying to figure out if I can set it to standard mode.
     
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    If the laptop is in extreme mode it's likely also invoking an extreme cooling profile too, running the fans faster.

    The G701VI laptop is often near the top of performance ratings and is a very desirable laptop for many people.

    I'm sure you can tune it to run as you like it given time.
     
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    Everytime I start my computer, it turns back to the extreme mode. Interesting that you cant save it as standard always.

    Temperatures are very good with standard mode and with XTU for CPU but I even considered to buy G751jy now which would be enough for me not to bother so much with the fan noise :)
     
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    The G751JY was a transitional laptop, between the G750 and G752 - those 2 have better reviews than the G751JY, so I'd stick with what you have, the even newer G701VI is much better performance wise.

    Spend a bunch of time digging through the Asus forums for more info :)

    ROG Gaming Center Question
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/rog-gaming-center-question.809125/#post-10604223

    You might get better responses, and better searching for Asus software answers in the ROG Asus Forum's:

    FORUM: ASUS SOFTWARE
    https://rog.asus.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?205

    Someone else asked there yesterday too :)

    ROG Gaming Center set to Standard
    https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?96199-ROG-Gaming-Center-set-to-Standard

    PROBLEM WITH ROG GAMING CENTER
    https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?91889-Problem-with-ROG-Gaming-Center

    Top Level, other discussion forums:
    https://rog.asus.com/forum/forum.php

    NotebookFanControl was another app that you can find a profile for Asus laptop fan control, be careful and monitor what is being set - some profiles will *disable* fans and things can heat up quickly :)
    https://github.com/hirschmann/nbfc/releases
     
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    @PredatoR_TR as with MSI's Dragon Gaming Center, I recommend uninstalling ROG Gaming Center and setting up XTU and MSI AB for tuning, and for Asus the Notebookfancontrol for fan control - be careful :)

    Here's a link, a year old now, from @Miguel Pereira posting on the ROG forums recommending ThrottleStop instead to replace ROG Gaming Center, maybe he has some updated suggestions for gaining control of the G701VI :)

    G752VS OC EDITION - IS THERE A WAY TO PERMANENTLY SET IT TO STANDARD MODE?
    https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthre...-standard-mode&p=612504&viewfull=1#post612504
     
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    Well, I never stopped using throttlestop. Still using ir with a mild oc to this day.

    I know that for the Asus g752vs Asus updated the bios and corrected some of the overvolting, but it was not perfect. I never bothered to update. With throttlestop my laptop is properly "silent".

    My guess is that you would get better temperatures and fan behavior with throttlestop. Just try it, is really easy.

    Enviado do meu MHA-L29 através de Tapatalk
     
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    I will use Throttlestop instead of XTU. I will try it when I will be at home.

    So for GPU, do you propose MSI Afterburner? What kind of modification I need to do over there?

    And as far as I heard, G752VS is much more silent than G701VIK during load. Maybe that's why I feel very noisy.
     
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    Well, if you dont use modded Bios I guess there isnt that much you can use on the GPU side, but yes, use MSI Afterburner if you want and maybe limit the FPS to the Screen HZ, that will limit load a bit in some games.

    My main shopping criteria was a silent gtx1070 (or better) laptop, and when I got my g752VS more then a year ago it was one of the best on that criteria. I tryed a clevo and it sounded like an airplane lifting.

    Usually asus uses high quality fans, so with proper configuration I think you can get your G701vi "silent" enough. Use TS and put your CPU at regular multiplyers or just slightly above (3.5GHz for 4 cores, 3.7Ghz for 2 cores and 3.9Ghz for single) and try -80mV on the undervolting. If you use OC you can get 10-15% better clocks but I'm not sure you actually need it.

    What temps are you getting on the GPU side when gaming?
     
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    Just came home and I will try it and let you know. Which program do you advise for me to follow temps during gaming?

    INTERESTINGLY when I boot my computer, rog gaming center was set to standard mod and also XTU was set -100mhz! FAN didn't work at all since 10 minutes during surfing!
     
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    77-82 celcius for GPU
    70-73 celcius for CPU

    Standard setting, -100mhz. Fary Cry Primal with Ultra settings without AA

    GPU fan is noisy enough. Speakers are awful, nothing can be heard beause of the fan noise with these poor speakers.
     
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    You will have to downclock the gpu then. Try with afterburner and - 100mhz on the gpu.

    Enviado do meu MHA-L29 através de Tapatalk
     
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    I tried a weaker game ''Batman Tell Tale stories'' and the GPU works between 67-71 celcius, CPU around 70 always. Fan noise weaker but my G750JZ works almost dead silent with that game.

    I also tried -100Mhz for GPU with MSI afterburner but the GPU degree doesn't differ at all. How far I can underclock the GPU?
     
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    You can underclock a lot, but I guess that you'll always complain about the noise if you still find it noisy with undervolting and those Temps.

    Maybe you're a desktop guy? :D

    Enviado do meu MHA-L29 através de Tapatalk
     
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    Well, after my awful Clevo for 3 years, I have become very sensitive to a noise issue and Asus G750JZ was an unrealistic revolution for me. I fell in love with the build quality, performance and the fan noise and I have been using more than 3 years without a single problem. It is as new as clean :) G701vik is dead silent after bios update and underclocking the CPU during surfing but gaming is a bit problematic. Batman didn't bother me so much but far cry did. During nights, I will definitely use headphones but still it is a habit to expect silent laptop after G750jz :) Maybe I needed to get g752vs without OC, I am sure it would be almost as silent as my G750jz.

    By the way, do you have also weak backlight problem with the keyboard? f1 to f5 and shortcut buttons are barely visible.
     
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    I don't really have anything to compare it to. I can say that my g752vs is a LOT quieter then the clevos I tried. And also more quiet then my PS4 pro.

    I can use it without phones easily, even though the sound quality is really crappy for a laptop of this price.

    Maybe you'll have to exchange the laptop to have the expected result. And a gtx1070 isn't anything to be ashamed.

    Enviado do meu MHA-L29 através de Tapatalk
     
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    I am definitely not against of 1070, even 1060 would be ok for me. I first bought GL702VM but it was hot and loud. Also backlight bleeding was too much. I returned it. I just got G701vik because I found a nice deal of 1900€ of a 4 months old laptop.

    Asus EMEA already wrote and created a case number for sending that one for free for screen to be replaced, but as far as I read, it will be again pure luck to have a better screen. Added a picture to be a reference for people.

    Also keyboard light is weak at some points so it might be fixed at warranty as well.
     

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    Hello guys,

    I think I will have a repaste for my machine. How much celcius drop I can expect and which brand I should use?

    As far as I experience when the machine is around 70-80 celcius it is loud enough but if I can keep it within 60-65 celcius range, I can finally have a pleasant fan noise level.

    Does repasting avoid a warranty in Asus?
     
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    Voiding the warranty depends on the region you are in. For the US replies from Asus Support have been you aren't voiding the warranty by breaking the warranty sticker to replace HD / SSD or fan cleaning.

    You should ask Asus support before doing it, to make sure it's allowed. Asus will notice it if you re-paste, and unless you ask and get an "ok" on file in your ticket support, it could be a problem if they blame you for damage done during re-pasting.
     
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    I am reading terms and conditions and many things can void the warranty in my region. I am quite curious if I ask them to re-paste at Asus service how quality work they would do and how quality brand they would use...
     
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    Some have mentioned getting other pastes used by Asus for re-pasting years ago. I haven't heard anything recently, but it's worth a try, if your CPU / GPU really need repasting.

    The quality of paste for cooling vs long untouched use is the issue. Asus and other vendors use paste that may not bring down the temps as far, but they last longer - which is why you find repasting using enthusiast paste works at bringing down temps, but then you find yourself repasting many times over the life of the laptop keeping those temps down.

    If you can undervolt enough to get the temps under the thermal throttling point - about 93c - under 100% benchmark / gaming load, you can skip re-pasting.

    That's why I recommend trying undervolting first to get the temps down, then you can enjoy the laptop without pulling it apart multiple times over years of ownership.

    If the cooling is good enough to keep you from thermal throttling, further cooling isn't really buying you anything helpful, no additional performance, all it's buying you is spending time and money for no good reason.

    Re-pasting isn't all it's cracked up to be when you find yourself doing it multiple times, wasting time doing that instead of enjoying the laptop doing what you bought it to do in the first place. :)
     
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    Does ASUS send techs for at home service?

    I generally suggest avoiding having company techs from touching your laptop. But If you have a video or picture guide on another device ready for them to follow, plus have your own paste ready to go... most can be convinced of doing it your way. Supervise, but be helpful and positive.

    Phobia NanoGrease is the best non conductive paste at the moment. Second is Grizzly Kryonaut.

    Alternatively, you can do it yourself and try Heat gun and razer blade to remove certain stickers without damaging
     
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    @PredatoR_TR
    The problem is none of this actually fools the tech doing the service the next time the laptop is in for service on another issue.

    The new paste / re-paste job stands out visibly to anyone that opens up these laptops dozens of times a day, it's just not going to pass by their notice.

    If the problem the laptop was sent in to fix can be tagged as user induced by the re-paste / opening the laptop, the vendor can and will often deny service, or make you pay instead of covering it under warranty.

    I've talked through people in this situation, and you can talk the vendor out of charging or denying service, but it's an unnerving situation for many people to go through.

    It's not worth the long term worry and hassle opening the laptop against warranty terms to fix something that should be fixed by the vendor under RMA, or by returning the laptop and getting another unit.
     
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    You sound like one of these company representatives. You should really add under your avatar who you represent :D Msi or Asus? :p Let me try... Asus? :vbbiggrin:
     
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    No, I don't work for and haven't worked for Asus or MSI :)

    It sounds that way because I am relaying the comments of Asus / MSI technicians filtered through people dealing with MSI, Asus, etc suport when they get caught having opened up the laptop and futzed with the internals and trying to mask / lie their way through getting caught.

    The vendors don't put up with this any more than you would if someone borrowed a piece of equipment from you and then pulled it apart in a way you detected when getting it back from them.

    Tool marks, cleaned areas that shouldn't be cleaned - all the laptops go through manufacturing a certain way and all exhibit the same dirt, clutter, marks, and as you see each laptop (frame) in unending sequence (movie) when a laptop (frame) shows up out of sequence - with marks or missing marks - it stands out.

    That's how the vendor tech's detect the laptops opened up. The reapplied stickers, glue missing on the back - or different glue - tool marks on screws or around the holes - marred plastic - deburred edges on cases where the snaps connect.

    These things are so far outside the thinking or awareness of a non-experienced person that they can't be blamed for thinking they will fool an experienced person, but they won't fool anyone but themselves. :)
     
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    I have started to get this at every startup. Why does it continuously ask that?
     

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    Anyone can help me please if there are G701VI(K) users around?

    Are your speakers also sizzling at loud sound level? Do you think it is worth to send it to the service? Would it be changed within warranty? Or can I fix it somehow?
     
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    looking at this laptop. What is the best and safest repasting compoud for this?

    Also what is the best technique for laptops? Is it like the 'pea' or 'x' technique on desktop cpus?

    I am noob to repasting laptops, done it a ton on desktops. Also the benchamarks by @iunlock werent that clear to me.

    Any help here would be appreciated !
     
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    I am not sure here of what the delta's are on your tests?
     
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    Your cpu clock dropped by 30C ? Still unsure?
     
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    Not trying to annoy you, I am just unclear on this deltas. I heard liquid metal is unsafe potentially? Is it a good option/what are the alternatives?
     
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    just quoting this for reference.
     
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    k it looks like you are showing a 20c+ delta thats amazing. Found a guide for the 702 which while not the same but very is similar

    Should be easy to repaste with noctua ht-h1 or thermal grizzly kryo. Hoping it will hold a 4.3 or 4.4 oc under 85C max load.
     
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    Asus ROG G701VI - Air-cooled single GTX 1080 laptop. May some additional ASUS drivers help to get rid of this problem. Before install the drivers must confirm the specification of the laptop and then install the drivers to away from any error or warning. I don't have any issue as you mentioned here.
     
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    I am reading lots of backlight issues. I can fix the temps but if this has major black light I dont think I can I can get it.
     
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