Pascal ROG Strix GL502/GL702 Thread

Looks like the one with the 1060 version due to the weight they quoted

EDIT: They did show GL502VS, the 1070 version is under 5lbs/2.3kg?! I thought this one weighed closer to 2.6kg

 

Ugh after obsessing for a week, the GL502VS hits almost all my marks except no Thunderbolt 3 support (need it for future family home dock/workstation building out)...

Any hope that this will be added down the road (17" is just too big for me unfortunately)

 

That and by the sounds of what's happening in previous posts is that it drains both battery and a/c at higher loads. Rather inconsequential since it's allegedly 5% an hour, but still.

 

thunderbolt 3 is so gimmicky right now.

it's gimpware. Nothing works with it currently, and for the near future


If optimus is disabled in the 502VM, I don't see why they couldn't put an hdmi 2.0 port in there.

it has hdmi 1.4, mini dp, thunderbolt 3. What an odd potentially expensive combo of ports.
Those damn usb-c adapters are expensive.

hdmi 2.0 would allow you to hook up a 4k TV at 60hz


Also, the 3 hour battery life suuuuuucks.
It should be possible to switch between gsync and optimus.

You would think Nvidia would have figured out how to make a super low power mode for Pascal.

 

Has anyone experienced issues hooking up a GL502VS to an external monitor or VR? NP8153 owners are experiencing latency issues when they do this, wondering if this is a Clevo/Sager issue or if it affects Asus and other manufacturers as well.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no (or there aren't plans) to release a GL502VM with 16GB of RAM on-board/soldered instead of just 8GB? It's a bummer because I have 3+ year laptop that I wanted to replace soonish and the GL502VM seems an excellent option, but I really wanted to double my RAM, as I usually do when I change laptops.

I'd love to go from the 16GB I have on my current laptop to 32GB, but the maximum I'm able to get on a GL502VM would be 24GB in Flex Mode (not truly Dual Channel).

I know that I could go for the GL502VS but I really don't feel that I need the GT1070M.

 

has anyone tried to super underclock this to see how much battery life they can squeeze out?

 

It's almost the same size as the GL502!!

First look at the STRIX GL702 17" Gaming Laptop


https://www.asus.com/US/Notebooks/ROG-GL702VM/

No GL502VS yet...

 

I have had this laptop for three weeks so I thought I would chime in. I came from a Lenovo Yoga 14 which was lights, had a 2gb 860m chip but did not hold up very well after 1 year of daily use (backlit keys gone, trackpad dead, folding keyboard replaced under warranty).

Anyway, I normally game on a desktop (I run a home built rig with two 980tis in sli to a 4k samsung 40" monitor.) but I was going to be at a corporate suite for 8 weeks, so I decided to get a gaming laptop I could also do work on. Since I am sensitive to keyboards, the only gaming laptops I could test were what Best Buy sold, and the Asus keyboard worked for me. I ordered a gl502 w/970m on a Tuesday night, got the nvidia ad for pascal notebooks the next day and was able to refuse delivery and order a Gl502 with a 1070, 1tb 7400rpm hd, 256fb ssd and 16gb ram.

I grabbed a simple 15" handled sleeve at best buy and for a week carried to and from work. I purchased a second ac brick and kept one at the office. I find it light enough to carry, but for me portability is mostly to move from one desk to another, I am not a starbucks laptop guy.

Performance is great, went to continuing Doom from my desktop to my laptop, no issue. Frame rates are way north of 60 fps. Screen is great for gaming as well. I have noticed an occasional flash of a black screen when running on a/c in games only. I suspect the apartment building wall socket is the culprit. Games appear to run just as well as on battery too me.

The keyboard issues are the stupid rog key cannot be reassigned, and no end key if you use the numbers keypad for numbers. Everyone at the office thought the laptop looked good (some concerns it would look to childish, p.s. I am 55).

Noise is not and issue, even when playing games. Doom sends temps to the 70 celsius (and letting it idle in background keeps temps high). Call of Duty Modern Warfare at idle the temp is only 44c, hitting 58c while playing.

 

If only it didn't have those tacky orange keys.

 

You get used to it

And, it's nice in low light, easier to home in on the keys and the "home" row when typing in the dark.

I use an external keyboard most of the time anyway, so it's not a problem. Maybe I will get a dark keyboard cover to block out the luminescence when running the external keyboard

 

Does the GL502 bios have option to enable intel gpu and disable nvidia gpu?

 

Someone else can correct me, but I don't think any of the GL502's have a MUX switch to switch between iGPU and dGPU.

The GL502VT is Optimus (970m), the GL502VY is dGPU only (980m).

Both of the new Pascal models are dGPU only.

 

Is there "owners Lodge" for this laptop? I've looked at but I couldn't find.
Thanks

 

yeah gsync probably prevents it from working.
and hdmi 2.0 port definitely.

if only there were a way to flip it off in the bios, this baby could be perfect for battery life.


does the 502VM have a hdmi 2.0 port?

 

Google says yes, but local search turns up no owner postings so far...

https://www.google.com/search?q=asu...rome..69i57.7914j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

My GL702 should arrive in a few days.

Reviews on YouTube:-
(very good review)

 

Hey guys ,
I wonder why there are so few reviews for the GL502VM?
I got the GL502VM (GTX 1060) a few weeks back, previously had the GL502VT (GTX 970M) which I had to return due to a defective keyboard.

Here is my short review of the GL502VM
The GL502VM breezes through any task that I throw at it, and the power it provides is just insane for the form factor.
Having said that, as most reviews seem to indicate the laptop definitely weighs more than 2.2Kg (actually weighs around 2.5Kg, what's with the false advertising Asus?).
Build quality seems good but isn't at the same level as a Macbook or an XPS. Personally I don't like the orange highlights much, I would have liked a more professional looking design.
The display on this laptop is excellent, awesome viewing angles and contrast. The bezels on this things is huge though.
The keyboard is excellent. The mousepad is good on Windows and not so great on Linux.
Don't have any thunderbolt devices to check if the laptop supports it, but there is a thunderbolt driver available on the Asus website.

Due to the lack of optimus the battery life is pretty horrible IMO at 3hrs of normal use (I was getting around 5-6hrs on the GL502VT). I tried asking Asus if it would be possible to manually switch to the Intel GPU in a future bios update, they said it wasn't possible. Asus choosing G-sync over battery life is a bad decision IMO, why would anyone who values portability get a device with such a poor battery life?
Linux support isn't great. The laptop gets very hot & loud on linux, even while performing light tasks like web browsing and text editing. I faced some sleep issues too on Linux.

 

It's amazing how much battery suckage the nvidia gpu has in low power mode. 40% less than optimus.

Those who say optimus only saves 30 minutes........ well, here's a good example of it not being the case. Now we just need some hacker to hack the bios to disable gsync and enable intel gpu.

My asus k53ta had a bios hack that allowed me to choose dgpu only instead of hybrid. Some genius out there must be able to hack the 502vm

 

You keep saying Optimus, when you are really saying iGPU mode vs dGPU mode.

Optimus is a way to use the dGPU while in iGPU mode.

Optimus actually reduces the power saving by powering up the dGPU and utilizing it while on battery.

Pure iGPU only is better at power saving than Optimus mixed iGPU/dGPU mode.

The MUX switch method is the most optimal method of switching between iGPU and dGPU, not Optimus.

 

people know what i mean.
I view optimus as the ability to switch off the dgpu, vs dgpu only.
so optimus gives an 80% battery life boost over dgpu only.

 

Just got my GL702VM yesterday. Quick notes:

>It has an IPS Panel (there were some rumours that it might be a TN, but no) and it looks simply excellent. The model # is LP173WF4-SPF3.

>It plays Doom on maximum settings (16X AA, all details ultra etc.) with ridiculous ease compared to my Dell Inspiron which has a GTX 960m.

>It has one rather stupid design drawback; where you naturally rest your arm to use the WASD keys you inevitably end up covering the left front speaker, which isn't a big deal in one way I suppose but it is kind of annoying. I also find that I tend to rub my lower wrist against the fairly sharp edge of the lower panel, which can be a bit uncomfortable.

>It does get hot in the centre but the fans are pretty quiet. I have it resting on a Cooler Master XSlim and it seems to be doing the trick really nicely.

 

Sure, but if you want to know what it really means, go back and read what I wrote.

Full performance dGPU is far more important than battery life.

You bought a heavy duty top of the line Gaming GPU laptop, that's why you bought it - not for battery life.

A Mux switch will give you both battery life and full performance, rebooting to physically switch the connection to the internal display between the iGPU and the dGPU.

If you are getting a gaming laptop, invest in the model that can give you the best full dGPU control - that's what you are paying the big bucks for - not a laptop to use on battery.

If you need a laptop with great battery life, and you can only purchase one laptop, then don't buy a gaming laptop. It's really as simple as that.

Optimus isn't a viable option, it ruins everything else in the dGPU experience - you need to live with that and try to work with it to understand.

If you have had Optimus in a non-gaming laptop, in a business laptop, it might have been ok, but it's death to joy in a gaming laptop.

If you desire a gaming laptop, but also need to squeeze out as much on battery life as possible, then get the laptop with a MUX switch, not Optimus.

 

Hands-on with the ROG Strix GL702VM gaming laptop: Pascal goes thinner and lighter
http://edgeup.asus.com/2016/09/21/hands-rog-strix-gl702-gaming-laptop-pascal-goes-thinner-lighter/

 

I have not had a bad experience with optimus. All the games I've tried work just fine. My g501vw optimus works well with games.

For me, I need something in between two extremes. I'm not a hardcore gamer, but like to play the occasional AAA title. But I also want to be able to take my laptop somewhere and use it for more than a couple hours if i have to, without having to carry an external battery pack.

Also, I don't consider the gl502 to be a big bucks gaming laptop. It was originally meant to be a well-rounder before they removed optimus this generation

 

I have to (partially) agree with hmscott. ROG is Republic of Gamers. G-Sync is a technology that gamers are passionate about, and makes a huge difference in gaming. For a product targeted at gamers, gaming-centric technologies should be the priority, not battery life. There will be other laptops utilizing the GTX 10-series chips that don't have G-Sync, and they are the appropriate choice for people looking for compromises in the gaming experience. IMHO, all ROG laptops should have G-Sync.

I do have to disagree with hmscott on how Optimus works. I am reasonably certain that an Optimus laptop switches to the iGPU and disables the dGPU when on battery. That's kind of the whole point to Optimus.

 

Hello everyone, i am thinking about getting the Asus GL702-Db71.....

I am a college student and i need it for AutoCAD, Revit and other structural analysis programs.. They are graphic intensive so the GTX 1060 should be sufficient for it, correct?

Aaaaaanndd i will game on the side too....... Okay maybe more than just "on the side"....

I need a laptop instead of a PC for the portability. Most of the time i am outside my house, campus and/or out with colleagues for my endless group projects and thats why i think after all my research the GL702 is great for my needs. It should last me 4-5 years In terms of design programs, i dont care about playing video games in 4-5 years in ultra high settings..



Another thing is i will buy the DB71 and a PCI m2. Ssd and install it.. Do you recommend this model? Or is it even compatible with it? Pardon my inexperience in this... (attaching a link)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01J...intel+600p&dpPl=1&dpID=41Li9wBwbJL&ref=plSrch

 

Thats incorrect, on Optimus capable laptops the dGPU is disabled when you are running on the iGPU.

Optimus improves battery life significantly by allowing the user to choose which apps run on the iGPU and which apps on the dGPU.

Optimus > Mux switch because Optimus can switch GPUs on the fly while with the Mux Switch you need a reboot (and possibly a hack to enable it in the first place).

There are two downsides to Optimus that I can think of, the first is that its incompatible with GSync because Optimus requires the display to be hooked up to the iGPU while GSync needs the display to be hooked up to the GPU, the other being that Intel iGPUs don't support higher than 60Hz refresh rates.

So in the end the customer has to choose between longer battery life or GSync & higher refresh rates.

Some might disagree with your opinion.

GSync and higher than 60Hz refresh rates enhance the gaming experience but they are not that important, a lot of people who buy thin and light powerful gaming laptops (Like the GL502, GL702, GS63VR ...etc) buy their laptop to do everything for them including spending time on a single charge.

I could do up to 5 hours on my Gigabyte P37X v5 w/GTX980M thanks to Optimus, but now with the GL702 I think I will be lucky if I get 3 hours.

Yes the GL702 might be a good fit for you, and I would advise you to get the DB71 and a better PCIe M.2 SSD than the Intel 600p, something like the Samsung 960 EVO M.2 when it gets released.

 

Sorry man, you aren't quite right, the iGPU and dGPU can be both running on Optimus.

Windows graphics features can't run on the dGPU, so they all run on the iGPU, but other applications can direct their GPU usage at the dGPU at the same time, so both can be running.

It doesn't take much for Optimus to switch on the dGPU and be running both, hence my comments that Optimus doesn't improve battery life further than "pure" iGPU only.

Using the MUX to boot on iGPU the dGPU doesn't even show up in the device list, it's not powered on, and nothing can activate it.

So MUX iGPU is the maximum battery life mode, not Optimus.

The MUX switch is a device just like any other, and the Windows vendor MUX software and the BIOS MUX option can access the MUX switch to switch it one way or the other.

If you call that a "hack", then all software controlled devices are a "hack"

That's right, Optimus running through the iGPU completely disables the dGPU from controlling / accessing the internal display, so that cuts out G-sync.

But, if you have a laptop that has a MUX switch and Optimus - the original way this all came about - you can use the MUX switch to do dGPU only to run G-sync on the internal panel.

With dGPU and iGPU MUX switch, with no Optimus, you have the choice always available.

When on iGPU and battery mode you really don't need G-sync anyway because the dGPU is powered down and the iGPU graphics power is so low G-sync won't be able to help anyway.

When on dGPU you are plugged in with full power available, so you have no need of the iGPU for any reason - the iGPU is superfluous - it could only make things worse thermal/power-wise if it were enabled.

Remember this the iGPU is drawing power/thermal headroom from the CPU when Optimus is used - very bad - bad bad bad - it add's 10c to the load temps for the CPU and reduces the headroom for OC.

Noooo, don't fall for the PCIE/NvME overpriced stuff, get the M.2 SATA high capacity drive - 1TB for less than 50% of the cost per GB.

You will only derive maximum benefit from the PCIE speeds when doing copies from M.2 PCIE to M.2 PCIE - so unless that's all you do the rest of the time that speed won't be noticed in day to day work.

But, paying 3x as much for the same storage is *very* noticeable

$239 => Sandisk SD8SN8U-1T00-1122 X400 1TB M.2 2280 Solid State Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...082&cm_re=M.2_sata-_-0D9-0006-000G1-_-Product

$769 - Toshiba OCZ RD400 M.2 1TB PCI-Express 3.0 x 4 MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) RVD400-22280-1T
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ..._pcie_1tb_ssd_internal-_-20-228-164-_-Product

 

Well..... I am buying the gl702 today, cuz i need it at the closest time possible (and get it shipped from the US to Kuwait T_T)

I was checking the samsung 950 Pro, the 512gb model at the price of 317$........ And @hmscott's Sandisk recommendation...

Samsung = pcie
Sandisk = sata


In theory, the pcie is faster.. But in the real world they are kind of close to the same speeds correct? So getting more storage space for even a cheaper price (sandisk 1tb is 257$) is a better option if i am right?


Thanks a lot for your time!

 

If you are copying M.2 PCIE to another M.2 PCIE, their speed is handy as it drops wall clock time (real time) significantly.

If you aren't doing much of that kind of work, then for most normal operations the disk transfer time is only a fraction of the overall real time, so you won't notice it much.

If you are doing some kind of data analysis that reads/writes to a large data set stored on the SSD, then it could make a big difference as well.

Most such data analysis work reads the entire dataset into RAM first - if it fits, so only the initial READ would be sped up.

It's up to you and the type of work you do.

If you are just gaming, browsing, and in general just using the laptop for non-critical work, the extra storage and $$$ savings will be more noticeable

 

Got it, i'm not close to the "large data analysis" so i guess i wont need the pcie... And for games, as you mentioned, the extra space will be more noticeable..

I'll get the sandisk you recommended, 1tb m.2

Thanks a lot for your help sir!

 

There are other M.2 SATA SSD's - a little more pricey, but just as nice, look around at the other options as well.

Here are the available options up on Newegg for M.2 SATA 1TB SSD's:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100011693 600488413 601193224 600038493&IsNodeId=1&Description=m.2 sata 1tb&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=36

 

The point of Optimus is to switch between iGPU and dGPU, on AC or battery makes no difference - AFAIK.

I haven't tested this for a long time, as I don't like Optimus I don't use it on current hardware.

It would be easy to test. Set up a game that is forced to run on dGPU, and try to run it on battery - check the forced settings again while on battery first - it might be good to use a game without heavy demands on GPU so it runs after loading so you can check which GPU it's running on.

Optimus is designed to switch between iGPU or dGPU automatically or manually on an application by application basis.

If Optimus was smart enough to disable itself and that switching function on battery, forcing the dGPU off on current hardware - I would be surprised - why not just have a MUX switch in that case?

The fact that Optimus isn't disabled on AC also confuses, what's the point of that? You are plugged in and can use the full power dGPU for everything, Optimus should disappear on AC.

Nothing about Optimus makes logical sense, why would Optimus functionality on battery make sense?

 

I'll get either the sandisk or the intel ... Most probably the sandisk, price is really good.. I'll just have to check if its available on amazon..

 

If you are talking about the new Intel 600p M.2 PCIE drives, please let us know how you like them

Is the Intel 600p 1TB version released? I haven't seen a price for it yet...

The Read is much faster, but the Write speed is about the same as a M.2 SATA SSD.

I am most interested in the operating temperatures of that new PCIE drive, hopefully it's running cooler than the typical M.2 PCIE x4 drives.

Make sure you know the return period, and keep it in mind when running tests when you swap to the new SSD.

And, be sure you are ready to use it extensively during the return period to catch any problems - infant mortality has taken SSD's from me before, and it can happen to any drive.

I had one of the GT80 RAID'd 128GB drives fail, 1.5 years later - after it was only in use for 3 days...

I had been using 4x 500GB replacement M.2 SATA SSD's almost immediately so had never lived on the original SSD's, it died surprisingly quickly.

Always back up your important data, even more often on a new unknown drive.

 

I dont think an intel 600p 1TB is released.. Only found 512gb on the internet...

I can either get an intel PCIE 512gb for 180$....

Or a sandisk SATA 1TB for 250$...

I'll look them up on the internet, cuz i havent used an SSD before, not to mention an m.2 one... (when did they even invent these?)

The asus GL702 already has a 1TB HDD, so even getting the 512GB SSD will still be good. I will have the OS, Autocad/Revit and Multiframe (all in all i think 80GBs... Rest will be free for some games so its enough for me... But you can never say enough for more storage T_T

 

So I have the 15.6 inch 1070 laptop. I've noticed that it drains to 95% almost immediately once it's plugged in and I'm playing games (Overwatch, for example). I haven't noticed much latency when plugged into an external monitor(s).

My silly question (please forgive me)... should I keep this laptop with the battery drain or should I send it back and buy something else? I'll assume 5% per hour, I won't play at any given point so long that I would completely drain it but there would come a time (quite soon, right?) that the battery would be depleted and playing on it may not be great. I've had nothing but terrible experiences with Asus tablets and I'm a bit weary now.

I'm also happy to give a complete rundown / review if others are interested. This is my first gaming pc (years with Apple) so I'm not technologically savvy.

 

I just finished talking to one of ASUS's live chat support guys... He just told me that my model (gl702-DB71) only supports SATA m.2, not PCIE..... And only up to 512GB (only either 120gb/512gb) which is pretty weird..... And it has to be NGFF 2280 (which i did not understand...)


Is this what the Agent meant?

https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-512GB-Internal-Solid-CT512M550SSD4/dp/B00ITFZTHC

This is a bit pricey.. Oh well....

EDIT: found thise others.. But are they "NGFF 2280"??

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B019..._QL65&keywords=SanDisk+SD8SN8U-512G-1122+X400

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01L..._QL65&keywords=SanDisk+SD8SN8U-512G-1122+X400



Update:

Contacted another support agent.. She told me that the laptop does indeed support
PCIe, 256, 512gb NGFF 2280
SATA, 128, 256, 512gb NGFF 2280....

 

I think what you mean had been mentioned in this post, can you check Page 8 - the post by Tonrac... And the following posts until page 9 or 10 i think.. They are discussing your issue.... But i also recommend contacing asus if your problem does not match what Tonrac had posted...

 

There is often confusion with support people not all being on the "same page", and so it's good you go to another for a "better" answer

NGFF is "Next Generation Form Factor", which is an old name for M.2

M.2 is the form factor, and the "number" is the size and whether it is single or double sided.

2280 is double-sided 80mm - which is the "standard" size. 60mm is also popular for older devices - takes less room, but fits fewer chips.

You don't want single-sided, at least not any more, as the density isn't enough to support the sizes we want.

100mm is the size Apple uses, and is how they got to 1TB SSD's quicker than others using 80mm size cards.

I haven't seen them, but apparently there are 2280 2TB cards coming.

2280 is standard sized M.2 "Next Generation Form Factor" SSD's, and the interface supported is either SATA or PCIE X4 (+ NVME).

The higher speed PCIE x4's generate a lot more heat, mostly from the higher clocked controller parts - using FLIR you can see the hotspot on the board, but after a short time the heat migrates across to all the parts and the whole board is hot.

So you can run 2280 2TB M.2 SATA/PCIE(+NVME), and smaller.

If you find a 60nm or 100nm M.2 board cheap, don't be tempted as there is no way to secure the end of the board attachment screw - no hole or mounting point - stick with the size / length the design supports.

I recommend the SATA, cooler and cheaper - less than 1/2-1/3 the cost for the same storage compared to the newest PCIE releases.

 

What is your AC power supply rating? 180w, 230w, 330w?

Have you checked the power draw at the wall socket with something like the "Kill-a-watt" meter? If you are within about 20% of rated power you have plenty of power to run and charge.

 

I suck at typing on forums.

I have the ASUS 15.6" G-sync GL502VS-DB71 Intel Core i7 6700HQ (2.60 GHz) NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 16 GB Memory 256 GB SSD 1 TB HDD Windows 10 Home 64-Bit Gaming Laptop. I think I'm in the right forum. Anyway, I was responding to comments from page 8-10 on the power drain. I have experienced it too. It's quick rapid to 95% with Overwatch. After playing Paragon for about one to 1.5 hours, I'm at 94% battery. The AC power supply that was provided is 180w.

 

In this case your PSU might not have enough power to have high powered gaming and charging at the same time.

For a 1070 + 45w laptop CPU a 180w might not be enough for long sessions and high power draw, your laptop might not be able to charge during high power usage.

I have seen that on Macintosh with a too small power adapter, bumping up to a higher power PSU (the correct one for the new models) fixed that.

There are 91w 6700k + 1070 laptops that don't have enough power with the provided 230w, and should have a 330w.

The laptop 45w 67xxHQ/HK draws less power, but 230w-180w is 50w difference, probably what you need to charge + game at high power draw.

See if Asus can provide a 230w PSU to you that will work.

If Asus won't provide it, you may need to purchase one on your own - check with Asus if it has the same/right connector to plug into the laptop (180w connector vs 230(240?)w connector.

This has happened in the past when a maker specs a too small PSU (Alienware) and then gets enough complaints to increase the capacity moving forward.

Make your voice heard and file a ticket with Asus support - same with everyone else seeing this behavior - you need a larger PSU than a 180w for a 1070.

 

Thanks a lot! I contacted Asus today and their support program was down (wha??) but they told me to call back tomorrow. I'll keep on it with them. I hope this is the solution because I do like the laptop overall.

 

Today was a Holiday in the US, Columbus Day

 

Makes sense, thank you.

I'll look again for an ssd or i'll wait a couple of weeks... Problem is that i got taxed on amazon when i purchased the Strix from amazon -_- (shop and ship). I'll have to wait until the shipment arrives (2 weeks) to ask for my tax money back cause I only have 130$ left.. Oops... Not enough for a 512gb ssd

 

Hi guys! upgrading the psu will NOT FIX the battery drain (did this on my msi gt72 and did not helped) unless you get a custom firmware update , i have now a GL502VS laptop and want to share things do to this laptop, 1st, upgraded to 2x16gb ddr4 2400mhz and they work marvelous at that frequency helping the overall system speed, 2nd, i noticed fps drop when gaming, try to find info in forums and nothing, so i downloaded hwmonitor and checked the temps, cpu and gpu were hitting arround 85/90 celcuis, asus says that is normal so i didnt do anything about it for a couple of weeks, now, tired of fps drops i managed to make my way to fix it, so i opened the laptop, the fans have 4 cables, red blue yellow and black, i disconected the blue and yellow to keep the fans 100% all time, yes the noise incremented a lot but now games run AMAZING, never drop fps again so the problem was OVERHEAT, wanted to share this, if you have no problems with the fan noise hope this can help