G74SX 560m (192 Bit) Overclocking results & Temps

I suggest you use this driver:
Graphics Driver - Verde 290.53 Driver - GeForce

 

QFT

I can go for Benchmark at WAY higher freq without even crash where B3 crash when i try to go too far.

 

Heh, yea so far no instability with bf3 at my clocks atleast (900,1500)

 

Hi.
What are you opinions on the new 295.73 driver?
Seems to be more stable for me, can now play BF3 stable on 930,1650. Got dx11 crasha few times with the old driver on those clocks.
What settings do you use and what framerates do you get on BF3?
I play on medium settings and get about 45-65fps.
will post some benchmark results later today

 

I play on mostly High settings with medium shadows plus FXAA on medium (900/1600 clocks).

 

What kind of fps do you get with those settings?
Havent tried fxaa yet, is it worth doing?

Here are my 3Dmark vantage scores: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-2670QM Processor,ASUSTeK Computer Inc. G74Sx score: P11477 3DMarks
My 3Dmark 11 scores are 2674.
Both on 930/1650 wich I have played on for hours without any problems

 

Don't know, never checked fps since it's quite fluent (but keep in mind i only play "Rush" maps and only 32 player servers.

Also in nVidia driver settings i use "Maximum pre-rendered frames - 2", "Quality" set to "Quality", "Negative LOD bias" to "Allow", and optimizations to "On" and threaded to "Auto".

Those settings give me best performance in games with minimal impact on quality (to be honest i don't see the difference at all).

 

Guys I have an old power supply from my asus g72 (replaced under warranty to the new g74sx-a1 lucky me) @185w. I can oc to 950/1700/1900 core/mem/shader where as on the 150w supply I can only clock it at 875/1600/1750 stable.... So my question is it possibly the lack of power causing instability for some? because on battery power even my 875/1600/1750 is unstable..... therefore my theory being possibly power instability causing issues??? Just a theory nothing I can really state as fact just wanted others opinions. I remember ages ago I replaced my dell 9300 card from the ati x300 to the geforce 7600go and had to also get a larger power supply for it to even run. Dell inspiron 9300.

 

I've always wanted to try a more powerfull adapter just in case it was a lack of power ..

I guess you found something really interesting.

Do you know where we can get thoses adapters ?

 

I'm not sure check eBay. Its a 19.5v @ 9.5a Output. They came with first Gen g72 and I think all g71 series. I think they redesigned it because of issues with the plug that connects to the DC port on lappy. The cpu is 45w alone..... add draw from mobo and video gpu plusss those massive fans I'm sure the laptop could easily draw 185w even IMO... considering parasitic loss ect. Also note maxbattery output is 78wh meaning can only supply 78w Max. Rando search DC [email protected] output should find something.... you can always solder a plug u need onto it

Battery only supplies 78 watts vs. Power supply @ 185watts also lower voltage @ 14.4 vs 19.5

That's just my 2 cents

 

Google found a few but I found none on eBay.

 

Can you explain me what you told me about the maxbattery output ? I don't get it :x

 

Ok your battery is a is a 78 watt hour battery. The maximum output is therefore 78 watts. Hence the reason I can't get any overclocks to work on battery and also at stock even if you use high performance setting you get less fps while on battery because the system is starving for power.

 

I have a universal power supply @ max 300w I can change voltage from 5-25v in Half volt increments. I'm gonna solded a tip on it for my laptop then set it for 19.5v then see if I can oc it more its late tonight ill try it tomorrow. And post back what happens. Good night all.


edit->no such luck had not used it in years I guess something in it burned out. so im still using my 185w supply. At least I get a much higher OC with it instead of the 150w.

edit 2--> I just had a 2 hour gaming session with it oc @ 975/1720/1950 no issues and it was cool still @ 65c max my room is cold like 60deg F so it helps keep it cooler. I tried it with the 150w and it reset itself to lower clocks after about 3 min..... Im feeling pretty confident that a boost in power helps with the OC now also if your wondering im running stock vbios. going to test it a bit highr see what i can reach

 

Any one with the g74sx in the south florida (ft lauderdale/miami) area I want to try this on another lappy to test this theory because if this works alot of people will really be happy and will be able to increase their OC.

 

Yeah please, someone try it !

Or wait for me to come to florida ... in a year or two

Edit : i can only search for power supply by Voltage or Amp , how do you manage to find a 300W ?

I try several keywords on eBay like " 300W Laptop Power supply " and i can't find one. I'd like to try it too.

 

Guys, I can tell you 100% that the more powerful PSU will help to overclock further the 560M, especially the one with the 3GB VRAM (they consume slightly more)

With my 580M, I had to go for a 220W which helped me to play with my high clocks, the 180W wasnt good enough and shut down sometimes (overload protection)...so your theory is definitely right, a 180W rather than a 150w PSU for the G74 will allow a higher o/c !

 

Ok ! Is there any models from like official brands or such i'm sure it's more than 150W ?

I mean , on internet there's hundred of fake chinese PSU , i don't know wich one i can choose ( i'd rather avoid soldering if it's possible,only do it if there's only that way to do it)

Do you think than more than 185W Is usefull ? Pau1ow talks about 185 , Tommyb 300W ( ! ) , wich model do you think will be the best for this ?

And i ask again , where do you find your watt ? On my stock one , i can see 100-240V - 2.0A input , output 19.5V = 7.7A ? Is it something like 19.5 * 7.7 ? So i should find a 19.5V / 9A that's right ?

 

You're exactly right Catzoo, W=VxI so you need a 19.5V / 9.5A or 20V/9A

I got a 220W PSU with the same power tip as my G74SX, I might try it to see what is the benefit over the 150W adapter.

 

Ok thanks !
For Voltage or Amp , does it work like " If it's less than what's needed it will not work but if it's more it will only use what it need without risk of burn ? " ?

I mean , 20V is ok or more even if it's 19.5 on the original ?

If that 220W Works ok for OC , would you please give me the reference of it ? ( for me to know wich laptop models have the same plug to avoid solder and try to find one)

The only powerfull enough i found from now on ebay are from Toshiba laptops ( with a very different plug ) , and they are kinda expensive. ( and if anybody here have one to sell , just PM me )

 

IM using the 185w. I tried the 300w universal one I had but it had been in storage so long it just didnt work. Ill try taking it apart later to see if I can fix it. also its ok to go to 20v but any higher and it can cause problems. However amperage its ok to go as high as you like because the system will only draw what it can use.

 

lolz saw this guy had 2, 4.9Ax20v power bricks soldered to one jack...... about 196watt. I have the 185 watt and that has given me decent oc boost its a 35 watt increase over the stock. So the 150 watt is good for stock but I seem to need more for a higher OC than 875/1600/1750 to run stable. would be interested in trying 20v@ say 10A, or 200w just to see if I can get a higher boost.

 

I will tell you in a couple of days, I got a 220w adapter running with my MSI and it is the same power tip as the G74 but for a 560M, 180/185W is definitely enough, I don't thin there will be any benefit going for a 200W+ PSU.

 

NVIDIA DRIVERS 6.08
Try this instead of the other tools it seems to be more stable also when I use the actual nvidia system tools to overclock however I cant seem to get the mem overclocked past 1500. on the up side i was able to get the core up to 1000!!!!! will report back and let you know how stable it is.

 

Guys,

Just wondering, do you know if there's any 1V VBIOS for ghe GTX560M 3GB ? Or are you all overclocking with the default one (0.96v) ?

My former 460M had its memory pushed to 1650 so can't believe the 560M can't get higher than 1500. Also, it used the 1v vbios.

 

no I was saying in the oc utility direct from nvidia I cant set it higher than 1500 with that utility. with nvidia inspector I can set it stable @ 1720, however I can set a higher stable core and shader speed in the nvidia performance settings with the mem @ 1500. I was stable playing World of tanks max settings @ 1000/1500/2000 for over an hour. But if I use Nvidia inspector I can only go to 950/1720/1900 yet I get lower FPS than the 1000/1500/2000 from the Direct from Nvidia system performance tool...... which confuses me a bit. Also im still running on my 185w ps. It was the same with my old gtx 260m card the clock and shader I could OC lots but the memory was the weakness of that card.

One more thing I have to say I hope the next gen Nvidia card has 256bit (1/4 more mem bandwidth) again cuz my gtx260m with my overclock was beast. It could almost handle the same games as this new gtx560 can stock which is sad..... my gtx 260m OC can handle the same setting in game as this card stock just only about 5-10fps lower yet still over 30...

The old gtx260m@ 256bit at lower clocks could still handle 60gbps bandwidth memory.... which is the stock settings bandwidth of this newer gtx560m

And please help me understand if anything i say is incorrect please correct me .... im still trying to learn myself but this is just as I understand it

 

Would be interested in jumping the V to 1v instead of .962v lolz but am worried about higher lolz.... I like to OC but playing with voltage concerns me. Increasing the Amps available is ok because the card will only draw what it needs, however you can overvolt and damage with higher voltages.... so I would worry about higher than 1V on the card.

 

Shouldnt be an issue, my GTX580M went from 0.87V to 0.92V and it allowed me to increase the core clocks from 750 to over 800

 

From what i read, there's new version of modbios that support 560M , but i can't found any information on G74 , as the Bios is somehow " locked " by Asus ( it's not MXM )

 

Some of us really need clarification on this.
Im running a 2630QM also.
I'm not ticking those other two options until I hear more.


Also I read that you shouldn't even have to push the on button for throttlestop to work. Don't even know if it helped any or maybe I suppose to tick those other two options?

Also about over clocking the 3GB 560 I went 900/1800/1600 and noticed no noticible performance increase with the following games so now Im back to stock clocks.
Also I noticed only a 3C increase in GPU temp with that overclock

Flight Simulator X(Heavily Modded with ENB, 20GB of hi res extra scenery and Forced AA settings through nvidia)
GTAIV (Heavily modded with ENB)
BF3

I've been running all 3 games on totally maxxed out settings with stock clocks just fine.
BF3 always seemed smooth and playable multiplayer wise. Never tried singleplayer though is singleplayer more demanding on the GPU?

In GTAIV im using 1585mb of my 3000mb of GPU and the game runs smooth also.

Same with FSX.

Who with a 3GB 560M and 2630QM has to run BF3 on medium settings?????

Maybe you have too many background processes running?
Youtube???
Flash video???

I feel the 3gb 560 handles these games with no problems on max settings with playable FPS.
Maybe youre sharing too much CPU with other programs and thats the bottleneck????

But as I said i never measured actual FPS with any of these games just by feel.

 

Seriously , have you ever played competitively in a first person shooter ?

I still feel WAY better on a desktop PC with real graphical power than on my Laptop ( very same config than you ) with BF3 on low / medium.

Even high end PC can't maxed out BF3 ( i'm not talkin about quad SLI 590 for sure , but normal config can't maxed out )

Even on the lowest setting available with 1920/1080 , it's IMPOSSIBLE to have constant 60 FPS on heavy combats , while in a tank and shooting , in smoke of an explosion etc ..

So no , you can't play BF3 maxed out with a 2630 and a 3Gb card. Last benchmark was from a clean install , latest driver , same overclock , same config, just BF3 installed.

BTW ,just wondering , when you said you maxed out BF3 , what was your FPS ? 25-35 ? It's completely unplayable if you want to be accurate.

I'd love to be wrong, but unless my laptop is deffective , just shot a quick movie of intensive 64 player map maxed out , show FPS via console comand and shot with a camera or phone ( no fraps , it use a lot of power )

Sure if you try maps that are not demanding like Noshar Canals on 12 players ...

You know , i'd love to be wrong , but i read everywhere people saying " I CAN MAXED OUT BF3 I HAVE MORE THAN 25FPS AVERAGE " ... that makes me wanna cry , how can we play a game at 25 FPS

 

I'm sorry I checked again im not totally maxxed out because I use medium shadows


I been playing on these settings since BF3 release on stock clocks with that required BF3 driver update and that's all.
I just fraps my FPS ands that exactly what my average is 25FPS and I play and collect kills just fine and yes I only play BF3 for 64 player conquest maps.
I never ever had a problem with lag or anything else.
My bullets always hit their marks.

How much more of an competitive advantage can i get with more FPS??
I don't get it?
25FPS seems like well enough to play smoothly.
I don't lag in heavy combat, if so I would have been lowered my settings.

Maybe you guys have crappy internet at home?

 

There's something i didn't get.

I tried to play just after your post with thoses settings, even lower ( i didn't even try Ambiant Occlusion ) and it was totally unplayable ... i played for like 5-10 min at thoses settings, and i stopped after raging not seeing where i get shot.

I'm not surprised the average FPS is 25, the GTX 560M is kinda strong , but i think BF3 is pure crap : High or Ultra quality : 25-30FPS , low quality : 45-60 FPS.

Any normal game should look like Ultra 5-10FPS and low over 60FPS all the time , even with heavy effect. It's like if it's not well balanced.

Did you type any consol commands to get better FPS ? I always use :
render.drawfps 1
WorldRender.SpotLightShadowmapResolution 256
WorldRender.DxDeferredCsPathEnable 0 ( this one makes HUGE boost )

Did you ever try playing a bit at lower to see if it's not more confortable ?

Graph : Custom
Texture : High
Shadow : low
Normal / Normal / Low / normal on next 4
No no no / on next 3
8X anisotropic
No at HBAO / SSAO


Just try to play for 10 min like with thoses settings and thoses consol commands, you'll see the difference ...

And you'll see why people like me wants more : it's still not perfectly smooth like when you watch the sky or your foot, and it's really ugly.

 

Catzoo you should get a 580M Mine overclocked to 560ti clock (822 core, memory only 1900 though) and I am performing over 80fps avg @ 900P Ultra textures + high settings, SSAO, No MSAA, 8x Anisotropy and I can tell it has never been that smooth.
Also, seems the 295.73 gave me a boost over the 285.79 I came from, but now temps has also risen significantly with such o/c

What are your 560M clocks? You should play @ 900p, this is what I was doing with my 460M @ 865/1650 and the game was quite smooth too
Add me: paulitouk

 

I was gonna ask if you updated the driver, but that update was mandatory just to even play BF3.
What else you running in the background?
Anything that would be devouring your 8GB of RAM while playing BF3?
I run the bare bone minimum background processes when I play games.

We are running pretty much the same specs I have a G74S except I have the 12GB RAM option.

I literally came home unboxed my G74S threw in BF3 downloaded that driver patch and played on those settings ever since.

No throttlestop no overclock no nothing.

Hmmm just to throw it in maybe a factor, I keep my A/C blasting ice cold at 63 degrees usually in my house.

 

I'd love to get a 580M, but all my friend and GF gathered money for allowing me to buy that expensive laptop, i'm kinda forced to keep it even if i'd love to sell it and buy a new one.

To answer Lou , i got absolutly nothing in the background( only Razer tray for my gear, but it only takes like 10 Mb ram ) , i even close firefox when i'm on a server and disable Antivirus ( Avast free ) to be sure there's nothing running !

i've already tried 900P , yeah it's way more smooth even on high settings, but it feels blurry on my external screen , and it feels even more blurry on the laptop , and aliasing is so visible that i'd rather be at 1080 with no AA than 900P with Anti AA on.

I'd love to check another G74 to see if there's a real difference and a problem with my laptop. It's an awesome laptop and i'd say that 95% of people would say it's really enjoyable , but i cry every time i go to a friend's that has a GTX460 desktop , who plays on high with absolutly no slowdown

BTW , trying your settings , i found something : FPS stay stable. I mean , from high explosion to nothing , the FPS stays kinda the same. When you lower the settings, there's a huge difference between , for ex , spawn time with no fire and explosion in town with explosion and such.

I usually plays BF3 at 885 / 1550 , when i go higher than 890-895 , it sometimes crash after long play , over 900 instant crash within 5-10 min

 

I have to do this everytime I play?
Console command as in pushing ` ingame?

 

You can do it everytime you play ( works while loading and ingame ) , or just do a CFG fil ( i think it's something called user.cfg you have to put on the root of the game , just google BF3 CFG )

But just show fps , and type them one by one. You'll see if you grab some frame

Last fresh install was a few weeks ago, and i'm still too lazy to create a new CFG and always type them lol

 

Just got my new 180W PSU , so i tried a bit of OC

BF3 wich use to crash over 900 in less than 5 min was stable for 30 min at least at 910, then crash

Revert back to 900, it was stable for 1h20 yesterday night So far so good, i'll push it to it's limit , but BF is way less stable than other game imo , even on not OC card it sometimes crash , and EA suggest to download an OC tool to reduce the freq a bit !!!!

So i'll try a few bench later also

Edit 1 :

http://3dmark.com/3dmv/3989526;jsessionid=1gg7w2zy8ljqf12mmdi6sz989x

Edit 2 : I tried to be crazy ( not that much, ppl here manage to reach 965 even 1Ghrtz ), i put 950 / 1500 and launch a burn in before the benchmark. INSTANT CRASH xD

 

What are your guys' Manage 3D Settings set at? Should I override the anialialising/anisitropic filtering or leave it at application controlled? for best bf3 performance?

 

Hey remember I was running BF3 on those high settings with stock 3GB 560M and 2630QM?
Well seems like my good performance luck is gone now with BF3 thanks to the new patch.
The game runs horribly even on medium settings.

 

25fps IS lag.. how can you stand to look at 25fps? its a total eyesore.

 

Whats your BF3 settings?
You running stock clocks?

 

So tired of BF3 crashing after every two full games. This didn't use to happen on the older nvidia drives . Is it time to upgrade to g75 or is g75 with the 660m still a week pos to play bf3?

 

hi buddy, long time no see
how's your laptop and overclocking going?
i have just recently changed to msi gt 60 (with gtx 670m + ivy bridge)
quite awesome for a 15 incher. you should change too , i am recommending this laptop

here is few bench



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already sold my g74sx and awaiting my NP9150 with the 7970m in the mail benchmarks show a 50% fps increase on bf3 ultra on stock clocks vs GTX 560m on 900/1600
awwwwwwwwyeaaaaa

 

Throttlestop will not work on any Intel Processors, When I have time i will find a link but you can just read the instruction manual from Throttlestop and it will tell you the same thing.

 

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