Guide to flash 9800m GS to GTS

I just wanted to let you guys know that I have been doing a bunch of gaming: Sup Com: Forged Alliance, Fallout 3, Left 4 Dead, Unreal Tournament 3: Black and a few more games without a single crash due to the GTS flash. Solid as a rock!

 

i just tried to overclock with systemtools 6.03 from nvidia.. 560-1400-800 and i got a 3rdmark06 error:

IDirect3dVertexBuffer9:Lock failed: n/a (unknown)

anyone knows what that means?

@edit:
i think you can OC without highering the volt..
i already flashed with 560-800-1400 (But flash with 1.1V) and the 3dmark test run much better than with normal voltage..
so propably i should flash to 1.1 V and OC with nvidia tools then? Think nothing can happen as 1.1V are save? what do u guys think?

 

i dotn get this overclocking at all

not i tested it step by step..
i went to 555 + 1400 and the test worked..
after a 2nd test it didn´t worked anymore.. i went down to 550-1380 and it worked.. as i tried 550-1390 it didnt so i went back to 550-1380.. guess what now it doesnt work anymore.. before the test ran normally..
oh man i rly dont get this.. i mean 550-1380 isn´t much more than standart .. ?

my plan was to figure out the max settings with standart voltage.. then go on the gts voltage and check if i get the flickering.. if yes -> lower voltage until it stops and there trying to find the max clocks... if gts voltage works , i thought about finding the max clocks there.

But it seems as i cant even overclocks + 1mhz .. ing ridicilous rly -.-

@edit:

kay max seems to be so far:
550-1370-800 tested @standart voltage (1.05 i guess)
3dmark06 score (with cpu @max mode = 2.8ghz) = 8690.. standart for me was 8400

i will test out how high i can put the voltage (max voltage i will try is the gts one) and on that voltage i will try again max clocks.. and this value will be the one i can overclock with and will

@edit2:
gts voltage + 550-800-1370 works so far.. i will run a whole test now cause i want to see if just the higher voltage gives any boost. Will post score soon :>
then i will try to get the highest clocks for this voltage

The way i overclock for this tests:
flashing NEWBIOS.rom (the gts bios) with changed gpu clocks (so the mhz is the standart gs ones but i have higher voltage)
for the higher clocks i use NVIDIA - system tools 6.03 which is rly great as it allows you just to overclocks when you run a chosen app or when the gfx card is at 100% usage only.

@edit3:
score with same speed but voltage @1.1 gives me: 8710 (20points more ).. so there is no real difference. Will check my max clocks now at 1.1V

@edit4:
575-800-1425 @1.1V works fine
score @3dmark06: 8900 (before 8400)
Temp: max was 80C

I will try 570-1450-800 now and check if i get a better score.. cause i found out if u decrease the core with 5mhz, you can increase the shader ALOT.. so i wonder if this will give me more points.. if yesi t should be better?

@edit5:
570-800-1625 - score: 8962
575-800-1425 - score: 8895

So lower core + higher shader = more score. but is that also better for gameing?

 

What everyone keeps failing to listen to me about is just because you put your card at a speed does not mean it is running at that speed.

550-1380 is not a valid selection, and dont get me wrong this is not directed at you but to EVERYONE who thinks they know how to overclock GPU.

Neither are
570-800-1625 - score: 8962
575-800-1425 - score: 8895

You see better score with lower clock because the clock for both of those are running @ 571.... It does not change as your values are to close to a stepping. The shader is all that really changed.

GPU have set steppings they follow. Even if you flash it to a speed thats not the actual speed it will run, regardless of what GPU-z says or anything else. GPUz reads what the bios is flashed at and what its requesting to run at but not actual clock speed.

You will need another program to find actual clock speed. As I have said I so far only found the EVGA Precision to show this. This program is also an overclock program but that function wont work because it reads the wrong values. But on the left side it will show you its actuall running speeds. So you can see that picked one speed may or may not change the clocks, or that picking one may change them a lot more than you want.

So 550-1380 may actually be 567 1400... as I dont think 1380 or 550 are valid steps, it goes to the next highest one...

Its crazy how many people are missinformed on this GPU overclocking. We have 3 or 4 posts going about the 9800M and thats just nuts.

I know we are all here to share and learn but the same things are being asked and said across all the posts.

The only 3 speeds myself I have tried and know are valid are (stock), 567 and 571 on the core... The shader is much more limited on its jumps. I think it goes from stock to 1400 to 1450 or 1425 I forgot which. So anything around those numbers other than those numbers will cause it to really run at one of those numbers.

So people who have problems changing a few Mhz may not change the speed at all, or may change it a lot depending what the jump is.

Anyway just wanted to share this again... Everyone who does not believe me please install that program and see for yourselfs... This has been verified many times by the makers of video cards if you ask the right person. Its just how the cards are made, I dont know if it holds true for ATI but I know 100% this is how nvidia cards work.

Good luck!

 

well dont know if this clocks are wrong or not.. it gives me the highest possible 3dmark06 score which is close to 9k

 

with the stock voltage on a g50vt-x1 the processor at 2.5ghz and gpu at 575/800/1450 as read by EVGA precision

at my screens max res
9600 3d marks

cant really try 1280x1024 dont have an external monitor

 

This annoys me so much because I have higher clocks and only 9516 *shakes fist*

EDIT: Just pushed the memory to 850MHz and got 9,606. Still.... *shakes fist*

 

now i wonder what do we have different... ill look into it, why i have higher numbers on lower clocks

 

LOL

Same here!!!!

 

I selected Balanced as opposed to Performance for the DOX drivers, dunno if that makes that much of a difference.

 

be happy that u can get 9500.. i cant get more than 9k ..

 

Just tried turning my shader clock to 1550, didn't work too well. Temp in FurMark shot from 85C to 94C and I started seeing some artifacts.

EDIT: Setting the shader clock back to 1500 and running the memory at 900MHz doesn't artifact, but also Furmark's at 93/94C, which is well beyond my comfort zone. I think I'm maxed-out when it comes to GPU overclocking.

 

i think the reason for artifacts + high temp is because the ratio of core:shader isn´t correct..
i put core to 560
i with shader 1460 everything is fine.. at 1470 i get artifacts.. at 1440 i get artifacts too.. everything between that is fine.. aslong as i dont change the core speed

btw do u guys think i can higher the voltage (atm @1.1).. cause i think with higher voltage i could overclock to gts speed.. or propably more.
with 1.1 the max i can use is:

570-850-1465 = 9100 points @3dmark06

@edit:
tavara used 1.15 to get 10000@3dmark.. if i use 1.15 i think i could reach the gts speed..
1.05 volt max: 550-800-1370
1.1 Volt max: 570-850-1465
1.15 volt max: ???.. should i try?

 

Not sure, I'm a bit nervous to push the voltage beyond 1.11 myself.

 

well my temps are not a problem at all.. after 3 test i get 80C and tavara is up to 90C i think. Also i wouldn´t care that much if i could run gts speed.. but i can´t and it looks like the problem is that my volts are too low.. as temp is no problem and until now higher voltage gave me higher overclocking.

tavar says he runs it with that overcloking since 7.01

 

9,701 on 3dMark @ 1366x768 with my 900MHz video memory, though I'm probably not going to keep it as it simply gets too hot..

 

well i did select performance when i installed the drivers maybe it does make a difference all though it aint much cause if i benchmark several times not always i get 9600 ive been getting 9568 and around those numbers, and 93xx if i dont overclock the cpu

EDIT: btw i have a "cheap" extra cooling i put 2 case fans behind the laptop and its lifted at an angle so the fans blow air under it with this it lowers my temp a total of 5 degrees so not much but helps max temps were around 90-92 (depending on the ambient temp) on 3dmark and now if i turn on the fans max temp is 84-86C so they help a bit to keep it under 90, on games max temp is 84C i noticed that if i keep moving while in game the temp is actually lower that if i just stay put with the same image on screen for some odd reason...

 

memory at 900mhz? i always thought OC the memory can crash the system.. but i think i will give it a try.. my temps are rly low :> .. yesterday i had only 78C after 2 tests

 

My max temp. on 1.15v is 81C

 

anyone want to help me flash my card? lol i just need a quick walk through just to make sure i dont mess up anything... i can pm you my cell phone number if anyone wants to help me i would greatly appreciate it lol...i have everything downloaded and ready to go =)

 

Just wanted to add in to the discussion. First and foremost, thanks for the great guide - I finally took the plunge, and so far the results have been good. I managed to get my G50VT-X1, to GTS speeds - running on DOX 182.05. I did a couple of tests to test the stability with 3dmark06, and I haven't had any problems so far. I've only been able to test the new clock speeds on 1 game, for about 5 mins - without any issues. But, I had 10 or more tests on
3dmark06, and everything looked stable. I've got my fingers crossed .

Now, after doing so, I wanted to see if I could get a little more juice out of my processor. I installed setFSB, got the right PLL numbers set in, and started to push the sliders. I got to 2.55 Ghz, w/ wprime 32m test giving a result of close to 30 seconds. But, when I tried to run 3DMark06, I instantly got an error saying the device had stopped responding (something of that sort). I could get up to 2351 Mhz, with 3dMark06 running, but anything beyond that would just give me an error. Anyway, just wanted to see if there were any other ways I could go about this? I didn't change the PCI-e speeds, I kept pushing the FSB upto 280 and so on. I'm not sure if raising the bus speed, raises the entire system (including pci-e)? Should I underclock a bit and try it again? I was even thinking about reflashing my old bios on there, and checking to see if I could overclock to about 2.6? Although, I'm not sure which would give me a better performance gain.
Thanks for any help in advance .

P.S My 3dmark06 scores actually went down with the DOX 182.05 drivers, although I'm not sure about in-game perf. I did do a clean reinstall with drivesweeper, and installed the new physx drivers.

G50VT-X1
P8400 2.26 Ghz
9800GS (GTS flashed 600-1500-800)

 

so whats your score on 3dmark06? do one on 1366x768 so we can compare...

 

FIRST OF ALL, thanx Jade87 for the phone walk through...that was way easier than I thought! you sir, have earned some rep!

my gpu hit 90c when i ran 3dmark but i expected that with dox's drivers. with 179.48 i top out at 86c while gaming long periods of time.

i got a 9801 in 3dmark06 but thats at the stock res of the free version 1280x768..but just to give you a comparison, before the flash i got 9293 with the same dox driver and settings...so overall I got a 508 point increase.

Im gonna try 179,48 because those run cooler for me and compare before and after flash scores and ill let you know.

THANX AGAIN!!!

 

There's no way you should be getting errors at that low a speed, I don't think you're using the right PLL. Try ICS9LPR604AGLF

 

Thanks for your reply. As far as I can tell, I used ICS9LPR604AGLF. I got this PLL number from another thread here at nbreview. Although, some have had excellent results (as far as 2.9), I can't seem to find a way to get them to settle on on even 2.4 Ghz. I've read that this particular error occurs when the video driver crashes, so I'm gonna go ahead and try and roll back to 179.48, and seeing if that works.

 

ok i dont know whats different but i get 9760 @ 1280x768 with the following overclocks
570mhz which actually runs at 571 so its 571/800/1450 and the cpu with the OC from the asus utility so 2.5ghz and here is the screen shots:

9760 3dmark06:


gpuz with the speeds:


and evga precision which someone here said reads the correct speeds and it does:


i want to know how it is im getting the scores im getting to reproduce the results on other g50vt-x1's because i honestly dont know, all ive done is sweep the drivers like explained, installed the DOX drivers (performance), install nvidia system tools, type in 570/800/1450 select load on windows startup, open up direct console and select turbo extreme, and benchmark with 3dmark thats about it, gpu is on stock voltage

 

Useless post

 

i got a driver stopped working error on cod4 with the dox drivers at GTS speed/flash...

so far im testing 179.48 and its working fine so far with the flash... I go a 700 point increase on these drivers with the flash as comparared to the 500 on dox's drivers..

Anyone else with X1's got a succesfull GTS flash and if so what drivers are you using?

 

Anyone tried this on the g71g-a2 series?

 

lol how the hell can u get such good scores with that clocks?
i got 2.8ghz and gfx: 570-850-1465 and i hit 9000points with 3dmark

u got 9700 with lower clocks?! oO
also got the same driver.. dox @performance

@edit: my voltage is at 1.1.. else i couldn´t clock that high

 

LOOK resolution 1280X768

 

ahh lol

 

A lot of people are using that res to compare because they don't have external monitors, Tavara.

 

tavara do u have gta IV ? cause i my gfx gets 85C while playing it.. and gta is rly the most ressources needed game atm i think. Would like to know which temps u get. think i wont go higher.. 85C Is enough i think?

 

I don't have it

 

kay np.. i think i will stay at this clocks.. i could for sure get gts speed or better @1.15 .. but as you are the only one here with this voltage i would like to see more ppl and their experience first.. also 3dmark06 test doesnt rly show me the highest temps.. as i said if u play gta IV u rly see what the temps will be under 100% usage .. and 85 is already pretty high (after 3x 3dmark = 80C)

 

its not useless, im comparing my scores to SCE_Sobek which has the same exact hardware and stating that i get only 41 points less and im not potentially voiding my warranty for those who dont want to risk that, and i posted how i did it almost step by step, i used that resolution because he is using the same resolution so i can compare my score directly with his thats all... maybe we are all off topic here as this is a gs to gts flash guide thread

 

Well, I finally got DirectConsole 2.0 running (thanks to a few other threads around here). I'll be testing the GTS speeds @ 2.5Ghz, and post the results. So far, the DOX drivers have been working great. Although, the Crysis demo that I downloaded, seems to be a huge hog on the system (I'm sure the regular version w/ tweaks will be fine). I also did a 30 minute flight in FSX, and everything seemed ok. Temperatures on the GPU never exceeded 73 C (although 3dmark06 gets it up to 80-81C)

Well, for all the X1 owners out there, if you are willing to take your card for a GTS test drive, I say go for it. There is a good chance that you'll be able to run it. I'll keep you guys posted, as I do some more testing with my
fingers - x.

 

I played Age of Conan today and it got my GPU up to 88c on 567/1400/799 @ 1.05v.

I tried to up my memory to 828 (which is the next actual jump) and it started to freak out. If I up the shader anymore it goes nuts, and if I up the core to 571 which is the next jump I get driver errors... If I up the voltage to 1.11v I think I can get a little bit out of shader but core still freaks out. I wont bother to up voltage though for a few shader alone. Not worth the extra stress even if its minor.

But thought the temps seemed intresting.... That was in a 79f house though... Normally its like 72-75 and I get about 86c.

I am running a P9600 w/ artic silver 5. I didnt change it though on anything but CPU as dont wana void my warranty. (My CPU didnt have a warranty sticker, haha and the AS5 looks the same as their paste, its gray)

Anyway, cant wait to find a way to get ahold of a GTX 260 and drop it in this bad boy, lol... My lower power CPU should make up for the extra 10watt that sucker uses. wonder how many bills it will cost, lol

But I dont know why everyone feels that the whole model of the G50 matters.. Be it X1 A1 B1 X5 A2 or whatever, they all have the EXACT same parts hardware wise with the exception of DVD rom, some are missing bluetooth and some have a diffrent CPU... The motherboard, GPU and all that stuff is the same... and we know CPU wont affect the GPU OC so its just luck of the draw, some get GPU from good batch, others like me get bad ones that cant handle much of any OC... In the end we cant be mad, we got good bang for our buck from the get go.

 

was thinking hte same thing Bryanu. would love to see if the GTX 260 can fit in a G50vt.

i wonder how hot those things are. i really want the extra shaders, that would kick crysis fair in the nads

 

I know they would fit and they should run the same temps maybe even cooler BUT the heatsink MAY not fit right depending on chip locations on the card.

 

Bryanu, how do you figure out the logical increases for each value? What's next for the core after 600MHz? Was thinking about trying one more and see if it's stable.

 

Imho, the people with 25W CPUs should be able to get the best overclocks. They have less of a power draw and less heat output, both of which should help.

 

You have to use a program that will read the ACTUAL running times.
Their is some formula that will let you calculate the steps but I forgot where I seen it before.
So as a result you have to change the speed, than run a program to read the "actual" speeds. The one I like to use is the EVGA program I listed a few posts back.

I would tend to agree but the downside is also that because the CPU makes less heat the fan does not come on as soon causing GPU temps to be a tad higher.

The fan seems to be tied into both the GPU and CPU but the CPU normally gets the fan to kick in before the GPU, but with the lower power CPU it seems the other way around.

To me it seems my GPU temps went up by going from my T9400 to a P9600 but my CPU temps went down.

But either way I guess its got to be better for the notebook as psu needs to make less power thus less heat and also less power for the mb to handle.

I hope someone comes with a fan mod soon so we can control the fan or something. The cooling seems good but could be better... Asus should have put the vent in the back so the GPU heat didnt have to travel so far to get out.

 

2 questions...

1. Will this reduce significantly the lifetime of the GPU?
2. When installing rivatuner the Vista Home Premium blocked a driver installation, is this a problem?

 

the answer to #2 is yes it is a problem, there is a command you can type in to disable the driver checks but ill edit the post later because cant find it right now

edit: type run in your search on the start button
then on the run type in .. Bcdedit.exe - set no integritychecks ON
or Bcdedit.exe /set no integritychecks ON

if that doesnt work for you then just hit f8 on boot and select disable driver check option

 

what r you guys temps increasing by with the flash?

I have a g50vt-x1 with the 179.48 drivers and my temps raised 3-4 degrees with the flash.

Im just trying to get an idea of how normal the increase is so please post your laptop model and driver along with your temp increase after the flash.

thanx

 

G50VT-X1
DOX 182.05
600/1500/800

Previous temps at GS speeds : 74-76C, depending upon the room temperature, etc. The highest I had seen it ago was about 80C on 3dmark06.
With GTS speeds: 78-79 in game, highest I've seen it go has been about 81C so I'm fairly happy.

I'm sure those temperatures are going to increase over summer, and also over the years (w/ proper cleaning of course, that maybe unlikely)
Anybody got a cooling pad under their G50VT ? It would be nice to see some results w/ a cooling pad attached.
Cheers!

 

ok so the 3-4 degree increase is normal.. how about scores?

I cant compare my 3dmark06 score to you guys cuz i have the cheap version that only lets you run 1280x780 or whatver but I can tell you I get about a 500 point increase with the flash...both drivers (182.05 and 179.48)

 

This guide worked perfectly on my g50vt x5. I just bought this computer 3 days ago, and the hardware is working great. w/o the bios flash I was getting 8800 in 3dmark (w/ turbo mode on the cpu).

Now that I have flashed the bios, my 9800m gs is getting me almost 9500 marks!
I wonder if I can OC it further now. I will test the temps first though and get back to you.

btw, i used 179.30 instead of the drivers you recommended (which gave me over 100 less marks).