Asus ROG GL503

From who, MSI?


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Are there any test results for this new laptop showing how this (I suppose bad) "cheap thermal management system" is working ? I am waiting for the VM, VS editions, but I am concerned with any heating issues they may have (considering GL502 has divided opinions). Judging by this new design (only visual) I think Asus is also concerned on heating and changed their design to get better results. Lets wait and see what well get with the VS, VM edition.
Any one has any clue on when will these come out (VS, VM)? when GL502 came out, first edition, how much time did it took them to launch VS and VM editions?

 

What is the difference between the other versions and the VS/VM?

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The VS version (GL502) carries a full blown GTX 1070 in stead of a GTX 1050 or 1060

 

You weren't wrong about the thermal design of it. ASUS has realized their mistake on the previous GL502 VM/VS line up. Now they fix the issues by power up the fans and redesign the laptop's lid, so a portion of the lid doesn't block the air coming out. Back when the GL502 released, both models, VS and VM, came out at the same time because those were aimed for GTX 1060/1070 only, until they made the GL553 VD/VE. Now, they decide to put everything together as the same unit, GL503/703 VD/(VE in the future)/VM, 1050/1050ti/1060. And for the GTX 1070 version, it will only be available on the ROG Strix Scar Edition (the special edition of the GL503 for FPS) which has 7700hq, gtx 1070, 144 Hz 7 ms TN display. Hopefully, the Hero (120 Hz 25ms IPS, 1060, MOBA special Edition) and the Scar (both 120 Hz 5ms 1060 & 144 Hz 7ms 1070) will come out by the end of this month. If not, we have to wait maybe up to Thanksgiving, or even Christmas for the 144 Hz 7ms GTX 1070 version of the SCAR. Hope you find this helpful, mate. Peace!

 

Do you have any idea when the 703 Scar with the 1060 should be out?

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Hi! So far, according to my firm, the 1060 version for both Scar and Hero will be out by the end of this month if we are lucky. If not, two more months. I must say that I've been waiting for this since they announced it at Computex in May. Despite the fact that I really love these models, but the way they make us wait this long is really annoying (at least to me cuz I desperately need a new laptop for my school since my school has started for 3 weeks :< ). I am actually considering the MSI GE63VR atm.

 

I am actually going with a GE73vr with the 1070. The thermals on these Raiders are looking extremely good. Donald from HID is saying the CPU is maxing out in low to mid 70's with IC Diamond and the GPU is maxing out in mid to high 60's with IC Diamond. In my opinion these numbers are great for any 1070 notebook let alone one the size of the Raider.

Must be due to MSI's upgraded thermal system. In my opinion, this is how thermal systems should be made. Separate heat pipes for the CPU and GPU. That way when both are being stressed, they aren't sharing heat with one another.

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Yeah, the new Raider line up from MSI is really impressive and promising. For the thermal management, Msi has been doing a good job. Let's not forget that Msi laptops do have the "Cooler Extreme" option to boost the fan speed. I found the deal for the GE63 with 1070, 16gb of ram, 128 gb nvme ssd + 1 tb 7200 rpm for $1799, a pretty good deal. My hype for the Hero and Scar is somewhat fading due to the long time I have to wait. Plus, if I wait for like another 2 months and find the Hero and Scar are not so special, I will be damned for waiting that long.

 

Not to mention, the 1070 version of the Scar is nowhere mentioned anymore. I can only one the 1060.

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They did mention it actually. If you recall from Computex, some tech news said that the Scar would come with the GTX 1070. ASUS is saving it to pair with the 144 Hz 7 ms display, which luckily may be released in 2 more months or even up to Thanksgiving or Xmas. I really want to wait, but my need for a laptop for school and Asus's long @ss release date is just so conflictual, ya know :<

 

they said this would have 12v fans.
I'm assuming my GL502vm only has 5v fans.

Since fan noise is mainly dependent on fan speed, and fan size has not increased, the only benefit to 12v is super fast (and super loud) fans ?

What were they planning to do with the extra voltage ?

 

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Looks like the Rog Scar may use a different thermal system than the one being deployed on the standard GL703 which has the same heat pipe set up. Two shared heat pipes appear to be all you get on the standard 703. If you go under products page of the ROG Scar , you will not see the thermal system layout. All you see is how Asus made adjustments to the exterior to help draw in more cool air and expell warm air a little easier. In the ad, it shows that they added vents between the keyboard and display. They also added more vents to the bottom. These vents are being marketed by pulling cool air in (unless you live in hell) but I'm not judging.

I am holding off hope that Asus does its customers right and just ditch the dinky two shared pipe design on anything with a 1060 or above.

Those of you who haven't checked them out yet, head over to Asus a day look at the new GL702 coming out. The one equipped with the 1080. On the product page of the GL702VI, it shows a newly revamped cooling design. One that separates the CPU/GPU thermals. The diagram shows 3 separate heatpipes going to the GPU and 1 separate heatpipe going to the CPU. There is then one large shared heatpipe spanning through both the CPU and GPU.

Both the GL703 and GL702VI get the upgraded 12v fans.

It will be interesting to see what design Asus decide to go with on the 703 Scar and Hero.

Any guesses?

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Here's a pretty good explanation / specs for every GL503 model:
http://laptopmedia.com/comparisons/...ro-and-scar-edition-what-are-the-differences/

 

whoops, someone already posted the new article.. but THIS is the one I want:

http://laptopmedia.com/laptop-specs/asus-rog-scar-edition-gl503vs/

 

Totally right about the GL702VI, GL503 scar and hero. However I don't think scar nor hero LT may come with the same cooling desing as GL702VI, if they had such feature, why not tell gamers?.

 

do you guys think it'd be worth it to wait for traditional GL703VM and GL503VM models or should I just go with the GL702VM. Seems like the GL703/503 has only one SODIMM memory slot open and the other solder on to the board where as the 702VM version has 2 slots that are upgradeable. Also, lack of thunderbolt port on the newer VM models. Seems like the thermal isnt changing for the traditional 503/703 models as well.

 

wait for all the reviews to come out. The 502/702 aren't going anywhere.

It's all going to come down to price, and how much you really like the design of the 503/703 and it's fake plastic carbon fiber.
and what the lack of thunderbolt means to you 5 years later.

 

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Both the GL703 and GL702VI get the upgraded 12v fans.
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I saw the website. It says 35% more cfm. Since fan size doesn't change, that would mean much louder fans.
I'm guessing the extra 35% will be user controlled through Fan boost


I need those keys from the GL702VI, with the white letters. Looks like an exact fit to my gl502vm.

Red letter keys are almost impossible to see. I hope I can buy those key caps one day on ebay

 

So I finally have kind of official confirmation that the Hero and Scar will be released sometime in between early and mid-October (aiming for the League of Legends World Championship I guess). The gtx 1070 + 144 Hz 7ms version of the Scar will join the others "soon", according to my firm. Guess I will buy the GE63VR Raider then :<

 

Who is your firm?

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I'm in the same boat in terms of waiting on the GL503VS 1070/144hz version or buying the GE63VR now. I think what's going to get me to wait is the IPS panel.

 

Do you have any information on the standard GL503 and GL703 Model?

 

Hard choices! I guess I'm going to wait just a little longer before I deside!

 

Isn't the 144hz an TN panel? And only the 120hz IPS?

 

The 120hz on the Scar is a TN. Not to mention, I just read an article on Laptopmedia that said the 703vs (the one with the 1070) has been scrapped for right now. If Asus was smart, they would actually design a new thermal system for the 1070 model rather than just using the one they use for the 1050 and 1060. We've already seen what the results are with the GL702.

Lastly, there is no way Asus will put a 144hz IPS panel in a mid range model with a 1070. It would be a total waste of money considering the 1070 wouldn't be able to take advantage of the 144hz refresh rate. Good luck running modern games on anything higher than medium.

Last I heard, the only Asus notebook getting the 144hz panel was the Chimera.

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Howdy!
First of all, I really can't tell you guys who my firm is because he asked me to keep his identity low, so I have to respect that.
Secondly, there are GL503/703 traditional model (60Hz, gtx 1050) on sale on Amazon atm. But there seems to be a regional thing, so there is no GTX 1060 version for the GL503/703 tradition (yet). So if u are interested in buying the GTX 1060 version, you should wait for the Hero/Scar with GTX 1060, which should be coming out next month.
Last but not least, the Scar with GTX 1070 will be released around Thanksgiving time (November), just like I mentioned one month to two months before. And it features 144 Hz 7 ms IPS panel with G Sync (prob has a Thunderbolt too). Expect it to be around $2000-$2500.
And for the person who said that he wanted to buy the GL502/702, I highly recommend you to wait, if you can, for the Hero and Scar to come out next month because the thermal management of the GL502/702 is quite terrible. I used to have one, but I couldn't do much to bring the temps down, even though I undervolted it (-0.1200mv if I wasn't wrong).
Peace!
Now feast your eyes!

 

Awesome post! I just figured out it is indeed a IPS panel! Pretty amazing! Looking forward to thanksgiving

 

I'm assuming there's still an embargo on the 1070 gtx 144hz ISP SCAR which is why we haven't seen much info on it. the laptopmedia site is still the only place publishing specs: http://laptopmedia.com/comparisons/...ro-and-scar-edition-what-are-the-differences/

 

The only other info I saw was on the official site, mentioning the 144hz and 7ms.

 

Am I the only one thinking a 144hz panel is overkill for a 1070?

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Yup, as is a 120hz panel.

A 1080 for a 120hz, a 1080ti for a 144hz...

But, you can of course live with games running slower than 120fps / 144fps with G-sync and frame limiter like RTSS at the average FPS for a particular game.

It's better if the games run consistantly over the hz/FPS of the display and limit it to the display (refresh - 1) hz, but it's still usable.

IDK if playing around with custom refresh would be "helpful", but it's not necessary.

 

Strangely, it's the other way around

There was an IPS 120hz display rolled out around the time of the 120hz TN panel, but it was so slow it had visible smearing (fuzzy ghost imaging), and that was over a year ago.

The new panels are 120hz TN and 144hz IPS-like (AVA?) and likely that custom IPS panel can be rolled out across the line replacing the 120hz TN panel.

As I said in the post before, you don't need to run games at the 144FPS to enjoy the 144hz panel, and you likely won't hit that FPS without dropping the eye candy down *too far*, so running at a lower FPS will still be ok.

I'm hoping the 144hz IPS panel will be a big improvement over the 120hz TN panel for color, saturation, and off-center angled viewing.

 

What happens when your average FPS is lower than 120? My buddy has a 120hz with a GTX 1060 and I don't notice anything bad while gaming on it.

Aren't most 60fps panels overclockable to at least 75hz?

Also, can you down clock a 120hz display to let's say 100hz?

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Within those questions are the answers you seek, and you have a 120hz screen available to test out your thoughts, go for it, and please let us know what you find

 

I don't have a 120hz display to test.


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I thought you said your buddy had one? Bring a 6-pack and a bucket of wings, I'm sure he'll be happy to see you... or whatever a similarly acceptable sharing of feast you desire.

 

So I went ahead and wrote ASUS tech team on their contact me page, and asked if they had some official information if SCAR or HERO editions had any heat pipes innovation as GL702VI ( https://www.asus.com/Laptops/ROG-Strix-GL702VI/) has and they just answered me with a link to the GL503, so I assume this can have 2 meanings, either tech guys that answered do not have a clue the difference between VD, VM and VS editions or we are simply going to have the same heat pipe design we can evidentiate on the GL503 site ( https://www.asus.com/Laptops/ROG-Strix-GL503/) .

 

I'm going to go with.... They don't have a clue. LOL.

Seriously though, if Asus doesn't use a separate heat pipes and sticks with the same thermal set up as the 502/702 then it's obvious they care way more about their top end rather than customer satisfaction. They have to know by now that the dinky thermal system in the 702 just doesn't cut it with today's powerful CPU's/GPU's.

Here is my prediction. They will use the same thermal set up as the 702 in the 703VM (1060) model and a updated thermal set up in the 703VS (1070) model. This is why the 1070 model is delayed until the end of November.

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Sadly, there will be no "703VS," only "503VS." As least not for now or til then.

 

I saw that on Laptopmedia but that makes absolutely no sense. Either way, whether it's 15" or 17", they better update that thermal system.

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I'm actually hoping that the reason why the 1060 model isn't out yet is because Asus realized that their rinky dink thermal setup from the 502/702 was only efficient enough to properly cool a 1050. I am very surprised they didn't at least go with a 1050ti though. It actually doesn't make any sense.

Maybe they designed a new thermal system for the 1060 model which is why it's not available yet.

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Point taken! I am really eager to see how well the GL503/703 Trad/Hero/Scar will handle its thermal. comparing to the rival Msi GE63/73VR Raider since the Raider cooling system is really amazing so far.

 

i doubt you'll find a beefy cooling system for the 1060.

the 12v fans will do the heavy lifting. They'll spin faster and louder to take away the heat.

At best, you'll see the cooling system you see on their GL503 page...



Be thankful you don't have a Macbook Pro cooling system with their rinkydink heatsink fan

 

To be honest it is shame to advertise this as a proper cooling setup. Simply wauu

This looks a decent one although I think that Cpu will run quite hot. https://www.asus.com/Laptops/ROG-Strix-GL702VI/

 

I wonder what would happen if you cut the shared heatpipes on a 1060 system.
I'm guessing the cpu wouldn't overheat as much during heavy cpu+gpu tasks, but the gpu would have insufficient cooling.

If you only cut one of the 2 heatpipes, less gpu heat would transfer to the cpu as well.

The hot gtx980 laptop also had shared heatpipes, though thicker and wider.

 

Also, let's not forget one of the issues that cause bad thermal management is the portion of the lid covers the vent. Here are some pictures, comparing the vents on 502, Zephyrus and the 503

 

This is exactly why I think the new GL503 series won't suffer from heat issues as much as the GL502 series.

 

Didn't they also realize that the 3rd fan on the 702 made things worse?

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