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    Pascal ROG Strix GL502/GL702 Thread

    Discussion in 'ASUS Gaming Notebook Forum' started by NBRlurker, Aug 16, 2016.

  1. fvztdk

    fvztdk Newbie

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    Could you please post a picture of how you covered the bottom vents ?
     
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    I just removed the bottom lid and tapped it off from the inside using black Super 33+ isolation tape.
     
  3. link626

    link626 Asus GL502VM, Lenovo Y580, Asus K53TA

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    Interesting. You don't have a hot keyboard while blocking the intake vents at the bottom?

    My keyboard is hottest around the Backspace area during gaming.

    When you block the bottom vents, it only sucks air through the back center area.
     
  4. Coldbird

    Coldbird Notebook Enthusiast

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    I do get a rather hot keyboard, but no different to when the grill wasn't covered.

    The only difference covering the grill made was the reduced package temperature.

    I've recently gotten me one of those kickflip stands, those work wonders as well.
     
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    vesayreve Notebook Evangelist

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    Guys, I will replace the thermal paste for my gl702. Do you know any disassembly manual/video? Its not in the manual and i havent found any specific disassembly for gl702. I am kinda rookie so I dont want to ruin my laptop :/ I have arctic thermal paste. Also, pea or line?
     
  6. Coldbird

    Coldbird Notebook Enthusiast

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    If it's anything like the GL502 it's easy enough.
    Unscrew and remove the fans first, then unscrew the heat sink and just lift it up.

    As for the application method: with regular paste I usually just go with the pea method and let the heat sink pressure take care of even spreading for me.

    If you ever do decide to go liquid metal like Conductonaut you will need to manually spread it all over the CPU/GPU die.
     
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    vesayreve Notebook Evangelist

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    There is some sort of plastic over cpu/gpu. Should i remove it?
     
  8. Coldbird

    Coldbird Notebook Enthusiast

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    Plastic? There was nothing like that in my GL502VM(Z).
     
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    vesayreve Notebook Evangelist

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    There. Can you see? Yellow thing and the dark red plastic sheet
     

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    Coldbird Notebook Enthusiast

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    That's heat-resistant electrical tape, its there to prevent the heatsink from shorting pins.

    If you want to replace it (for whatever reason) do so with something of equal quality, if you need to be cheap Super 33+ isolation tape will do as it can withstand temperatures up to 105°C.

    Generally though, unless you do a repaste with liquid metal you won't be considering swapping it anyway.
     
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    vesayreve Notebook Evangelist

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    Oh okay, it stays then. I was just surprised since it was between heatsink and die. Not gonna touch then. Just clean the old paste
     
  12. Coldbird

    Coldbird Notebook Enthusiast

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    It's okay, if its your first encounter with this then there simply isn't a way you could of known about it beforehand.
    Generally though I must admit that my initial impression of this notebook (GL502VM(Z)) has changed considerably.

    No more hackjobs, no more heat issues, all thanks to a fresh (ASUS OEM free) windows install (to get rid of the fake power-limit throttling they oh-so-kindly bundled) and a liquid metal repaste + vent tape-off on the bottom center to improve the heat-conductivity and airflow.

    This definitely makes this the cheapest GTX 1060 notebook you can pick up that doesn't suck (if you don't mind getting your own hands dirty that is).
     
  13. link626

    link626 Asus GL502VM, Lenovo Y580, Asus K53TA

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    what do you mean power limit throttling? what behavior did you see?

    mine behaves normally, from what i've seen
     
  14. Coldbird

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    While I was using the OEM installation of windows that came with the device I was misled into believing the reason for throttling was a power limit issue, because all monitoring tools reported PL1 and PL2 as the throttling cause when in reality it was a temperature throttling issue.

    It seems ASUS has done something to that windows installation to falsely report PL1 and PL2 instead of setting the thermal throttling bit to confuse customers into believing there was no issue at all.

    That's what I meant.
     
  15. Chewingum

    Chewingum Notebook Consultant

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    Can we expect the 305 BIOS update on the GL502VM and VMK too?

    How is it going on the GL702VM?
    Did anyone see better CPU temps?

    EDIT: 4th question: did anyone tried to overclock his 1060? I'm curious about the limit.
     
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  16. Coldbird

    Coldbird Notebook Enthusiast

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    I haven't messed with overclocking just yet as I haven't found a single game that would have needed more horse power just yet.

    A year or two down the road I might give that a try.
     
  17. Attila Papp

    Attila Papp Notebook Enthusiast

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    For the GL702VM the new bios update made a huge difference regarding fps drops. They're completely gone. The temps have reduced a bit, too. Previously my cpu could go up to 91°C and my gpu to 86°C. Now with this update both hover around 82°C (fully stock).

    With -130 mV uv on the cpu + turbo disable, and a little bit of gpu uv i am able to achieve temps in the mid 70's without loosing any performance. (I made a comprehensive test regarding which combination is the best).

    I also made a keyboard shortcut to quickly enable/disable turbo, so when i'm not gaming i am not loosing that extra clock speed :D When i start the game i press ctrl + F11 to disable turbo and when i exit ctrl + F12. It is very convenient.

    EDIT: some words of wisdom, regarding uv
     
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  18. Coldbird

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    Since my repaste I no longer need to limit myself to non-turbo speeds thankfully, but regardless, it might be nice if you could share your hotkey scripts so other people can benefit from the thermal cool down you describe.
     
  19. Attila Papp

    Attila Papp Notebook Enthusiast

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    I will make a short tutorial

    EDIT: What's interesting that disabling turbo doesn't seem to affect performance in games, at all. I came to the conclusion that it's useful in desktop applications but completely useless in games.
     
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    1. Create a power plan with disabled turbo (as described by @Coldbird here you can save your modified profile in the left menu)
      [​IMG]
    2. Download these cmd scripts
    3. Enter powercfg l to cmd to find out your plan's GUID. To me it looks like this:
      [​IMG]
    4. Substitute the X's in the downloaded cmd files with your guid and change their extensions to .cmd
    5. Create a shortcut to these to cmd files and add a shortcut key (right click on the new shortcut -> properties -> Shortcut key..) Set it to the keys you would like to use, I choose: Ctrl+F11 and Ctrl+F12
      [​IMG]
    6. Click OK and you're done. You can hide these files, if you want.
     
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  21. Chewingum

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    Wow, I thought the GL702VM had a better cooling solution but maybe I was wrong. I have the GL502VMK and the GPU never goes over 80°C (stock) and CPU goes up to 86°C (stock). While undervolting - 130mV the GPU stays on 70-77°C and CPU between 70-80°C. And that's playing The Division Ultra 50-60fps with room temperature of 30°C (yep, that's right!).

    I also noticed that pushing the fans speed at max (5000rpm) through Gaming Center decreases temps too. I got 70-74°C on GPU and 70-78°C on CPU (same game, same room temp). Is it bad for the fans running at max speed for like 1-2 hours (or in general)?

    I might also consider getting the Coolermaster Notepal U3 for lower temps, but I would like to see if Asus drops a BIOS update for the GL502VMK too. And am curious about the GTX 1060 limits on overclocking. Can't find anything useful on internet :I


    Anyway today I found out that the Windows 10 game bar can break the G-Sync (at least with The Division) and that MSI afterburner makes Gaming Center crash or not even starting.
     
  22. Attila Papp

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    It has the same cooling solution as your laptop, just it wasn't optimized until the new bios update. I very much get the same results as you.

    I can definitely recommend the notepal u3 plus. You can place the fans wherever you want.

    I think your laptop "has already this bios update"
     
  23. Chewingum

    Chewingum Notebook Consultant

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    Mmm... Nope.

    2 updates were available:

    - BIOS 203(GL502VMK)
    Update thermal policy

    - BIOS 300
    update FW

    While the update 305 for the GL702VM clearly states: "Update thermal policy to reduce CPU temperature"

    I think it would be really nice if they can reduce CPU temperature on the GL502VM(K) too, so I won't be forced to undervolt anymore.
     
  24. Attila Papp

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    What i meant by that is, it seems to be already optimized, but who knows
     
  25. Chewingum

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    Well, you went from 91°C to 82°C on stock (CPU), that's like -9°C.
    I still have 86°C on stock (CPU) but I read that other people with the same laptop can go up to 90°C as well.

    I think there's still a good margin to reduce CPU stock temps more, that's why I was asking.
    According to Intel, CPU temps over 80°C are to be considered way "too hot".
     
  26. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    What you've noticed is that for most games CPU isn't as important as GPU.

    Which is why "laptop" CPU's work fine for gaming, while desktop CPU's in a laptop are overkill.

    As long as the GPU is fed quickly enough the rendering load is all on the GPU.

    If you want more detail confirmation install MSI Afterburner / RTSS and display CPU usage (single reading, not for every core, unless you like that).

    Watch the GPU usage and it should be over 90%, mostly 99%, while the CPU is around 30%-50% - so even a non-Turbo CPU can keep up.
     
  27. Attila Papp

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    I knew this, but I wasn't sure if turbo boost utilizes more optimizations (like spreading workload between cores, etc) or just a simple "overlock".
     
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    I've taken a look into the hidden bios settings on the GL502VMZ and it has dozens of hidden CPU and thermal settings one can fine tune.

    I'm a bit too chickened out to mess with them too much but if anyone else wants to try their luck Google for How to unlock hidden BIOS options.
     
  29. Attila Papp

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    Can you please link the guide you followed? It seems like that there are many ways to unlock the hidden options
     
  30. Chewingum

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    Anyone knows if a new laptop usually comes with the stock BIOS version?

    'Cause mine (a GL502VMK) came with the BIOS already updated to v.300. I was still able to register it through MyAsus for the warranty. At first it gave me a error (product already registered) but when I checked it was indeed registered to my account.

    Also, I just did a stress test with 100% CPU usage. Temps just went up to 82°C (not undervolted), it's weird that while gaming (with just 30-45% CPU usage) I get higher temps up to 86°- 90°C. I also noticed that when the CPU is running at 100% my PC freezes for like 2 seconds until the test ends.
     
  31. Attila Papp

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    Mine (gl702vm) came updated, back in January, but I bought it from a smaller shop than amazon (they upgraded my ssd as well)

    The lower temps in stress test might be caused by that you're only stressing the CPU. Games heavily rely on GPU and some CPU power.

    This freeze doesn't seem normal (maybe it occurs when the cpu is throttled?). I suggest to undervolt your laptop, lower temps are very beneficial and uv doesn't affect the performance in a negative way at all.
     
  32. link626

    link626 Asus GL502VM, Lenovo Y580, Asus K53TA

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    certain apps can cause total freeze of pc. Probably poorly coded, or Windows doesn't like it.

    Sometimes Windows itself will freeze up for 10 seconds in a 100% hard drive load, where Task Manager shows 100% load, but it's not actually reading/writing anything.
     
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    For such hardware with freeze's due to intensive app usage, I use Process Lasso.
    https://bitsum.com/changes/processlasso/

    On new high power hardware, maybe less necessary, although I doubt it's a problem to run it.

    On thin laptop hardware with fewer cores, threads, power, Process Lasso could be useful.

    I still have it loaded on a couple of old AMD systems, one with XP and one with Vista, and on both it really does help when I am trying to multitask like I do on newer hardware.

    I still have to wait occasionally for CPU time, but far less often, and it's not locking me out.

    There's a monitor tool that I exit after it starts, but as you are new to it I'd watch it - check on it every few hours and see how many "events" it handles.

    Today it shows I had 3 recent (11 for the last 5 hours) "Probalance Restraints" - those were times I would have noticed the UI lag / snag as a process hogged the resources:

    If after running for a while, a few days through your normal usage, and you don't see any Probalance Restraints showing, you probably don't need it. :)

    But, there are other things that you can do with it, check the documentation.
     
  34. link626

    link626 Asus GL502VM, Lenovo Y580, Asus K53TA

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    Best laptop cooler... box fan. It has attachable legs that raise the fan off the table, so it's perfectly tilted.

    Lowered my gaming temps from 90-99C down to lower 80's.

    IMG_20170614_183908.jpg
     
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    So... about G-Sync. I noticed that the screen flickers when G-Sync is enabled. The flicker consists in a subtle change of brightness while playing. It usually happens on loading screens and sometimes even while gaming, but not on every single game. I tried disabling G-Sync and the flicker disappeared. I have the latest Nvidia drivers installed, 382.53 (can't remember if this happened with the default drivers but I think no). Is this a common issue of all G-Sync panels? I was pretty happy with G-Sync at first cause games looked smoother but this flickering is kinda annoying.

    I also noticed something weird while playing RiME with G-Sync On. I see some green and red grained pixels on the loading screen.

    G-Sync On: http://imgur.com/a/Agsjo
    G-Sync Off: http://imgur.com/a/M3uDn

    And while playing I even noticed an increase of performance with G-Sync On. It's really weird, I don't know how to explain that.
    I took the photo with my phone 'cause I had troubles using RivaTuner and Steam overlay.

    Same area, same settings (ultra with no SSAO)

    G-Sync On (58fps): http://imgur.com/a/5ljrF
    G-Sync Off (40fps): http://imgur.com/a/hPwxC

    So... is it weird that my GL502VMK sold by Amazon was already updated to v.300? Asus support told me it's normal but I don't believe them at all. Should I assume my laptop was used ?(even if it was sealed) Is there a way to find it out?

    EDIT: I also saw that some folders like eSupport and PerfLogs are dated 22 March 2017, while I only got the laptop on 9th June.

    There are also 2 notes dated 22 March called "devlist" and "finish".
    The devlist contains these kind of text (for all devices):

    ACPI\GENUINEINTEL_-_INTEL64_FAMILY_6_MODEL_158_-_INTEL(R)_CORE(TM)_I7-7700HQ_CPU_@_2.80GHZ\_1

    Name: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700HQ CPU @ 2.80GHz

    Driver is running.

    The "Finish" note just contains:

    Finish

    What are those files and why are they dated 22 March 2017?
     
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  36. don_svetlio

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    22.03 was probably the date the laptop was assembled. Mine was bought in September 2016 but the assembly date is February 2016 as well as first boot logs.
     
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    I'm getting the samething! Except in PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds. Its really apparent when I look up in the sky, like a rainbow of colors moving around..

    I hope this gets noticed and corrected in future driver updates.
     
  38. link626

    link626 Asus GL502VM, Lenovo Y580, Asus K53TA

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    yes, blame it on nvidia's half-baked technology. I keep vsync and g-sync turned off.

    I don't need to be limited to 60fps. I don't care about occasional tearing. I like my stuff as fast as possible.
     
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    So... Asus support answered me more specifically this time, saying that my laptop was assembled on March 2017 so it's normal it has already been updated.
    Another customer on Amazon confirmed he found the BIOS already updated too. So I guess everything is fine (except G-Sync tech).
     
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    I'm glad that you could sort it out!
     
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    To all GL502VM owners in this topic (GTX 1060 only).
    Please do me a favor (its for my private research of G-Sync and its inner workings).

    Open the device manager, unfold the Display adapters node, right click the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 device and click on Properties.

    Open the Details tab and in the Property dropdown box pick Hardware Ids.

    Then right-click the topmost line of the Value field (should be something like PCI\VEN_10DE....) and pick Copy.

    Now paste the value in this topic or write a PM to me with the value.
     
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    Here:

    PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1C60&SUBSYS_18001043&REV_A1
     
  43. FastM

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    I replaced the MicroSSD with a Samsung 960 EVO,

    Everything works great after a fresh install of Windows10 but I've lost the Sonic Studio application.

    Honestly its one of those rare sound enhancing softwares that actually worked well.. I don't see it as a separate download on the Asus support page and I've installed every other possible driver/software asus offers.

    any ideas?
     
  44. Chewingum

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    Did you try Asus Install (Installation Wizard)? It's an app installed by default which automatically searches for drivers and Asus software.
     
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    I believe it should be called IcePower, not SOnic Studio, though they may have changed it on the newer models.
     
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    Definitely Sonic Studio II

    Everything I find online says it's supposed to come with the Realtek drivers from Asus's support section for our laptop. There are 2 versions, an old bigger package and an update.

    I've tried removing what I had and reinstall the 2 in order and nothing :-(. I do get some HD Audio thing in the control panel than even has a button to open the sonic studio but nothing happens..

    At this point I still have the original SSD so I'm going to reinstall it, make an image then copy it over to my Samsung evo. I would of rather had a fresh install but for now I'll run it like this.

    At least having a saved image of the factory install I can retry fresh formats in the future and always be able to revert back..

    **EDIT**

    After going back to the stock SSD with the factory image I found the eSupport folder on the C: root. Didn't realize that was there before and as Chewingum mentioned in this thread it has the Asus Install Wiz application (I thought you were referring to the Asus Update app) , when running it low and behold its has the Sonic Studio II install!.
     

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  47. link626

    link626 Asus GL502VM, Lenovo Y580, Asus K53TA

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    heh damn. I thought I didn't have coil whine when I first got this laptop, and now I notice it.
    sounds like an inkjet printer.

    oh well.
     
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    So I just overclocked my GTX 1060 a bit: +240MHz Core Clock and +250MHz Memory Clock.

    Got 5-6 fps more in game and 9-14 fps more in some benchmarks (Kombustor, Unigine Heaven, 3DMark), can't explain the difference yet.
    GPU temps only increased by 1-2°C.

    Honestly I was expecting more (I could get +9 fps with my old gtx 970m in games), but still... it's free performance!

    Curious to see how far can others go overclocking their GTX 1060.
     
  49. Attila Papp

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    What was your final clock speed? Mine goes up to ~1800 Mhz with onjax profile 2.
     
  50. Chewingum

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