G50VT 9800M GS Overclocking?

Hey peeps,
I have a few questions about this process, I'm new to overclocking
1)Can I use any drivers to driver overclock in RivaTuner?
2)If i have to use 179.48, after the flashing can i return to 185.20?
3)My shader clock its only showing 800 instead of 9800GS's 1325ish. Why is this?
4)NVFlash will not install as I'm on 64bit Vista. Do I need to install it or do I just copy the installer to the Bootable Flashdrive?
Thanks a lot.

 

Look this is the way I did it. I have my 182.05 DOX drivers installed and didn't change a thing. I flashed my card and didn't do any testing or driver changing or anything. Everything works perfect. Grab the BIOS in this thread and flash that sucker on. I know it doesn't sound safe, but I did it and look everything is fine.

Didn't want to take the time to do things super proper as I just didn't see the use.

 

Thanks, your a hero.
Could still do with the answer to number 4 or does that not matter either?

 

It does not install... you run it from a boot disk... Their is a link a few pages back that has the instructions.

I am not trying to sound rude or anything but it has a lot of good info and you will want to read it being this is your first time doing.


The max my card can handle is 570 1425 800 on 1.05v any faster or any more voltage and it has issues...

I tried to just bump shader, or core and same result

1500 dont work on shader and 585 blows up the core, regardless of voltage.

Maybe this is the new safe number for people to use as I seem to be the second person with this limit. sux

 

Bryanu: that does sound like a real bummer. I find your speed posts very interesting though..
"Tried 570 1450 800 @ 1.05v and that seems much more stable."
before i pushed my voltage up to 1.11v thats exactly where mine would start error'ing (blue screen video driver fail) if i pushed further.

The heat in your latptop seems fine... mine will pull around 90c when things start heaving. i have a T9600 oc'ed to 3.1 so that certainly doesn't help either.

1> did you use the GTS rom from this thread that tavara posted?
2> can you post exactly where you are setting the voltage to 1.1 please?
"tab name > section > option". it just sounds suspiciously like a 1.05 volt setup..
3> Have you used GPUZ or another program to test that your card is pulling 1.11v under load (furmark)?
4> do you have an G50vt-a1?

83c is certainly not enough to overheat the card.. nor is 85c.

who else has had this trouble?. it would be very beneficial for people to know if this is not a 100% process..

Tenspeed33 agreed on what Bryanu said, make sure you read this stuff. its not a certainty and its not covered by warranty, be careful.

Exostenza regarding oc'ing. tavara seems to be getting some wild numbers oc'ing, if i could get up to his clocks i reckon 06 would hit 11k.. However its just too hot at home in aus atm to push any further. i did stick it up a bit just to hit 10k 06 marks hehe. but i run at standard GTS speed all the time and it still gets bloody hot... same as stock GS speeds...
tavara's seems to run some 10c cooler than my system, better cooling, thremal paste, wicked chips who knows..

 

electronicrice posted on page 9 that 570 was the cap also.

I tried the GTS settings w/ 1.11v and got driver errors.

Than tried to step down to 585 1450 800 and had same issue,

than went to 570 1450 800 v1.05 and it was even more better but i saw some artifacting (not a lot but enough).

So now I am at 570 1425 800 v1.05

I not going to bother trying 570 1450 800 on v1.11 because its not worth to raise the voltage for such a small single change....

So for now this is what I am 570 1425 800 @ v1.05.

I am not new to this as I bios clock my desktop but seem to just have more bad luck on the laptop.

My temps wont pass 85c so thats good. cut off is 105c and i think 90 is to much really.

I will get a p9600 2.66 @ 25w which will help with some heat but i know heats not my issue.

Guess this is how they make the 9800M GS... Its ones that cant handle to be a GTS, lol


gpuz does not show voltage, and mine is g50vt-a2. What is odd is GPUz showing as 65nm and shouldnt it be 55nm chip?

 

Ive read it over and over i think i could do this from memory!
Ill be flashing tomorrow, see how turns out. Ill be monitoring temps, and if it all goes up i can restore my original BIOS and forget about everything, its no big deal doing this; only 5-6FPS right?

 

It depends what your doing and the graphics.

Some may be 1fps others 5-6 and some 10fps.

In my case its very very little due to only going up 70Mhz and 100shader thats not really much of a change. I still question if mine is good as have not really had time to test it longer than about 10 minutes so could end up going even slower on me.

I would say if you have the time start with little changes and work your way up. Not everyone is going to be able to flash GTS speeds and work. Im a good example, haha but its not to say you cant get a little something more out of it.


I would buy a dang GTS card if could buy them, but none want to sell the dang cards... I am more intrested in the 1gb memory on it as 512 is not much in todays world when the new ones all have over a gb. These new games are killer and killer to the video, haha

 

GPUZ still shows it as a 9800GT not a GS so the 55nm bit wont update till they add the chip to list.

such a bugger about the no GTS speeds. mine sounds identical to the mhz as yours when not using 1.11 volts.. so weird.

i would prefer more shaders on the GPU than more ram. 64 just aint enough to put crysis warhead shader on anything above the middle setting but 512 ram does the trick nicely. its a good amount versus the power of the card.

 

I'm using 1.15v on my GPU everything is stable and no heat my temp never pass 80C. I don't have your issues. look my bench mark. I think to put my GPU on 1.2v
p.s. I'm gaming at this clocks and so far no issues

 

Just because temps dont go up does not mean damage cant happen.

You can be 0c and still fry chips

Be careful. I would not go anymore than 1.15. These cards may seem to be GTS cards and can take 1.11v fine but they indeed are not the GTS cards. While most people can get them to run that which is cool, i would not go push the luck because if it dies your in trouble. Esp if it dies to the point you cant flash it back because than no warranty

And even if they will warranty it do you want to have to send it in and have someone open her up? I rather not anyone open my baby up but me

But anyway I would say your lucky.

I tested mine for an hour and 570-1425-800 @ 1.05 is all i can get out of her. any higher on shader and it artifacts, any higher on clock and it crashes.... regardless of voltage.

But I guess its a good way of saving me battery power, haha. But I still rather have more power.

I would pay for a better card if could buy the darn things. If I broke my GS card asus wont even sell me one. I tried to act like i had another notebook and broke it and wanted to buy one and they said no. Nice huh?

 

For you guys having troubles I really think it has to do with the drivers you are using as a whole bunch of the 18x.xx series of drivers killed over clocking for so many people. I suggest trying to go to 182.05 DOX modified as I have had the best results with those. What drivers are you guy using?

 

I use same drivers

 

I'm using 185.20 atm, ill try using 182.05. Any major differences between the two?
Looking forward to flashing. Can anybody upload the old bios so I don't have to this step? I'll only have about half an hour tonight so i need to do it quick as possible. thanks

 

HEY GUYS! To shed some light on the situation I finally figured out what the 9800m GS card is! When the 9800m GTS first came out they were 65nm cards with 512MB of RAM then nVidia updated the card to a 55nm process and put on 1024MB of RAM so what we have in our laptops is a down clocked version of the original 9800m GTS!

Yeah actually the 182.05 has major performance gains when using AA in new games so you should check it out. Plus if you get the DOX edition is has the best tweaks for performance and stability which is a must o laptops in my books!

Also to grab your old bios its literally typing 3 words if you are too lazy to that I think you shouldn't be dabbling in overclocking!!

tavara: how the hell is your max temp 80c? we have the same laptop you must have done something or have a faulty temp sensor!

 

No faulty temp sensor, maybe because my CPU is only 25w and good termalpaste, I don't know.
No cooler, I just rise back of my lapy which helps a lot, try this

 

my boss just one of this today and on the properties display it shows at 9800 GT i was surpised.

 

Its not a 9800m GT its just that there is no actual classification for the 9800m GS because really it doesn't exist according to nVidia so it comes up as 9800 GT. The GT has 96 shaders and low clocks and this card has 64 shaders and slightly higher clocks. Now if you read this thead you would know that the card is actually an old 9800m GTS which is awesome because it can be easily flashed to the much better clocks.

 

Very fair point.

The new BIOS link no longer works btw.

 

So than these cards are 65nm than? Because that’s what the original GTS was... and GPUz shows mine as a 9800GS and says 65nm.... I know it use to say GT which was wrong..

But as i said, these are not 100% the same as the original GTS.

These are cards that failed to pass as GTS so the got turned into a GS instead. (Good way for a company to still make money on defective things, resell it as a new lower model)

Thus why some people have problems, like me for example.

I have tested with all of the drivers also btw... It’s not a driver issue as the driver does not care about hardware level clocks, they more freak out on software level clocks.

Its the same as and factory overclocked cards you can buy. If the card fails to meet the specs, they sell it as a vanilla card (stock) otherwise they sell them as special editions like super clocked or FTW and things like that.

Now grant it not EVERY card gets tested and binned this way but you get the idea.

Most of you have been lucky but I guess I am one of the few that got the duds.

If yours will run it than the card should be fine...

 

I' sory for you

 

OK i tried it on 185.20 and got driver errors, gunna retry the whole thing on 182.05 now as they have had the most success.
Could this be to do with the voltage?
Tavara what voltage are you using?

 

You're just saying that to make me feel better!!! If you're really sorry you will trade GPU cards with me

What do you have the bios for the card at? the GTS speeds? Also when you say driver errors you mean the one that says "The display driver has stopped responding and windows has reset it" or whatever it says? Thats the vista message at least...

Some people are on XP which does not stress video cards as much neither so thats nother thing...

 

yeah, that was the error. I realised it was because I forgot to up the voltage to 1.11V. works like a charm on a clean install of 182.05 and GTS speeds!
Bryanu what drivers are you using? You didnt forget to change the voltage did you? cos thats what I did (Blonde moment...)

EDIT: OK, I somehow managed to break the sound. It works when I test it in RealTek, but not on bootup or in a video...

 

Great to hear you worked it out and now you have a GTS like me! It has really made my gaming so much better. Also do oyu have the 182.05 DOX or vanlilla as I cannot get across how much the DOX drivers help my minimum frame rates compared to the vanilla.

Also I am fairly sure that nVidia replaced the whole GTS line with the new 55nm 1GB cards and dumped all these old GTS cards to companies that wanted a decent card for cheaper in their smaller laptops so really every card should be able to pull the GTS speeds fine as they were made for it according to my theory which I acknowledge could be wrong.

Happy gaming on your GTS!

Oh hey give it a stress test on 3dmark 05 with everything at he max settings and run every test twice and tell me your max temp please. I hit 93C! although I have not gone over 88C while playing games and have never had a single instability issue! Yeah!

tavara be a good sport and run the crysis WH bench at the same settings but on DX9 for me would yah?

 

Ill see if I can get 3dm05 and ill do it!
Went to 76ish during 15mins of COD4. Pretty much the same.
GTS's rule

 

As of right now I am back to the official Nvidia notebook drivers that came out early this month on their site.

I like the notebook ones better because battery life is much better and it handles the down/up clocking better.

If your always plugged in its not an issue but I am 50/50 so I need to run somewhat decent and the offical ones downclock/upclock themselves correct as the desktop ones dont really do it right on the notebook.

Anyway someone post the GTS bio mod and I will compare it to mine. I know I am doing it right because I have done others and my notebooks in the past and do them fine.

Hopefully the download link wont die before I get home to check it... lol

 

Anybody have any idea why my sound suddenly doesn't work in sound based applications like iTunes, but works when I test it in RealTek?

EDIT: Sorted it; just randomly decided to work again.

I LOVE GTS'S!!! gained 10FPS in COD4 at the least. Sweet.

 

i'm on 1.15v

 

it is 55nm check out the site www.notebookcheck.com. lots of comparisons with other cards as well... when at GTS speeds the GS steps up a fair bit..

let us know how you go again Bryanu. i have not posted a bios but instead the exact options i selected in nbitor. use that if you get stuck.

 

this is not true, it is 65nm

 

So does a higher voltage allow the card to be overclocked more?
I dont have the balls or the nerves to OC any further than GTS speeds.
Also, in the 3dmark test my processor was absolutely rubbish and ran at 1 FPS if that. Id turbo extremed it in direct console, could that have affected it?
I got 8910 in 3dmark06 at 1280x1024 at GTS speeds. Is that about right or is the processor problem affecting my score?

 

So does a higher voltage allow the card to be overclocked more?
YES
Your balls are too small )

 

Is there a way to overclock the CPU from the bios or bios level? Cause I don't really like having the software OC the CPU if it is possible to do it with the bios, Thanks guys!

 

that'll explain my problem before and my stupidity aswell. Can't believe I forgot to change the voltage, I mean, DUH!!
Oh, cheers! Haha!

 

I have been reading this thread for a couple of days and I was wondering if any of you has tried Benching in Windows 7?
Without any GPU Bios mods and DirectCon set to Turbo Extreme I was able to get 9154 in 3DMark 06 using Win7.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=10125201

 

Well I did it again and still no joy.

570 1425 800 @ 1.05 is all she can do... Any higher and she goes nuts. even with voltage on 1.11... I think the shader will go higher if I just up the voltage but I dont find it worth to up voltage just for a few more shaders and thats it. If I could get a little more core also than yea, but nope

 

Has anyone upgraded their memory? I keep hearing that cheap RAM was used in the G50VT-X1 (BestBuy Ed.) and I was thinking up upgrading mine since it is so freaking cheap right now.
I'm looking at some OCZ RAM and I wanted to know if you guys think it would help a bit for the whole OC thingy.
Cas Latency: 5
Timing: 5-5-5-15
Voltage: 1.8V

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227251

 

hmm, something seems to be wrong for me. I flashed my vbios and it is set to 600-1500-800 (Verified with Everest) and I'm running my CPU with SetFSB at 2.7ghz and I'm only getting 8800 on 3dmark 06. Everest verifies that all of the settings I have changed so that's not the problem.

 

frostbit3: what drivers are you using?

betc: The 9800m GS is the old 9800m GTS down clocked which is a 65nm card. The new GTS is a 55nm card with 1gb RAM. Our card is 65nm.

gruntus: Unless you want to OC the cpu like crazy I wouldn't really care about new ram as long as you have 4GB.

 

Good to know thanks

 

Does anybody know why my CPU is averaging 1FPS in 3dm06? ITs bringing my score down by like 400 points... getting 8700's most of the time.
Max Temp is 86 degrees btw, if anybody wants to compare.

 

tenspeed are you benching in vista64? that is a lot slower than xp.
everyones CPU gets smashed in 06. 1-2 fps max

not that it matters but where are you getting the info on the 65nm stuff guys, i cant find anything concrete on the net

hanging for the ocz vertex to hit the shelves...

 

I'm using the beta Nvidia drivers from nvidia.com.

 

I think I need to flash mine down a little bit, I start getting minor pixel errors with ATItool after about 10 minutes of stressing. Hopefully I can just drop the clock by 10-15MHz and be able to keep the voltage up to support the shaders.

 

Yeah, Im getting the same. My X2 gets to about 93-93 C also

 

86C is what I get to, with a P8400.

 

hello everyone
i tried to OC mine and the highest clocks i could play with the GTA IV are 550-1425-799 @ 1.05
the game is much better now and runs smooth most of the time with max temp of 88
with 3dmark06 i get an error whenever the temp reaches 80

but there is a problem , i can't install drivers other than the notebook ones like 179.29 or 179.48
when i try to install 182.06 or any other desktop driver i get this message


is there a solution?

ThanX

 

Abu Kald: you are trying to install desktop drivers on a notebook which is a no go if you try and do it from nvidia.com what yo need to go is go to laptopvideo2go.com and download the edited .inf for the driver you want so it will install for your mobile card. Although you have to remember that even though desktop drivers are sometimes better than the official mobile ones as they are never and thus have more bug fixes and optimizations they are not made for mobile gpus and may cause some problems. The solution to this is to use the drivers made by DOX which are on the same site. DOX takes the latest desktop drivers and tweaks them specifically for mobile GPUs which has increased stability and performance. I suggest you get the 182.05 DOX drivers and give those a go as for me they have made a real difference.

Happy gaming and I hope this helped!

For EVERYONE please consider this if you really want a great OC! I have been reading a lot of threads on over clocking mobile GPUs and the largest reason that I have come across for over clocking failures has been because of the drivers. The best reports have been from the 182.05 DOX drivers. I was talking to someone who was using the 169.xx release drivers still because he couldn't get his OC to work (artifacting, crashes) on any driver since that one and now is fine with the 182.05 DOX! If everyone seems to be getting a good OC and you cannot try different drivers if you have the time and always remember to clean install them if you are having problems (uninstall, restart, driver sweeper in safe mode, restart, install).

Also if I help you please give me rep

 

Sounds similar to my OC results.

I was able to get up to 570 1425 800 on the 1.05v (but have not ran 3dmark or anything to stress it bad yet. I just played one of my games and any other clocks would cause driver to bugg out or artifacting.

Did you try more voltage on the higher clocks? If so on this lower clock have you tried 570 on the core speed at least? the shader and memory is the same as mine otherwise (with the exception I changed memory from 799 to 800... still dont get why it was 799 and wonder if others changed theirs.)