Asus ROG GL702VS (GTX 1070 Kaby Lake) - I own one

I'm just not sure I'd be willing to risk it because knowing my luck I'd probably end up with one of the few that doesn't support g-sync! That was another reason I decided not to wait and get the Asus!

 

Aaaaand then there's this

 

The prices from HIDevolution were suprisingly low, I'm only looking at a $60 dollar difference excluding customs handling fees. And that's with liquidmetal, nvme ssd, extra ram and some other small extras.

I'll have to sleep on this. My only concern is build and shipping/customs handling time. And the silver color :/


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How much will LM affect temps really?


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Should lower them a bit - depends on the stock pastejob.

 

I don't think you have the hidden devices listed.
Because there should be a lot more hidden devices.... like the pci-to-pci bridge. which are not showing in your screenshot.
icons should be greyed out.

Did you run device manager as Administrator?

Mine looks like this...

 

I preferred the silver over the black because I ddin't want a machine that looked too blingy. The silver is actually quite a dark silver, and apart from the logo on the lid which lights up, and the red backlit keyboard, it's pretty understated.

Ok, first of all, I can assure you the hidden devices option *IS* selected. Unfortunately I cannot currently get a screenshot because the bugginess of windows 10 (or is it Asus for this one) of the screen print key means I literally cannot take a screenshot with an option on the menu selected. Pressing the button does nothing, and pressing the alt key and print screen should take a screenshot of the active window only, but pressing alt deselects the menu. I'm sure there's a way round this, but I have to go to work now. If you STILL don't believe me, I'll provide proof later. But this is a bug I found earlier - Unless I select the desktop, I cannot print screen, which is annoying.

As for control panel run by administrator? Really? In over 4 years doing windows support for over 1000 machine for a corporate IT company with a 70 million pound a year budget, and then another 6 years of windows server administration, never, NEVER have I ever heard someone say I need to run control panel as an administrator!

Needless to say, I did anyway, and the results are exactly the same.

 

ok, then it must be a lack of thunderbolt firmware update that prevents the thunderbolt device from showing up.
That is also why there's blank thunderbolt info in the TB software.

 

What's annoying is that I can't even remember if it showed up before I wiped and reinstalled windows! The touchpad definitely seemed better on the build it came with, and then I've been getting a few more problems after rebuilding despite installing all the drivers. Will try dual booting and then restoring the other version to factory settings using the recovery partition. That'll have to wait until tomorrow though, as tonight it's beertime!

 

Guess that's another reason to be glad I went with the Asus!

I really don't know, but for the sake of 50 dollars it'd be worth having the best possibility of achieving lower temperatures in my opinion. Although since undervolting and manually controlling the fans I haven't had CPU temps of over 84 degrees. I haven't even been manually controlling the fans that much. I wonder if the stock compound needs a bit of time to bed in? I'll keep an eye on them, but they seem a bit lower than I was getting in the first week.

 

That's just silly. If the guy took it apart and saw what the actual metal hinge looked like, he wouldn't say it's poor quality. It's standard quality.

people probably think hinges are fat and wide, but they are really just dinky little things, and the rest is just empty space under the hinge cover...

 

It still shouldn't do that though - no other laptop that I've seen has had such behaviour - even my old cheap low-end notebook had a sturdy hinge. GL series are definitely less flexible and unstable.

 

I'm going to go for the stock 702VS. Mostly convenience that pushed me in that direction, plus that I wanted local keyboard layout so not to turn off a potential buyer in the future. Thanks for all your help and advice.


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Agreed. It doesn't matter what the hinge "looks like" it clearly still behaves like a cheap piece of crap, so I think saying it is cheap is justified, even if "terrible quality" or "poorly engineered" would be a better description. At the very least it's been badly implemented.

Good luck Magnanimouse! Remember a bit of undervolt and fan control via the Rog gaming centre is all you need to keep temperatures within decent levels.

EDIT: oh yeah and you might want to consider turning off the turbo boost by setting the processor max to 99%. I haven't noticed a difference in performance since doing so, but it's stopping the chip from generating more heat by overclocking itself.

 

Exactly - especially when you consider other laptops have no such issues even when they cost half as much - take the G551JK for example, that thing is overbuilt as **** - it's business class meets gaming. If only the GPU throttle limit wasn't set at 78*C by default, I would've bought one. But oh well, can't win em all. Though there is a BETA BIOS that raises it to 82*C and without CPU turbo it's fine - still a lot of hassle for my taste.

 

this imgur link no worky.... and I would be interested to read your descriptions ...

 

Hi all,

I was considering a GL502vs but stores in my country (Spain) already have the GL702 pretty much at the same price, so now I´m again trying to decide. I originally was deciding between Alienware 15 R3 and GL502VS, buy the new kaby lake model Asus model made me decide towards Asus because of the 120Hz IPS panel.

But now I´m between GL502 and GL702. I´m reading that GL702 have terrible temps (or I understood so...) and since GL502 have no good temps either I´m confused weather GL702 temps are worst that GL502...

Another thing is size, I have almost my mind made up for 15 inches since I need some portability. Is GL702 way biggert than GL502?, because GL502 have massive bezels compared to GL702...

Thank you in advance.

 

GL702 is pretty small - the bezels on it are a LOT smaller than the ones on the 502 - and from what the OP has posted, if you undervolt and manual control fans, temps are not a problem.

 

Sorry, I spazzed out and accidentally deleted the album. It's back again, try http://imgur.com/a/ipM84

The temps you're hearing about is technically a different laptop. It has different CPU, different GPU and a different cooling system. The GL702VM with the 1060 had a three fan arrangement, which in my opinion wasn't well implemented, and the third fan just recirculated heat around, causing higher temps. The GL702VS has a 2 fan system like on the GL502. If you read through this entire forum (which I would have if I were buying a new laptop) you'll see answers to all of your questions, details on the old cooling system on the 1060 model, and like don_sveltio said, you can already see the heat readings I've posted multiple times for this laptop, which should answer all your questions about heat. So read through this post if you're looking for more info - it's all there!

Agreed - the bezels are regular sized and are only big if you were comparing them to the XPS15. The GL502 was big for a 15" laptop but the model I have is just a normal 17" laptop, and it doesn't look big or heavy for 17" either. Obviously it's thicker than the MSI stealths, but not massively so. When I pick the laptop up, I'm still surprised by how light it feels actually. I've also got more or less a handle on the temps. Using undervolt and very rarely automatic fan control from the ROG gaming center, I haven't seen temps get much higher than about 87 degrees on the CPU and 81 on the GPU.

 

Hello, im planning to buy this laptop too. But i have some concerns. I want to play with it on my lap in the couch. So is it too heavy and big for couch gaming? When you sit on couch, you have to sit up to do stuff and you have to remove the laptop from your lap. is it too heavy for that? or shall i go 502vs?

Do you see any light bleeding?

And is there a way to make undervolting permanent so its undervolted everytime you start the computer?

 

I'm glad to hear speakers are loud. On closer inspection of my X5 v6 the speakers are extremely underpowered, too soft for anything but conference calls.

 

Gaming on a couch is never really a good idea - having a solid surface is a must for a gaming laptop under load otherwise you run a high rusk of overheating and damaging it.

 

Thanks Ryaninja,

Now I´m a bit confused. I assume that the 702 and 502, both VS versions, are the "same" laptop, same fan and heatpipe distribution, however, the information I´ve gathered from this forum and others seem to indicate that 502 might be a little bit cooler that the 702.

Most people with 502 have around 80º-85º, and you and others have around 90º with the 702, always Firestrike, P95 or so....

So, my concern is whether 702 is hotter that 502, or is just a matter of different benchs and personal circumstances.

Also, what I understand from your posts (maybe I´m wrong), you previously had a 502?, If so, won´t you have a pic of both right?, to see them back to back to really see size diferences. I´ve googled and seen a lot of reviews but I cannot find a pic of both models at the same time. Also cannot find both models at retails in my country....

Regards.

 

I have used my Asus laptops on my lap and sitting on a couch for years now. I have used the larger G751 and the G73 sitting like this. These two laptops are bigger (thicker) laptops than this 702. I'm also interested in this 702 as a replacement for my G751. Over time the G751 is a bit too heavy to drag around.

 

G751 is a much larger machine, therefore has better cooling and ventilation - it runs at about 70*C under load vs 85*C on the 702 - you have to take that into account

 

I had a really quick look (really quick so you'll probably have to confirm these details yourself, but the 702VS is only about 3 hundred grams more than the 502VS. To do stuff on your lap it's easily light enough, but for gaming I would recommend putting it on a desk. I haven't actually tried gaming on my lap, but under normal use the bottom only feels mildly warm.

There is a little light bleed, but it's not really noticeable. There is an area on the top right where the bezel pinches the screen and there are 2 bright spots. I might ask Asus and HIDevolution, but it's only noticeable when watching a movie with big black bars on the top and bottom. Whilst it is annoying, I only noticed it at the beginning of the movie when I started the video, and it took me about 2 weeks to notice it, partly because I haven't been watching movies that much. Normal 16:9 1080p video it's not noticeable.

Sure you can make the undervolt semi permanent, by setting profiles in the Intel Extreme Tuning Utility. You can set up app profiles, so that if a certain app is running, it'll apply the underclock automatically. I set it to monitor Steam, which is run on startup, so basically the underclock is always running. I confirmed this in CPUID Hwmonitor.

I didn't have a 502, but I was seriously interested in buying one and I like to be well informed, so I read and researched A LOT on this laptop.

I'm guessing in terms of only the VS models, the 502 probably is cooler than the 702, because the 702 has the kaby lake, which from what I've read does run a bit hotter than the skylake versions. I've seen a lot of threads recently regarding underclocking, and it's seems to be a bit more important with the kaby lake. That's just the opinion I've made from my own research, I have no actual evidence to support this, but that's the feeling I get.

 

Have you weighed the laptop (702vs) yourself and confirm that its 2,9 kg? In Asus website it states that 502vs is 2,3 kg?

 

Dude, you really gotta go and read the previous comments in this post - it's starting to repeat itself and we're going in circles answering your questions, which technically have already been answered in this thread. Take a look at the Gentek video I posted earlier (or search youtube for GL702VS) - he puts it (the GL702VS) on the scale with and without the power brick, so I really don't need to weigh it.

I'm not quite sure why you're stating the weight of the 502vs (as stated by Asus which probabaly isn't going to be 100% accurate judging by the weight inaccuracies of other manufacturers, and the fact the weights often don't include the power brick). Either way a tiny bit over half a kg more isn't gonna break your legs unless they're made of straw...

 

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I read the threads but my internet is limited so cant and didnt watch the video. I sit on the couch and i sit up and sit down so many times everyday so even 500 grams will become important. And you can never be sure if the Asus statement is true or how close the real weight of the laptop. thanks for help but answering a single more question isn't gonna break your legs unless they're made of straw, right?

 

Well to answer your question, no I haven't weighed it myself, but in the video I mentioned you can see it on a scale for yourself. I don't remember the weight specifically, so it would be much easier for everyone involved if you watched the video (or am I expected to do that on your behalf?). Seriously, if you're seriously considering the laptop I'm surprised you haven't watched it already - I did about 5 times before deciding on the laptop, and it answers many of the queries you have about the weight and dimensions.

I can tell you it's significantly lighter than my old 17" gaming laptop, a Samsung NP700G7A which was reported by Samsung on release to be 2.6kg, but was more like 4kg with the power brick.

If weight is such a big issue, get a netbook rather than a gaming machine. There aren't many alternatives. The MSI stealth with the 1060 that's already out, possibly the upcoming MSI stealth with the 1070 (if it ever gets released), the Gigabyte 14" one (but you'd have to drop the screen size a lot, or an Aorus, (but despite their dimensions I'm pretty sure they're heavier). Basically, if 500 grams is that big of an issue for you, get the Dell XPS with a 1050, as it sounds like even the GL502VS would be too heavy for you. If gaming is your priority and want a big screen, you'll just have suck it up and deal with the weight, I don't think there are many if any 17" laptops of this spec that weigh much under 3kg.

And as for my comments about you having straw legs, I was just being (mildly) funny with my comment, there's no reason to get narky about it. I don't have the figures specifically, so I was telling you to watch the video, which would be a sensible thing to do for anyone who was considering buying this model anyway.

 

Ok Thanks. and sorry if i was rude.

 

No problem, I appreciate the apology!

I'd say the biggest problem I have with this laptop is that there's no way to make the function key sticky in the bios. The function key is too far away for my girl like hands to reach them all with one hand, so if I want to quickly adjust the master volume for example, I have to use 2 hands. My old laptop had in built volume buttons and I miss it. I almost never use the function keys so would much rather the media keys instead of the function keys and the F-keys were activated using the fn key, but I can't find a way to do it, so if anyone knows of a way, please let me know!

 

I can confirm I went to frys and tried the 702vs speakers - they are very loud, loudest I have heard on any laptop.

 

What utility did you use for the undervolt? MSI something or other?


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Hi guys! So i got the 702VSK. Pretty happy with it, but I want to get that undervolt going. What is the best tool to use? I saw someone mention an MSI tool somewhere?


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Intel XTU is a very reliable one.

 

Finally I find a thread about the GL702VS....Ive had this laptop for about 3 weeks and there wasnt much about it on the web yet. First, I'd like to mention that there are different versions of this laptop. I have the bestbuy version and little did I know is slightly different than the version sold at most other retailers, I believe the version for best buy is GL702VSK-BI7N12 and the regular version is GL702VSK-DS74 anyways the difference with the BestBuy version being inferior but also slightly cheaper are: Screen (is an LGPhillips 1080p with refresh rate of 75hz as opposed to 120hz) G-sync enabled at 75hz works well, RAM (12GB samsung ddr4 installed) cheap MFss, Storage (1tb 7200rpm). so as for my experience so far, Ive run many performance and benchmark tests over the past weeks just to make sure temperatures are within my confort zone which would be as low as I can get them without sacrificing much performance. I swapped out the HDD and put a 850EVO ssd on it, I will be uploading pictures when im home but I did open the laptop obviously and took a few pics of it to debunk the confusion about the internals (2 fans as opposed to 3 on the GL702VM) see reasoning down below. Ive played a lot with undervolting the CPU and performing benchmarks using the typical software, 3dmark firestrike and others, furmark, p95, oCCt etc....games Ive bench marked with are Witcher 3, Overwatch, Paladins, Heroes of the Storm, SimCity and a few others. I dont want to go into detail about each test and temps with their respective undervolt configs since its a waste of time; so ill summarize my experience:

-disabling turbo boost doesn't really help --about 5c drop in temps.
-undervolt has been stable at -140mV (had it at -150,-160 and up to -180 but at some point got a blue screen of calm down)
-GPU temps are phenomenal on this laptop never goes past 79c usually sits around 75-77c even lower with the -140 undervolt.
-as a reference out of the box after switching to an SSD and reinstalling windows and all drivers (no BIOS update yet) I found the temperatures to be hot! around 85-89c on CPU and 75-79c GPU this is prior to undervolt with everything stock.
-Examples stock vs -140mV config:
witcher 3 max 1080p nvidia hairworks Stock: (85-94CPU, 75-80GPU) with -140mV (75-83CPU, 70-77GPU)
Overwatch 1080p Epic maxed out stock (88-92CPU, 75-79GPU) with -140mV (79-85CPU, 70-75GPU)
Firestrike Stock (84-92CPU, 70-77GPU) SCORE of 13400 with -140mV (75-84CPU, 66-73GPU) SCORE of 13850.
Time Spy stock (88-94CPU, 75-80GPU) SCORE of 5100 with -140mV (76-85CPU, 66-74GPU) Score of 5248.

Conclusion about Temps:
there seems to be an issue with heat being transferred to the CPU form the more power hungry GPU. basically the GPU fan which is bigger is able to efficiently cool off the 1070 but left over heat traveling through the heat pipes gets to the CPU increasing temps by about 20% when GPU is working hard (when performing only cpu stress tests at stock voltage I was getting about 88c with -140mV im getting about 73c) now, when performing GPU stress tests the CPU climbs to 90c when stock and 82c at -140mV even though CPU usage is very low about 10%....another issue is the way air is intaked by the system...from the bottom sides and middle bottom of the laptop but it isnt enough to dissipate the heat that is built up in the middle of the heat pipes closer to the GPU(right top part of keyboard gets warm and close to the screen bezel gets hot). REASON why the GL702VM had the weird little fan in between to try and push the heat away from the CPU when its being transferred by the GPU through the copper pipes.

Solutions I've found:
-cooling pad reduces temps about 2-6c
-take off the back and temps go down about 10c average (substantial decrease and indicative of poor air flow engineering) just tried it.
-undervolt! mine is stable at around -140 but I had it at -160 for a week benchmarking and stressing and no issues expect days later I got a blue screen while furmark+P95 after 2hrs....so Im at -140mV and its stable, try your CPU to see how well your silicon is and how low you can go. In terms of benchmarks lower Voltage has usually yield better results on scores and much lower temperatures.
-Best solution Ive found is to lower specific settings that make the 1070 draw excessive power making the CPU hot.
for example: Overwatch in Epic maxed out 1080p which is what the geforce experience will set you at will draw temps (at -140mV undervolt) of around 82c on CPU and 75GPU. if you set shadows from ultra to normal or low and the ambient occlusion or something similar to low as well ALL OF A SUDDEN the temps go down dramatically putting the CPU at around 66C and GPU at 60c.....I don't quite understand why so much taxation on the GPU by those parameters, same with the witcher 3 when you lower just a few things so slightly that you cannot tell the difference in graphics quality...
Bottom line is, set games to ULTRA epic or whatever majestic word defines quality for such game, then mess with the shadow quality and perhaps a few other things....It will look the same and lower your temps by 20c!....

Thanks for reading! and please leave feedback so I can compare or correct things about my experience so far.

 

I would do that, but there's nothing supporting the underside after that.

 

That is right, it's needed. I forgot to mention there is also a thin perforated grill underneath that can be removed for a good 5-7 decrease in cº

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I've been looking at laptops for a few weeks, l found your thread and started looking around for the best price on the gl702vs. Xotic PC has It on sale now for 1299.00 after a 400.00 instant rebate if anyone is interested this is a great deal. http://www.xoticpc.com/asus-gl702vs-rs71.html

 

Noooooooooooo! the one day I was to busy to check and I missed the sale, I am so sad

 

Don't feel bad I missed out too. I saw it in the morning and was going to get it that afternoon but it went back up in price.

 

Is it just me, or have Asus played around with images on their store to make the gl702 look thinner?

Check this, which is linked from shop.asus.com: http://drh2.img.digitalriver.com/DRHM/Storefront/Company/asusau/images/gallery/large/GL702VM_08.jpg

Against this @ 2:00:

What got me was that I had 0.96 inches stuck in my head from a promo image on the Asus page... but when checking it out in person, I noted that it actually looked much thicker.

Edit: My bad, getting the VM and VS mixed up.

 

Hello everybody!

Sorry, I didn't read all the messages...
Before buying GL702VS I wanna know:

1) What the type of display? IPS or not? On the asus.com I didn't find information about type of display. If display is not IPS - how it's quality? Can I edit photo-video (professional)?

2) I have HDD 4 Tb 2,5" (Seagate):
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1286889-REG/seagate_st4000lm024_4tb_barracuda_sata_6gb_s.html

I wanna know, can I use this HDD in this laptop in the 2,5" slot?

I have doubts, because thickness of this HDD is 15 mm...

3) How many fans hase this laptop? 2 or 3? Can somebody attache the real photos of own laptop (inside)

4) I know that GL702VM hase 2 slots of M.2, but how much M.2 slots have GL702VS? Or second slot - it is Wi-Fi ???

5) Thank you very much !!!

 

1 - You need to calibrate the display for professional use but I believe it should be IPS (owners can confirm/deny this)

2 - If the dimensions allow for it, yes (Some HDDs are taller than others, you have to check what the maximum of the laptop is)

3 - GL702VS has 2 large fans that do a decent job once you set the speed manually and undervolt the CPU a bit. By default, it gets pretty hot but if you don't mind tweaking the fan profile, it's easily correctable.

4 - I believe it only has 1 slot

 

A lot of what you are asking may be in the manual found here.
https://www.asus.com/us/Notebooks/ROG-GL702VS/HelpDesk_Manual/

 

Thank you, guys! Very rich information!!!

 

But, anyway, I didn't find information about maximum thickness of HDD...
If somebody say me...

 

hi. i have the gl702vs-ds74. had it since mid april i think. anyway i noticed that it runs hot climbs 96-98 on some games... undervolted .140v and still climbs to 93-94 degrees celsius... even dota 2 on default settings goes up to those temps at times.. and no intake and exhaust vents are not blocked or anything...
also i noticed that when unplugged cpu temps dont go beyond mid-60s while playing mafia iii with unlocked fps... goes up to mid to high 90s when plugged in...

 

Have you tried manually controlling the fans and setting them to maximum speed via the RoG app?