Guide to flash 9800m GS to GTS

Remember the 18x.xx drivers have MUCH better performance over the 17x.xx in actual games so really 3dmark has no bearing over real world performance from driver to driver. Run video game benchmarks instead of 3dmark if you want to see in game performance.

 

I disagree here. I benchmarked crysis warhead in running each of the two drivers:

This is all mainstream settings except objects on gamer.

(with 179.30)
DirectX 9.0c GAMER 3X @ Map: ambush @ 0 1366 x 768 AA 0xx
==> Framerate [ Min: 15.90 Max: 37.30 Avg: 28.21 ]

(With the DOX 18x.xx drivers you had in the original post)
DirectX 9.0c GAMER 3X @ Map: ambush @ 0 1366 x 768 AA 0xx
==> Framerate [ Min: 13.13 Max: 25.45 Avg: 19.34 ]

The difference is significant for me here. Also, if you look at the forum where dox released his driver, he says it is NOT made to support the GS

I wonder if anyone else could do a similar benchmark. My drivers are here http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=23342

 

When you installed the DOX drivers where presented with three optimization options (quality, balanced and performance) you need to select performance for it to achieve better results.

In my case when I selected quality, my benchmarks suffered a tremendous blow, dropping more than 700 3DMark06 points.

Cheers,
RayanMX

 

I'll benchmark Warhead on DOX 182.05, 179.48 beta, and your 179.30 by tomorrow.

 

You know what I noticed, argyle? My SM2.0 score in 3dMark is a fair bit higher than yours, but your SM3.0 score slightly edges mine.

I wonder if the DOX drivers sacrifice some SM3.0 performance when used with the 9800M GS...

 

Hmm, well I reinstalled dox, this time using driverweeper. It makes a huge difference. I am now getting equivalent 3dmarks in with each driver (i've got the both up to 9,600).

Dox, however, is no giving me a huge boost in crysis warhead:

DirectX 9.0c MAINSTREAM 1X @ Map: ambush @ 0 1366 x 768 AA 0xx
==> Framerate [ Min: 28.15 Max: 51.16 Avg: 38.65 ]


DirectX 9.0c ENTHUSIAST 1X @ Map: ambush @ 0 1366 x 768 AA 0xx
==> Framerate [ Min: 12.81 Max: 23.19 Avg: 18.64 ]
Check out that enthusiast rating D: (though it is dx9).

So when using DOX, you MUST use driversweeper.

I also have a huge boost in mirrors edge with dox, and am now running at all highest settings, w/physx, and 2xaa. I never drop below 50 fps.

I am pretty happy as I am getting gts/gt scores now



Also, is anyone else using the dox drivers getting your card incorrectly recognized? I am using a 9800m gs (obviously), but my card now reads as a 9800m gt. Not that it seems to matter.

 

The first time I installed DOX 182.05, it read my card as a 9800M GT. The second time I installed the same package, it read my card as a 9800M GS, and specifically recognized it as Asus. Dunno what the deal is.

 

I really want to overclock my coming G50Vt-X3. I have downloaded DOX182.05, the BIOS you posted, driversweeper... But I have some question before starting to practice it on my G50Vt.
1/ The battery of G50Vt is really poor. So that overclock the card (and overvolt too) will low down the battery use time? I want my battery be able to perform as long as possible.
2/ I'm in Vietnam, so the temperature here is higher than yours. The room is usually nearly 30 Celcius. Will the card become overheat here?
3/ And can I use NVIDIA nTune to overclock my whole computer (use "fine tuning" option), instead of using BIOS and DirectConsole. I think nTune will be a great option if possible, because I can switch between profiles.

 

If you don't use driver sweeper and completely kill all the old nvidia files before you install DOX you are going to have performance problems. If you are installing DOX over DOX you don't need to do it. I got that info from the man himself.

For me the DOX drivers have made L4D and Fallout 3 much more playable with everything cranked up to the max. Maybe I will check out the latest official nvidia mobile drivers and see what the performance is like.

Oh, hey guys if you like my guide give me some rep!

 

but how exactly do u uninstall the old driver? when starting windows it automatically installs some nvidia driver.. u cant stop that

 

Okay, so I'm going through the Crysis Warhead benchmarks now. I'm using DirectX10 @ 1366x768 resolution, no AA, with GAMER settings. 3 loop run, on Ambush. System is set up exactly as in my sig. EDIT: Decided to include DX9 runs from 179.48 on, as well.

First, I'm going to benchmark a DOX 182.05 Performance installation with NO driver sweeper (mix that in with the results as well), then I will be running 179.48 with driver sweeper, 179.30 with driver sweeper, and finally DOX 182.05 Performance with driver sweeper. Will update this post as I progress.

DOX 182.05 Performance(No Driver Sweeper)

DirectX 10 GAMER 3X @ Map: ambush @ 0 1366 x 768 AA 0x
==> Framerate [ Min: 15.53 Max: 30.69 Avg: 23.06 ]

Nvidia 179.48 beta Notebook Drivers (w/ sweep)

DirectX 10 GAMER 3X @ Map: ambush @ 0 1366 x 768 AA 0x
==> Framerate [ Min: 12.03 Max: 27.03 Avg: 18.34 ]
DirectX 9.0c GAMER 3X @ Map: ambush @ 0 1366 x 768 AA 0x
==> Framerate [ Min: 19.50 Max: 37.88 Avg: 28.48 ]

(Asus?) 179.30 Drivers (w/ sweep)

DirectX 10 GAMER 3X @ Map: ambush @ 0 1366 x 768 AA 0x
==> Framerate [ Min: 11.85 Max: 26.44 Avg: 18.62 ]
DirectX 9.0c GAMER 3X @ Map: ambush @ 0 1366 x 768 AA 0x
==> Framerate [ Min: 18.58 Max: 37.09 Avg: 28.46 ]

DOX 182.05 Performance (w/ sweep)

DirectX 10 GAMER 3X @ Map: ambush @ 0 1366 x 768 AA 0x
==> Framerate [ Min: 16.05 Max: 31.39 Avg: 23.54 ]
DirectX 9.0c GAMER 3X @ Map: ambush @ 0 1366 x 768 AA 0x
==> Framerate [ Min: 17.74 Max: 39.03 Avg: 30.00 ]

Seems like the DOX 182.05 are still the significantly better option. 23fps is much more playable than 18fps (though I probably wouldn't be using DX10 anyway). Driver Sweeper produced a marginal improvement in the test between the two DOX runs.

 

This is definitely where driver sweeper shines, I just gained 400+ points.

New 3dMark06 scores:

10,082 @ 1366x768
10,431 @ 1280x720

 

What were the specifics? I am curious to know whether our cards are performing equally and your cpu is giving you the boost, or whether your card is better than mine

 

I still have the screen from the 1280x720 run...

 

Go to the laptopvideo2go forums and read the comments for the DOX vista 64 threads they have great benchmarks which clearly show that DOX drivers have a better average frame rate than any official nvidia drivers; althoguh no one has done Crysis, but you have to realize that most people aren't playing Crysis on their laptops. The DOX drivers do wonders for WiC, CoH, Source games, Unreal Engine 3 Games and much much more.

If you are going to use DOX drivers and have a previous version on non-DOX drivers on your computer you WILL NOT GAIN the performance increase if you do not install it correctly using driver sweeper in safe mode after uninstalling the previous set then restarting and installing them. Many people do not do this and then complain that DOX doesn't give them better performance. The DOX drivers once installed correctly improve laptop gpu stability, performance and have many tweaks and bug fixes that the official drivers do not have; the 182.05 set also allow for better overclocking when compared against most other drivers which has been confirmed time and time again.

I have updated my OP with this information and some other usefull stuff.

 

correct install is:
safe mode -> driver sweeper -> bb driver
normal windows restart (not in safe mode now) -> install dox

yes? cause after the reboot into normal windows it will automatically install some nvidia driver

 

Boot into safe mode, uninstall your video drivers, then run driver sweeper. After that, you can boot back into normal mode.

Without the leftover nvidia files still hanging around, Windows will detect the card as a "Standard VGA Device". After that, you can install DOX 182.05

 

I just ran GPUZ in the background while I had a 2 hour session of Left 4 Dead and most of the time I was around 86-88C, but for about a quarter of time (the third quarter) it was hovering around 93-94C! Whoa momma! Played without a hiccup though.

Oh and I will add the proper way to install DOX drivers to the OP.

 

Yea, going to 850MHz on the memory raised my temps to around that area. Didn't complain, but I was a little nervous so I dropped it down a bit.

The Crysis benchmarks ran at 85C doing DX10 runs, and 88C doing DX9 runs. Furmark reaches 92C or so.

 

Just updated the OP with a part addressing temperatures. I realize it is a bit scattered, but let me know if it helps you guys and if I can reorganize my thought better

I am still on pain killers and I'm a little fluffy

CA36GTP: RAM on a GPU is the first thing to go and considering 28mhz on it is really going to amount to nothing performance wise I would back it down to 800 and keep it there. Might as well stay safe as even the GTS doesn't have the RAM higher. I was experimenting with 850 fro a while and it was fine until I just had a great session of L4D and it crapped up on me, I flashed it back to 800 and gamed my face off with no troubles. Just a suggestion.

 

dunnow if its was dedected as standart vga device.. i jsut know that i automatically had a nvidia driver in control panels and windows gave me this "new hardware dedected blabla.. installing iit not.. can be used now" .. i´m afraid to uninstall everything now :x this would propably up my physx,performance utilites (from nvidia which i use to overlock) , nhance,nvida updater,... :x

@edit:
850 @memory is rly sucky .. i think thats why GRId didn´t work for me.. i set it to 800 now and its working.. no crashes

 

zakazak: once you find a stable over clock just edit your bios and flash it to the card... there is no point wasting resources on extra programs controlling it for you. Also with the flashed bios you don't have to rely on having your software to OC your card and you can do whatever you like and your OC will always be with you

 

ye i know but performance utilities gives u options such as different overlock for different programms.. like only overclocking if a game runs.. or if temp is > 90C it will downclock or give a popup msg or smth

 

Dude with powermiser your GPU has 3 or 4 stages of clocks depending what you are dong hard coded into your bios and you can set the thermal throttle temp which is defaulted at 110. Everything you want is there!

 

+1 on this. Can someone answer these questions?

 

I finally flashed my card and so far everything works well.

For the above concerns: I live in méxico and my usual temps around here get as high as 40C and I haven't experienced overheating. Sure my card reaches 90C when gaming but I haven't had a problem with it.

Yes, you can overclock with Nvidia tools, but the reason for the flash is to rise the voltage to avoid inestability etc. I used to have my card OC to 580-1500-800 before flashing, because it became unstable in 600 (I believe due to the voltage needed or something).

The battery life is poor overall, but I still get over an hour on normal use in battery saving so it's fine by me. Also remember that when on battery, you use the "battery settings" on your GPU thus reducing required power, so it doesn't really drain much more energy (unless using full power on battery)

You can try it and if you have problems, flash it back to original bios

ah yeah my 3dmark score at 1280x768 is 9773 with CPU at 2.5ghz

I haven't tried OCing further nor I want to for now. When my warranty expires, I am modding this laptop to overclock to GTX280m speeds

 

Threw some Doom 3 at my X1 for the heck of it:

DOOM 3 Internal Benchmark
Ultra High settings @ 1024x768 (no widescreen support)
0xAA: 102fps
2xAA: 102fps
4xAA: 101fps
8xAA: 88fps
16xAA: 50fps

 

i flashed the gfx to 1.1V .. still i use nvidia tools to overclock-- like if i´m on battery no overclock.. or if no game runs.. or different overclock for different games as they maybe make some probs in different games,...

hmm maybe i will flash it completly

 

Have you guys re-read my OP as I have added quite a few things.

CA36GTP: if you go to the wide screen gaming forums they have the trick to get all the old games to run @ wide screen res. I played Doom 3 on 1680*1050!

 

okay i installed the dox driver the right way :>

 

Have you seen an improvement now that they are installed right?

 

Awesome, thanks! That place is a gold mine. I play tons of older games.

 

Glad to have helped!

I used to use it all the time right around when BF2 first came out as a friend and I adopted 22" wide screen LCD monitors before most people had wide screen and tons of games needed to be edited for us to play them; BF2 being one of them!

 

always had it installed liek that so i dunnow smth about the differences

 

New dox drivers 182.46 with GTS clocks

Overall score 9884 at 1280x768 (sorry free version)
SM 2.0 Score 4614
SM 3.0 Score 4544
CPU Score 2229

 

I have a thread on the 182.46 drivers started in the Gaming forum. It cuts 3dMark down by a tiny bit, but my minimum FPS in Crysis benefited significantly.

 

argyle6 what is the most stable oc flash speeds you have found on the g50vt-x5? i have the same machine and would like to know a good place to start and go up from thanks

 

it raised my score by 80 points (which is not much) and knocked down my temp by about 2 degrees =) but i bet you my min fps are higher now and more stable.

<----Happy camper

 

I feel like at this point I've pretty much done what can be done GPU-wise.

Now if only there was a way to unlock the CPU multiplier on these things =(

 

No way to unlock CPU multiplier
only extreme CPU have unlock CPU multiplier and need BIOS supord. G50 series don't supord unlocking CPU multiplier

 

Yea...sucks. It'd probably make for a much better and more stable OC. I'd be able to turn my FSB back down a little bit.

 

I'm sick of having to OC it every time it boots I wish there was a way for it to boot into extreme turbo

 

Not only you

 

tavara whats your voltage to pull that gpu OC?

 

1.15V

 

Could you give me some max temps from a few high profile games? If its good I might give it a go!

 

New 3dMark06 and benchmarks in my sig.

Exo, I'm at 1.15v right now, and I was getting 89C max playing Crysis. Furmark in Xtreme Burn generates 96C max.

 

just flash it and make same test's
p.s. don't use my clocks for me there are fine, but you have to find your's good luck and remember to watch temp like a hawk

 

My max temp i crysis is 84,5C in 3dmark 82C max.Depend of the drivers +_ 2,3C

 

Any case modding or external cooler, tavara? Yours is surprisingly cool for your settings.