Asus rog gx500

if you can find something that says that can you share it with us?

the gs60 is just as thin with a keplar.

the y50 had maxwell written in all of its rumors.

 

I'm sure if anyone finds out whether its maxwell/Kepler they will post. I was just speculating.

G60 is almost as thin, but we don't know how loud/cool gx500 will will run, or the video card technology (for definite).

Y50 is maxwell? You mean it was communicated from the very beginning, but gx500 hasn't specified? Different marketing machines I guess...

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yes the y50 had maxwell gpu written in its rumor articles many months before it came out.

 

base on previous nvidia cards youre going to fin that a maxwell 860 is going to be much faster than a keplar 870 in the future when the benchmark tests are updated for the new gpu. close already with the current tests.

so of the laptops out there like this the top line gpu is the maxwell 860. you can even see that razer has it in their razer pro and not the blade. Doesnt make sense does it until you realize its the top end out right now but it has some bad marketing idea in place.

i tihnk they started out with a different numbering for 850 860 870 gtx and then switched them around.

 

Looking forward to this one. Sadly I need a computer in July and no later. Any rumors on the price of this thing? Why asus? Oct release!? Why even announce it

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There's definitely room, but they're apparently trying to compete with the design of the 15" MacBook Pro, which also has plenty of room for a numpad but doesn't. Apparently there are people who are bothered by the keyboard being "off center."

I wish they'd offer it both ways because not having a numpad IS a dealbreaker for me.

 

ehm no they won't add a numpad to the gx500 but check out the asus g551! it has a numpad, 860m graphics and ips screen etc!

 

I'm pretty sure it'd be Maxwell because it's virtually identical to the NX500 which has a 850M (Maxwell).

It's the same reason the MSI GS60 and Gigabyte P35G uses a Kepler 860M. Those laptops come in variants which use the Kepler-only 870M. By using the Kepler version of the 860M, the pint-outs and size of the GPU is the same, so they can use the same motherboard design and put an 870M on some, a Kepler 860M on others.

In the same way, Asus can just put the (Maxwell) 850M on the motherboards going into the NX500, and use the same motherboard design but with the Maxwell 860M for the GX500.

 

12mm thicker and 500g heavier. Am sure a numpad on its own doesn't nessecitate these additions would always feel like I got second best... Will wait for more info on both I think.

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That's a good theory . I'll go with it until proven wrong. I think when you look at the sagers with maxwell this theory works too.

 

You gotta make compromises somewhere. Don't forget you also get a blu-ray player You get better cooling, probably quieter fans, cheaper price more configuration options, matte screen

If you weigh all that, the weight isn't a heavy drawback see what i did there huehue

i get what you mean with getting "second best" but honestly, since the "best" (gx500) would make you an early adopter, do you really want the "best"? In my opinion g551 is the best of the proven tech/design laptops and thus the best laptop if you don't want to be an early adopter

Of course it would be wise to wait up for some reviews and i would be getting ahead of myself to make conclusions but i wouldn't be surprised if this new fancy gx500 series with super thin design has some problems to go with it (fan noise etc), while making you pay like 30% more.

What i would do is get the proven technology and design laptop (g551). Considering 2014 is a transition year anyway with broadwell cpu, 20nm maxwell gpu, ddr4 ram, PCI and better screens etc etc coming in 2015 (where it will be in it's trial-and-error phase) getting the g551 that will last you 2 years until all that beautiful new technology is implemented and perfected and then just sell the laptop for like 700 bucks while it served its purpose would be wise in my opinion. Whereas, by getting the gx500 now you would be paying a lot more for something that's going to get outdated soon anyway.

This is just speaking from a logical investment point of view. Problem is people decide emotionally

 

Yes!
Sometimes being an early adopter has it's benefits too.
Unless we know for sure you would get better cooling, quieter fans etc..etc....I think both laptops while basically use the same hardware and personally I think the GX500 just looks nicer, I guess that's the emotional side of me talking
Anyway both should be good choices and fine laptops.

 

Ever heard of clevo....?

 

I think he meant under 2 inches thick. Clevo also has some bling on the models I wanted the past. I'll never forget that Stargate symbol on the trackpad that swayed me from pulling the trigger.

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If someone could translate the video on the first page, the reviewer stated Maxwell and Kepler a lot. He might of asked.

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The missing number pad is growing on me now, especially seeing that the right shift key is full sized

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hehe yeah i can make due without the numpad also only thing bothering me are potentially noisy fans because of the slimmer profile of the notebook and the glossy screen

Anyone know from experience if asus tends to throw in a matte version for all their rog notebooks i.e. will they throw in a matte version of gx500? i don't see that happening because of the lack of bezel....

 

They usually don't have screen options on any of their models. Resolution, hard disk, ram and cpu are typical configs for each line

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I asked on the ROG Facebook page, they said "Q4 2014" so october at earliest. Also said no comment yet on the G551's release date.

 

Is it just me or does the GX500 have a slimmer bezel compared to the NX500?

 

Seems odd that they would change the size at all, given the added cost. However, without a touch panel, it might be possible that a non-touch GX500 would be slightly thinner?

 

Seem about the same to me.

 

If they manage to release the gx500 before October it would be great.
Releasing it after september is a major set back for people wanting to buy a laptop before school. Personally I was planning to buy the GS60 Pro but this Asus seems like a very good option besides the release date.

 

I just wished they would give a 1080p option, maaaaybe 1440p... Though that seems unlikely. It just frustrates me that they insist on adding a 4K panel, specially on a gaming laptop. It makes no sense.

 

The screen scales perfectly to 1080p.

 

It may have been the nx500 but I think the reps said there will be a lower res option. Since both units will likely share the same panel, it's a possibility.

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at the expense of powering 4 times more pixels and taxing proportionally the battery life...

 

hm are you sure about these allegations? That really makes me want a native 1080p laptop even more...! Don't the 4 powered pixels equal to 1 powered bigger pixel in terms of energy usage? If not... Guess it's G551 on the shopping list - while missing out on (not counting 4k cuz i wont miss it):

- possibly better color gamut
- PCIe storage
- 96 whr battery

i would get:

- matte screen
- less noisy fans probably
- better cooling probably
- numpad
- ethernet port (i use it to fix my modem sometimes or when i dont want wifi inteference problems)
- blu-ray
- subwoofer jack
- probably saving around 500-800 bucks

Hmmm....

 

Yes it might use more power with a higher DPI screen but I don't think it uses 4 times the power consumption if that's what you meant.
At most you might save an hour of battery life and that's being generous.

 

Really? Because the computex pictures I've seen do not say "up to 4K" like so many other laptops, just "4K". Still, you just gave me a little hope.

Also, I do not prefer a 1080p panel just for the native resolution. I'm actually more concerned about the price. I just can't do it with a $1.800 tag (and it could be more). Maybe the price could go down to 1300-1500? Wishful thinking anyone?

 

I highly doubt this laptop will go for 1500. You'd have look at other options

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I would like the price to be on the MSI Ghost pro range rather than on the Razer Blade price range.. But the only thing that concerns me is the release date since I will need a new laptop for school. Hope they release it early october at the latest

 

can anybody explain what it would really mean to have PCIe storage for gaming?

I mean do the "up to 2x faster reading speeds" really apply in real life conditions for gaming

Somebody once said like it's a difference between loading a map in 12.6 seconds instead of 13.5 or something (clearly not 2x faster if this is true)

 

It will make loading totally limited by the cpu, loading speeds will be more cpu speed related now as we get to 1GB/sec and 1.5GB/sec read speeds.

 

Pcie x4 is more than 2x faster anyhow. Maybe the drive is only 2x faster but the potential of 4 pci lanes is far faster. Either way, most probably won't notice to much difference in gaming. It would be more noticeable in boot time and program launches.

For example, my desktop has two ssd in raid. I barely notice improvements over single sad in gaming but my wife says Photoshop opens a lot faster and she is able to do batch processing quicker. I'm not sure what the processing entails but I know it includes making copies at certain actions.

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From experience, beating your teammates into a Battlefield 4 map means you get your choice of vehicle. It's a nice perk.

 

hey dude just realized u r notebook retailer and that u sell customized laptops - in england??

do you also customize keyboards if i were to say want a swiss keyboard on the upcoming G551 from you because it takes so long for technology to reach switzerland

 

it just came to my attention while looking at this picture

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that it says 15.6" HD/IPS FHD

does that mean that there will be a non FHD version as well??

EDIT: BTW how do i make pictures appear bigger??

 

That is what it seems, but G56JR and N550jk/G550jk also have it and in my country (spain) are imposible to find

 

I'm in the uk but the company is in the US. We do ship world wide but the keyboard you would need to source yourself.

 

The SATA 3 spec is limited to 600 MB/s.

SATA 3.2 (aka SATA express) is supposed to raise that to about 2 GB/s. It does so by just connecting the drive to the PCIe bus (they ran into problems trying to speed up serial communications - the S in SATA). On desktops it will be backwards-compatible with regular SATA connectors. But mobile devices will be implementing it with M.2 (formerly known as NGFF).

M.2 is the replacement for mSATA. It's a smaller connector, thus allowing for smaller devices. Unfortunately most early versions have just used it as a new SATA 3 slot. A few implement it as a PCIe slot. And fewer still implement it fully as a slot which can accept both PCIe or SATA 3 devices.

PCIe 3.0 tops out at about 1 GB/s per lane. The x4 in Asus' announcement means it has 4 lanes, so it should top out at about 4 GB/s.

Currently, the fastetst PCIe SSD tops out at a bit less than 1.5 GB/s, so ASUS' interface should be more than enough for the next few years. Presumably it's an M.2 connector for future compatibility, though it's always possible they could've pulled an Apple and used a proprietary slot.

There are two flies in the ointment:

1) Human perception of drive speed is how much time it takes to complete an operation. MB/s or GB/s is the inverse of time, and thus the inverse of human perception of speed. This means every time you double the MB/s, you see only half the perceived speed improvement. Imagine you needed to read 1 GB of data. Going from:

• 125 MB/s (fast HDD) to 250 MB/s (early SSD) would reduce the read time from 8 sec to 4 sec - a 4 sec improvement.
• 250 MB/s to 500 MB/s (fast SSD) reduces the read time from 4 sec to 2 sec - a 2 sec improvement.
• 500 MB/s to 1 GB/s (early PCIe) reduces the read time from 2 sec to 1 sec - a 1 sec improvement.
• 1 GB/s to 2 GB/s reduces the read time from 1 sec to 0.5 sec - a 0.5 sec improvement.
• 2 GB/s to 4 GB/s reduces the read time from 0.5 sec to 0.25 sec - a 0.25 sec improvement.

As you can see, from the standpoint of human perception, the vast majority of the performance improvement happens in the 125 MB/s to 250 MB/s step. In fact this first performance jump gives more benefit than the speedup from 250 MB/s all the way to 4 GB/s.

Measuring speeds in MB/s exaggerates the effect of faster speeds. SSD speeds should really be reported in s/GB. They're not because if you plot their speeds that way, all the fancy new drives are barely faster than the older ones. People would see that they're getting very little benefit for all the extra money they're spending, new SSD sales tank, the industry stagnates, and civilization as we know it comes to an end. (BTW, the same is true for fuel mileage. The correct units for fuel consumption is gallons per mile, not MPG. Doubling the MPG halves the benefit. Switching from the fuel-guzzing SUV to a sedan gives you a large fuel savings. Switching from a sedan to a hybrid gives you very little fuel savings.)

2) The vast majority of the speedup you get from an SSD is usually not dependent on the max bandwidth. The 550 MB/s of a SATA 3 drive or the 1.3 GB/s of a PCIe drive is almost always the sequential read/write speeds. The only people who really care about that are people working with large, contiguous files. i.e. Real time video editors. In that application, a SATA 3 SSD is about 4x faster than a HDD. A PCIe SSD about 8x faster.

For almost everyone else, the number which matters most is the 4k random read/write speed (IOPS measures a similar thing). HDDs are notoriously slow at this because it takes time to physically move the read/write head between tracks and wait for the platter to spin to the correct location of each random sector. HDDs rarely exceed 1.5 MB/s at this metric. A good SSD will top 50 MB/s, and reach over 300 MB/s when read/writes are queued. A 30-200x speedup over a HDD. This is where the vast majority of your perception of a SSD being faster comes from - its ability to read/write lots of small files.

I've yet to see a SSD which hits 500 MB/s (queued) at 4k random read/writes, so jumping up to a 4 GB/s interface won't really help here. If your game has to read lots of of small files to load a map, it could very well mean your load time only goes from 13.5 sec to 12.6 sec, even though the drive's interface has gone from 600 MB/s to 4 GB/sec.

 

Now that's what I call an explanation.

Thanks for the reply. Couldn't have been better

+1 rep

 

Yeah, the sata express connector is getting a bit too big for notebooks and its a silly standard anyway.

 

I think I am either going to get this or the MSI GS60 Ghost Pro 4k and it will probably be the gx500 if it has HDMI 2.0 but if it doesn't and the GS60 does, then I am probably going to go for that. Otherwise, if neither of them do, I might wait unless one of them has DP or mDP 1.2 or 1.2a (which I would assume they both would) but really I would like to have both HDMI 2.0 and DP 1.2a as options to setup 1-2 external 4k displays (which I want to run at 60Hz).

I think the major things for me probably choosing the gx500 over the GS60 are the battery life, more solid build (predicting this), dual fan system (expecting it to run much, much cooler than the GS60), 100% of NTSC color gamut, and the PCIe x4 SSD of the GX500 > "Super" RAID of the GS60. I just wish the ASUS had the Nvidia GTX870M rather than the 860M. I think the 870M will handle 2-3 4k displays much better than the 860M so that makes the GS60 appealing.


Update: Looks like HDMI 2.0 will be a no go on either one as the Nvidia GTX8xxM series doesn't support it...approaching 10 months since HDMI 2.0 was finalized and still nothing in the notebook/laptop/ultrabook world? At least, I am not finding anything really and in the tech world, 10 months is a very long time...very, very frustrating...

http://www.m-techlaptops.com/ShopOnline/pc/viewcontent.asp?idpage=32 (other sites say the same and can't find any mention of HDMI 2.0 support for either the 860M or the 870M on Nvidia's website)

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/670607/hdmi-2-0-support-/

I hope we don't have to wait until 2016 for the launch of "Pascal" mobile products that support HDMI 2.0 from Nvidia...

http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2014/03/25/gpu-roadmap-pascal/

 

What nvidia do matters little when it's the Intel igp that actually outputs the display signal.

 

does anybody know if the ROG logo on the lid of the laptop is removable? is it a sticker or is it engraved?

 

Going by past ROG laptops they are not stickers. Never tried removing one but they used to be illuminated (not sure if this one is ) and removal would be rather tricky.

 

It won't be a sticker.

 

Cover it with some other sticker or black tape or anything, don't let it bother you , i'll cover the MSI logo for my next laptop with a soccer team logo probably

 

yeah that's what i am planning to do

maybe smacking a ferrari logo on top seems like a perfect fit shape wise