GTX 460M (VRAM 1Gb vs 1.5Gb)

I believe BB should rename it to gtx460m limited..

 

this thread is very helpful, as i was considering buying the best buy g73sw. not anymore though.

 

JH or the JW 1.5GB my friend such a shame BB have put such a bottleneck with such a great processor.

 

I just got full refund from BB.. I got lucky.. No 15% restocking fee.
Hope words go around and let people know what BB done to this great laptop.
Now I'm back to shopping for laptop again..

 

Its lol funny the BB G73 against your benchmark results for your Dell XPS

That thing may run hot and be quite old but I still remember how amazingly fast my XPS was with duel 8800 GTX's what a beast of its time.

 

Dang, 5870m kills this thing....

I just got a P2205 vs the P1695 the 1gb 460m gets. It took me a minute to get the test to run right (kept running at 500/1000 clocks, so I auto set my clocks to 700/1000), but that is not an insignificant difference.

http://3dmark.com/3dm11/921043

 

Yup the 5870m eats up 3Dmark11 even against the GTX 1.5gb version. If you throw your clocks upto 800/1100 I was hitting near P2400 which for a mobile card is a little bit impressive to say the least.

 

I must say XPS was old but still good to go considering 14000s in 3dmark06.. that is almost same score people with Asus G73 GTX460m 1.5gb is getting..

 

I am surprised that the 1gb 460m scored so low in 06 considering it is very CPU dependent and it has the powerful sandy bridge CPU. I bet half of that score is CPU.

 

I totally agree to the comment above.
I'm sure with C2D processor score would have been close to 6000s

Get the one with 1.5gb version like others do.. Stay away from Limited version..

 

Damn, I feel better about buying the less watered down G73jh-HST7.

Still watered down though, not as much as the BST6.

It shouldn't be called SW, That's false advertisement? No?

 

One question: Is the gpu easily tradeable in G73 serie0?s (I haven't opened mine yet so i have no idea XD)

So far my watered down 460m is holding up fine, but it would be nice to know that i can change it a few years ahead...

 

I'm most Asus laptops you cant, now changing an Asus GTX460m for another Asus GTX460m might be possible, but a like lets say a GTX560m i doubt it.

 

Bah, but then that would be useless XD I would like to change for i don't know a supposedly 760m or even a 860m... Right now there's just no reason to upgrade...

 

I was searching around the forum for newegg references and found this post, because right now newegg has a G53SW-XN1 with, wait for it, a 2nd-gen Sandy Bridge processor (i7-2630QM), 1080p screen, and a true 460m with 1.5 GB of memory. And it costs $1200. Quite a prescient comment for you to make right there, good sir.

 

BB version G73sw sucks Here is my result G73jh ( video 5870 800/1075 )

 

Dang, I got a 2200 with stock clocks and 2400 with 800/1095. How did you get a 2500? Anything special you are doing?

 

Ditto ^^ is that a JH result? that is an outstanding bench I have spent countless hours and at 825/1100 I can only get below. Impressive.

EDIT: What CPU are you using? Because your physics score is near 1000 more points more than mine I would assume you have a plush CPU upgrade?

 

I'm using i7 720QM, but he clocked using SetFsb
I forgot this point I'm sorry (driver 11.4)

 

I scored 2.5k with 11.4 and 850,1100 clocks. My cpu was also overclocked. http://3dmark.com/3dm11/845178

 

Ah I see What clocks are you running at using SETFSB? Im considering coughing up a fiver and getting it.

 

I use a step 170/760, fsb 153.3
Stably in this mode

 

I wonder if you can clock the memory a bit more now that only 2 controllers are being used.

I'd imagine it uses the same PCB with some memory modules missing.

Its basically the same configuartion as the GTX450 desktop card but with a lower voltage and clocks at this point.

The 5850M I have will eat it alive.

 

There is no way to overcome the 460m with a 5850m, even with 1GB VRAM. Recently I bought at best buy the version with the G53 i5 sandy bridge and 460m 1gb. In the benchmark score of 13520 got the 3d mark 2006 and 7130 in 3d mark advantage. So the gtx 460m remains outstanding and much better than 5850.

 

For an additional $100(maybe less: due to tax that you have to pay when you buy from BB)

You get a G53Sw from Newegg with Bluetooth, 6GB 1333Mhz DDR3 Ram, 1.5GB Vram, and an i7-2630QM Processor. All for $1,200.

Edit: Oh, and also a 1920 x 1080 Full HD Monitor.

 

Result

5850 is a step up on the 460M 1GB.

 

The 5850 is a very good card if you think that the 5870 which is higher clocked can leave the 1.5GB GTX behind I do not doubt the 5850 would do so as well.

This would always depend on the speed of the memory being used because the 1GB GTX GDDR5 could give the GDDR3 5850 a run for its money but the GDDR5 version of the 5850 would beat it.

Personally I would not go for such a low bandwidth from a GDDR5 1GB GTX especially as the 5870 has exactly the same memory and bandwidth but produces 40% more power with it.

 

Most 5850/5870 cards (GDDR5) are at 1000mhz mem clocks. This gives 64GB/sec bandwidth:



The 460M 1GB is REALLY going to start hurting at 1080p.

 

Proof?
Could you post a screenshot of the 3d06 score of 13520 with gtx460m 1GB ?
Even with i7 processor on G73sw with Best Buy LIMITED GTX 460m 1GB, I could only get 8xxx points on 3d06.. No way over 10000 !!

 

Wow what a sucker! You actually bought that G53 best buy version without even doing any kind of research? LMAO

 

Check his sig he returned it and what a replacement he has on the way.

Ordered: M17xR3 / 1080p / 6970M
Returned: ASUS G73SW-BST6 BBversion.. Stay Away

 

I thought it was a typo in the 460m at best buy. The i5, 4gb ram and resolution (I have a monitor of 22) were fine for me. As I do not live in the USA I could not return the laptop. Anyway, it works very well and till now there is nothing that I was limited. I played crysis 1366x768 with everything on enthusiast and 4x antialiasing with an average of 26-28 fps which was good for me.

results: 3dmark 06
Result
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3dmark vantage
Result

 

The Sandy is going to give you that high a 3Dmark06 score and the Vantage score of 7100 is more a good enough view of how badly the 1GB GTX provides its power. Just awful that I can get 1500 more vantage points with my old JH with the slowest I7 at stock.

It may be ok now but the GTX 460 should be future proofing your new laptop with a sandy bridge and clearly its not the fact you get that low a FPS at that res for crysis 2 which is not that demanding. I can run it on advanced at 1080P and get 35-40FPS, 25-30FPS at extreme.

 

I know. I feel deceived by best buy ...
But we should not forget that the 5870m with a good margin exceeds the 460m 1.5gb. Therefore, it is far from 1gb VRAM.

If I had not bought the g53sw would have bought a M11X or m14x. Seeing so I resign, because among these options within my budget with the asus is the best performance. And try not to think I could have picked a better G53 ...

 

I always say I try not to regret what I spend my money on because at the end of the day you gotta better deal with your laptop than the hundreds of pounds I spent on Microsoft points when playing FIFA.

Its best buys fault not yours they are very clever in deceiving shoppers but they do themselves no favours by cheating customers who wont buy from them again.

 

If you are a Silver Premier member, you have 45 days of No Questions Asked return policy on all purchases at Best Buy. You could return it and get a better model elsewhere.

 

not much of a difference tho between gfx score of 6858 and my 7006

 

However, that 150 3DMarks loss is due to the 20 GB Bandwidth LOSS on the 1 GB card over the 1.5 GB. A 20GB bandwidth bonus can be significant at times.

 

I thought Best Buy removed the restocking fees on notebook computers as of Dec 2010 even from regular non silver members?

 

hi all, i buy g73sw-bst from my local reseller 2 weeks ago. i test my rigs, and found out my 3d mark 06 score is only 13400. first, i think it was bcos of driver. update driver to 267.76. and still the same..

and after overclock it can only reach 15.500.. compared to another g73sw with gtx 460m 192 bit installed which can reached to 16000+ according to 3dmark 06 result in 3dmark.com

 

Exactly, because you have the BST SW version which gives you the 128bit 1GB version of the 460 GTX its a total scam, it does not give the same power as the 192bit 1.5GB version you mention and this entire thread explains why.

The 128bit version is a much slower card, 40GB/s vs 60GB/s bandwidth because of the smaller memory bus. The GPU is a massive bottleneck in that system and was out of date a year ago when the 5870M was released and blows it away with 64GB/s. If you want to game and keep gaming at high settings 1080p for the next few years then take it back.

 

its kinda dissapoiting bcoz i wait for this version, for about a month.. bcos of sandybridge defect. so this card is out of date? its kinda annoying they use out of date card on revised version of g73sw sandybridge

i dont know how much this will affect my gaming.. i've play crysis 2 with OC. and can get hybrid extreme-high settings.. with 35-40 fps. but if i pump "particles" to extreme. fps drop to 30fps and sometimes 25fps..

i wonder if "true gtx 460m 192bit" can get all settings to extreme with 2x AA and still got 40fps+ with OC?

i hope this 128 bit card is not slow in other games ( having -500 score difference with 192 bit in 3dmark 06 >> 13400 vs 14000 )

 

No it cant the 5870M is more powerful than the actual 460 GTX and even with an overclock I can only run extreme without AA around 32-36Fps max.

Sorry to say that you will suffer performance wise in other games as well because of the decrease in performance I would not like to see how it handles the Witcher 2 when it comes out , the Sandy is a great CPU but is massively bottlenecked by the GPU overall the JH will run games a lot better than the SW-BST version can.

The laptop overall is very good but not worth it for future proofing gamers, this post is here for a reason to prevent people being left done over by BEST BUY and its not the first time either.

 

If it were a typo, it would not be on ASUS website for this systems specs... You kids need to think....

@ stock clocks.. I got 13958 on 3dmark06..

 

His reply was posted 2 months ago when the SW was just starting to be released so that is why he said this as then it was all new information.

Personally I would have said the same thing because you couldn't in your right mind actually think Best Buy would be this utterly stupid. They proved us wrong again.

 

The two main reasons I did not go with bestbuy was because Asus would not honor the long warranty and their pathetic GPU was 1gb not 1.5. And if im not mistaken, their res. is 1600x900... i could be wrong on that though.. Best buy may have that new buy back plan.. But they lost my business for good long ago. Frys and newegg took my business.. lol

 

I honestly don't think that extra 500GB of VRAM is going to significantly help you. The performance ceiling of the GTX460M (which is an underclocked GTS 450) would be reached long before the VRAM limit is reached.

 

Actually, no. AMD gets away with lower memory bandwidth because they use GDDR5, when Nvidia was still on GDDR3. Now that Nvidia is on the same page, wider memory bandwidth doesn't really help your performance unless at high resolution (1920 x 1080 and up). But again, the chip's performance ceiling would be reached before memory bandwidth becomes a problem.

 

eyecandy..lol

i see.. i think i push this card too much. hoping to fluently run all games in maximum graphic

glad to hear that. it seems my downgrade gtx 460m doesn't suffer watered effect too much

 

in crysis 2 . extreme post processing add more bloom and light effects, and particles add more rocks during explosion..