Beta BIOS - Possible Missing Keystroke Fix

Oh look... another promise of soon.....

 

My only suggestion is don't take the AMD road, it was more problematic than the nVidia one.

 

agree
but i've already start walking

ASUS has a different way of counting ( ASUSIAN Calendar)

1 day = 1 week
1 week = 1month
next month = couple of months (maybe half a year)

they don't have seconds and minutes in their calendar
i mean their way of counting

 

AT least they fix things. That all that count for me.

 

Agree!

I used to always put Nvidia cards in my desktop machines, and found them to be good. Since buying laptops, this JH is my second, the first was a Dell, they both have had ATI cards. It was a year before ATI came out with a driver that would allow me to run a second monitor on my Dell without a failure and we all are all aware of the issues with the JH. I vote go with NVidia, they run cooler as well don't they...

 

Given that my (and MANY others) touchpads are still broken, i will kindly have to disagree....

 

Here are my 2 cents on the AMD refresh:

If its the same chasis:
1. The LCD lid could go a bit further back most coolers and stands use a diagonal position for the laptop and the LCD doesn't open enough.
2. The touchpad buttons feel really cheap. You could definitely make those better.
3. If the LID is closed, and you move the laptop around the LID flops around. It seems like the laptop needs a latch system to hold it down.

AMD sounds nice as long as the drivers work. They are significantly cheaper and give equally good performance. I think its a good idea, if it lowers the price. Just that you gotta make sure it gets well tested and everything works correctly.

 

Please stay on topic, this thread is not for anything but discussion of the keyboard/touchpad problems and BIOS.

 

If the certified BIOS 213 is anything like the one Chastity is hosting then we are all in for some serious disappointment.

I spent a whole day doing a complete reinstall and all I can say is that the Touchpad is completely borked now.

I never understood what others in this forum were experiencing until right now.
FWIW I'm running the latest Synaptics drivers. Everything is a fresh install. Latest official vBIOS, BIOS, ATI, Realtek... you name it!

I'm losing faith in Gary's magic... this issue appears to be getting worse quicker than it is getting better.

 

I don't think there has ever been any indication from Gary Key that the beta bios' were addressing both problems, they have been about the keyboard only. I know we all hoped it would help the tp... A post of his a while back said something like 'get the keyboard thing dealt with and then onto the touchpad issue'. With the release of 213 I guess they are now onto the tp fix.

 

As for the touchpad, I couldn't tell you if it's better or worse than beta 4. Worse, I think, but I was having problems before I flashed as well.

 

It seems worse on 213 compared to Beta 4. It goes boinkers almost instantly now.

 

Uninstalled Synaptics completely. At least the TP is functional now. Painfully slow, but functional!

 

Uhm, Gary requested feedback on new HD69xx and Sandy Bridge suggestions. Those would be on topic.

 

Let's keep it on topic here with the beta bios, he's going to start a new thread for the upcoming AMD stuff:

Discussing all that here would make the thread completely unreadable. For the sake of still troubleshooting this problem for affected users, let's not do that.

 

Ok back to BIOS discussion.

After 4 days without any restart with the new 213 BIOS posted by Chastity I can say my TP is working perfect and responsive. The problem became present only when I touch the palm rest surface just below the TP buttons (between the button and the led indictors for HDD, battery, etc) but so far, I'm satisfied with the results of the 213. I just need to play around with the sensitive, but since I use a wireless mouse, it's nothing that takes my sleep away.

How I make the update: First I removed synaptic from Uninstall Program window and KB Filter from Device Manager (with the option to remove all backup software). Next I restarted a couple of times just for the detection and installation of the default MS drives. Next, update in EzFlash from BIOS menu and finally I make the update to 1.003 (using the setup.exe in the zip file) and Synaptic installing version 15.2.7. Hope this info works for the rest of you.

Anyway, any upcoming BIOS designed for the TP specifically will be welcome.

 

Agreed, the fixes promised for the current AMD system haven't been resolved yet.

 

Well, definitely still having touchpad issues here. Tried palm check, it only fixed my touchpad for roughly half an hour. I've tried reinstalling both the filter and touchpad drivers, and even the BIOS. No luck. Ah well, hopefully the new drivers will help iron things out.

Overall I love my system, I had to RMA it once due to a failed HDD, but aside from that it's run butter smooth since purchasing it. Touchpad has been the only problem.

 

I think I can finally confirm that the keyboard lag bug is dead. At least it is for me. 213 seems to have done the trick. I've been using it for nearly a week and haven't missed a key that wasn't a Jody error.

My touchpad is too sensitive but it doesn't ever quit like you guys are reporting. It works all the time as long as you keep your fingers and palms away from the plastic around the touchpad. It sounds like mine works exactly like Nekki's.

 

Well, remember folks that there will also be an ATK package update that goes with this, plus an updated Synaptics driver.

 

So if I go to 213 beta my touchpad will stop going bonkers?

 

i install 213. If my touchpad was no good before, now is simply impossibile to use it. Cursor not move. Everything involve only in zoom.

 

Same for me too. All on a clean reinstall.

 

So what's the basic suggestion for getting the touchpad under control?

 

Turn up palm check, all the way, and turn off pinch zoom and rotate.

 

A week later and still not a single problem on default settings.

 

Yeah, mines ... okay. Not great, but it isn't freaking out. Borking, as it were.

 

Mine freaks out constantly now on 213 = =

 

doesn't sound too good

(hopes that new drivers will work)

 

It really is a weird issue, mine will work well for hours and then I will leave my machine and come back and it will barely move. Usually when a computer has an issue after a while you can see a pattern develop and eventually clue in to what triggers the problem. This tp issue is proving to be extremely elusive, one would have thought with the collective on this forum it could be nailed down to something.

I wonder if they ever will enlighten us ( assuming a fix does come ) as to what the actual problem was. Gary Key seems to be a man of very few words so probably not.

 

Yeah, I was thinking it might have something to do with the way the TP senses your fingers - if it is not responsive when cold, and over-responsive when the palmrest has been in use ... that makes me think it's a heat problem.

 

try to disable all synaptic enhancement, it seems to work for me


the incredible thing is that if i plug in my external mouse, the pad works...

 

Same here. With my USB mouse in the pad is much more reliable (go figure).
I tried disabling all synaptic enhancemwmts and the pad still has a tendency to lock up on me while unplugged (AC & USB mouse).
Does anyone else here keep legacy USB disabled in the BIOS too? My steel series mouse calls for it in order to avoid a painfully slow boot up time. Not sure if this may be impacting the TP performance.

 

If I was to hazard a guess, I think that the drivers + BIOS are not initializing the default settings properly. Some settings are not set in the Registry simply because the driver is utilizing default settings. If the BIOS is causing the drivers to use incorrect defaults, you will wind up with unpredictable behavior.

Since there is an upcoming ATK package from this, perhaps that was aggravating the issue involving the capture buffers. The upcoming Synaptics driver may be just adding more settings to insure the environment settings are correctly set.

My $0.02

 

I agree with MoreCoffee also. If this gets solved i would like to know what was the issue too.

 

don't forget to clean the touchpad and wash your hands often
it runs so easily now after i cleaned it

 

This. The touchpad isn't friendly to dirt or oils of any kind and it most definitely does not like dirty sweaty oily hands.

 

So what is the general consensus? Install beta BIOS or wait until it is released along with ATK and Synaptics? I've seen some people complaining of random touchpad issues that weren't there but is that the majority of people?

 

Don't do anything. There is no fix and never will be. Take it from someone who's tried everything, the TP and keyboard were better out of the box.

 

Agree... Wait for the new software.

 

I too say wait for the formal ASUS release.

 

The ASUS downloads section of the support website has been down for the past couple of days. Hopefully this means they are updating the drivers sections, with an official Bios release.

Or could just mean the server has crashed and no-one has bothere to fix it! (more likely?)

 

Sad to hear. Thanks for the heads up though.

 

I just went from 206 to 211, is it just me or is the touchpad way worse on 211?

 

everyone noticed you can't lets say use the keyboard and move the touchpad simultaneously, a bug or? xD

first time i installed WoW on the laptop usually i play on my main computer with my 42" lcd philips tv, so i noticed that when i try to move foward with W my touch pad does not respond to nothing until i stop pressing W or Any other key alone.

 

Yeah, that's one of the ways they fixed the dropped keystroke problem - before, you'd move the mouse while typing and miss a keystroke. Now, you can't move the mouse and type at the same time.

 

I just logged into WoW to check this. I am wandering about the Exodar with my Shammy and it's working. I can hold down W to run forward and move the cursor around the screen at the same time selecting things. I can also hold down the right click and use the touchpad to steer while W keeps me running forward. That is NOT a great way to try to control a toon, but it is working for me.

Could it be that you have palm check turned up a little and it is ignoring the touchpad for that reason? I do have to raise my left palm from the palm rest or my cursor just sits in one place. If I raise my left palm or move it far from the actual touchpad, the touch pad works just like a mouse does. I really cannot play games with a touchpad though. It's like trying to use a PS3 controller with your elbows.

 

I turned palmcheck to max and now it won't screw up when I rest my left hand on the side (unless I press the chasis really hard with my left hand...). I think the stupid touchpad is too sensitive that it senses areas around it even though its not supposed to. As for the typing and moving the mouse... Only time I see that happening is when you're gaming. Why game with the touchpad?

Edit: After experimentation, trying to move the mouse when you're typing not only doesn't move it, but it causes the mouse to become less responsive and screwy afterwards.

 

You could not type and move mouse with touchpad on BIOS 211 either.

 

Ye , i know it's not a "how it meant to be played" way, but it just made me curious if it should've work or wouldn't. using 211 newest 211 beta 04 fix, with newest synaptics from their site 64bit.