Upgrade a G73-jh to 6970?

Yes the glue method is abit bad but some shops sell a kit for gluing heatsinks on chips etc.

Im taking on the gas heatgun method as the a regular heatgun does not give the instant output as a gas powerd heatgun. I need to heat it fast so i will not damage the pipes.

Just orderd some IC 7 from the UK. Ill get the heatgun tomorrow and then just need to wait for the GPU+ heatsink and IC7 to arrive

 

Hi, guys i have some bad news i'm very interested this topic becouse i have too a g73 so i read this topic over and over and i try figured out, how will brick any card what are u try out. i suspected on the cooler power not enough, so after i start plan my cooler, but i asked some asus hardware developer and they told me the G73xy series truly use the MXM 3.0 standard but they change some properities and will not work other card just only what they made it, for this series, i hope so they are wrong and i cross my fingers to work other card.

I think we have an other chance if we get somehow an hd6970 from the G74 maybe this card uses same standards

( sry for my english skill but i hope u understand what i wanted to tell you)

 

Thing is G74 has no HD6970Ms in their product line up, and mostly will never have that anytime soon.

The reason why we know for sure regular MXM 3.0 cards will work with the G73JH is the successful use of an MSI pulled mobility 5870 in the G73JH.

 

you can forget about the G74 since the GPU is soldered into the mainboard so theres no way you can change it to something else, or ASUS change to other card beside the GTX 560M.

 

So far the JH is the only notebook that accepts a nother ati card. The rest well....just dont. The deaths cant be ....well i hope they are not related to wrong voltage.


Ill email the shop next Wednesday so see how far is the card

whats a G73xy ?

 

G73xy as in filling in the missing letter after G73--

 

Its thursday, so any news about the gpu ?

 

Nop no news Has not arrived. Shop sent a email to dell yesterday to get some info on the card and its location.

As soon as they find out they will give me call. They asked me to call them on monday if no info today.

Might still be 3 weeks of waiting time as they told me when i paid the 50% order-price.

 

Still nothing new?

 

Haven't a couple people already tried to run with a 6970m, and although it initially booted up, in the end it didn't work?

 

I did manage to get a Clevo card to work, but performance wasn't on par with what you would expect. It also required ATT to run at the right clocks, the card died when i flashed the Dell 6970 Bios to it and tried running furmark. I still have the card, i still need to check whether it is dead or not.

 

I see no reason why it shouldn't work, just the vBIOS will be always a problem :/

 

Well im pissed off at the shop i ordered the card from

Did not get hold of them on monday as the hotline was busy and the lady who took the calls told me that they would call back as soon as possible. Well they did not so i sent a email on monday.... its been a busy week at work so i did not have time to deal with this until today. Today i got a hold of tech support and what they guy said pissed me off. Turns out that (its what they said but i dont belive that Dell is the one to blame it on ) the order was canceled by dell as they did not ship the card with the heatsink anymore. So i asked why are you telling me this now as i orderd the card 3 weeks ago. They said that Dell did not reply to them so now i filled in a new order for the heatsink (36 euro) and the card is still 310 euro (just not with the heatsink). They sent the orderd out today .....after a lot of bad words to the tech support they said that it will be express delivery so hope to get it at the end of next week or 02.Nov.

Realy hate shops that dont work as they should. Most of the tech support was hard working on facebook and youtube as i saw when i was there last time.

A extra 1-2 week for me until i can have a go at it sry all

 

It's all good. Just don't let them ruin your dream of owning the most powerful G73 in the world!

 

DH48, it's all good - everything is finalized and your card really is shipping out to you. As you can see, this thread is pretty old, so I'm pretty sure the community can survive waiting another week for results.

As Crogge pointed out, it seems there is no compatible vbios for the G73JH and the 6970m. Do we have any coders out there who could make one?

 

Well im just angry at the service and why no one there asked tell if they had shipped. If they had asked the next day i would have a card in my hands right now. Ou well just have to wait.


Well the vbios might be the problem that needs to be solved. Cant remember if someone tested a Dell card ?

 

I think its all a conspiracy by Asus to prevent you successfully implementing another GPU into one of their reverse engineered laptops.

Men with black suits will appear in the night blindfold and take you away in an unmarked van to never be seen again....

The G73JH with a working 6970M will be placed into a crater and a grenade thrown in burying it under a ton of earth.

This post will disappear never to be seen or spoken of again, and we will tell this tale to our grandchildren, and their grandchildren's grandchildren. Of DH48.

.....and I digress.

 

LoL now you got me scared Dallers.

Will be looking over my shoulder from now on and punching the first person i see in a black suit and sunglasses.

 

ASUS Enforcers wear Hawaiian shirts and shorts, and steel toe workshoes

 

Any less-than-official words on if he is even barking up the right tree? I am just a bystander on this, as I'd sell the G73 before shelling out $500 for a minor bump in performance... Rather just buy a good 6950 desktop card and upgrade my desktop for that price...

 

But that's lame. Having the power of a desktop in a laptop is way more awesome.

 

Exactly. You can use a NB anytime as PC, but you can't use a PC as NB.

A notebook has a lot of advantages (Low power consumption, silent, running on battery (No UPS required), no need to buy a screen/keyboard/mouse, stylish design, using way less space...). The only disadvantages which I get in my mind are the higher costs and that a NB is only limited upgradeable.

Anyway that is in my opinion quite off-topic. I personally would love to see a working possibility to replace the 5870 with a 6970, maybe a small modification to the vBios could fix the compatibility issue already.

Has anyone ever compared / created a diff between the default 5870M vBIOS and the G73 5870M vBIOS?

 

We all know this and personally I doubt I will do the 6970M upgrade because of so many reasons.

A. The 5870M is a good card, runs well and does not juice too much at 50watts stock.
B. I use my notebook a lot for battery saving so more drainage is no good for me.
C. The lack of juice as it is in my JH with my 920XM means another 25+ watts needed for the GPU is not going to be a performance boost more a peformance hinderence.

But at the end of the day this is not about having a mint G73JH with a 6970M this is all about modding and seeing if something will work because if people like us dont try these things others wont know if its a possibility. Sadly the longer it takes and the more failure that occurs is seems more and more worthy to sell up shop and upgrade.

 

Like Dallers said if we do not try it we will never know. With something like the 6970 this thread has shown that measure 100 times and cut once.

I might also be wrong ....ASUS might have a "auto kill" in the system to just overvolt and burn other cards out.


Personally i am in it for the "unknown land" part. Doing something that is not standard.

Notebooks are much more expensive but try fitting a PC into your backpack
I actually lost one of my PC thanks to constantly having to move. The 1000W PSU just blew up Turned out that the vibration (from lifting the computer and the vibration from the road) was the fault. You do not get that with a notebook


I am hoping that if the card stays stable without overheating just just dying MXM-upgrade might do a nother test.


Edit: Good news is that MXM-upgrade tested the 6970 on a JW and not a JH.

 

I doubt that, normally it should simply ignore the GPU but it shouldn't destroy it by overvolting because it could damage the whole G73 that way.

 

That part was more like a joke

 

Hardly, this sort of statement borders ignorance.

The desktop chips clock and overclock far higher than any Mobile part of the same chip family ever will, at a far lower cost of ownership. Bluefalcon13 is being wise not lame.

You can have a 6970M which is a down clocked 6870 desktop chip. But for the cost of 400 Plus USD on the mobile part and 150 odd USD for the desktop part with far more overclocking headroom, its a no brainier, if you don't absolutely need to have mobility.

Lets be realistic, how many games will you play when you are on the move? Will you play battlefield or something similar online or another high end game while at the airport? I tried, couldn't even get a decent place to sit most of the times, and then we have to buy over-priced pants internet access just to game. In short no one bothers in the end. You only get to game once you are in your hotel room comfortably on a desk and chair. So gaming laptops are for those who are always on the move and cant be bothered with a high end desktop at home for strictly gaming.

 

There are more factors to consider.

1. As a young bachelor (previously college student), I move a lot. With a laptop, I could carry it home during breaks and having full gaming capabilities. On the other hand, it would be a pain in the to move my desktop. In fact, I had a desktop PC, and I never took it home on breaks cause it was so much trouble. Eventually I got sick and tired of carrying it around and sold it.

2. Laptops take up little space where I'm at. I don't have much space for a desktop tower, etc. Laptops are neat and tidy.

3. Desktops nowadays typically use 700+ watt PSUs. My laptop uses 180w. Big difference in the power bill, and I don't have to worry about tripping the circuit breaker.

4. I can go to my friend's place and play the same games I can at home. Similarly, while on vacation anywhere else, I can pop out my laptop and play a tournament match.

5. I can STILL play any game on high(est?) settings with excellent performance.

6. I can surf the web while in bed.

7. I paid $780 for the G73JH laptop without any of the modifications. A similarly performing desktop would cost: $100+ for case, $150 for video card, $50-100 for ram, $150-200 for motherboard, $~100 for PSU, $150 for SSD, $50 for HDD, $250-350 for a good i7, $150+ for a monitor, $50 for a keyboard, $50 for bluray. Even with my 920XM ($150 net out of pocket after selling old cpu) + 128GB SSD ($150 net out of pocket) + bluray ($100), I only spent $1180. Damn, that's $1,350 for a desktop versus $1180 for a laptop. Seems like desktop users aren't spending that little after all.

 

I personally have never actually used my Laptop for its mobility in a public place at all, it is maybe useful taking it upto my parents when I go see them for a week if I get bored but apart from that I am at home with it.

But I enjoy nothing more than chilling on my bed gaming and surfing and doing everything computerised without having to get up and sit at a desk, although I understand you dont necessarily have to using a mouse and keyboard on a bed is a knightmare.

Its is not just that for me I go very much for the vain parts of a laptop the fact that it looks good, its ability to perform miracles even in something that I can pick up with one hand and throw at a wall for instance The G73 is surprisingly light at 3.5kg for a 17 inch gaming laptop as well.

Also Mharidas I would say that as you have the M18x (my personal favorite laptop out at the moment) you cannot have bought that for mobility due to is sheer size and weight, but still you have something that maybe expensive but can destroy any game just as a desktop can but be closed and placed conveniently out of the way if you need to, unlike a Tower which cannot. Hence mobility.

We cannot explain why we pay obscene amounts of money for something weaker but just better looking, but we do and you only have to take one look at the Desktop Review website and then return to NBR to see ''where'' the coolest and most interesting people congregate

 

Answers in bold above.

 

Not going to get involved with you chaps bantering

But I have to disagree about Metro ^^ It may just be me but I can play it even with DirectX11 tesselation on high at 900p and it runs perfectly all the way through above 30-40fps I think the only time it dropped below was the green gas near the end killed the frames.

I understand Notebookreview says otherwise as well but there have been a lot of updates and patches since its release. My 5870M at 900p for me still owns.

 

I bought the refurb M18X from the Dell outlet without labor day coupons because I will be on the move for at-least 1.5 years more or less. A desktop will be too much of a problem moving rooms and maybe even countries. And I want to game with highest settings on possible (yes I am very picky on the eye candy, its my weakness ) .

But the moment I get a fairly long term residence I will get a high end desktop/workstation for my gaming and development needs.

 

DX 11, on Very high settings (not just high), With tessellation on, DOF off, you wont get past 30fps most of the times. I have tried it. Its very choppy and unplayable. I had to put to just "High" settings.

 

Yes as I just said high 900p tesselation on DOF off and AA on as I see above 30fps sometimes it even jumps into the 40's until that horrible bit with the green slimeys that just make my GPU cry for help.

I find very high far too much anyway I really hate motion blur so wouldn't use it, and considering Metro is still the most demanding game out at the moment I would say those ^^ settings for a laptop is pretty damn good. Although I am bias I came from the 8700M GT SLI so as you can imagine

I saw that labour day deal you posted on NBR and I nearly cried and was going to pack my bags and move to your continent

 

Yeah, I play at High for Metro2033. Very High is good except with fumes and such. High is smooth as butter all the time.

 

Thats why I said I am picky when it comes to eye candy, I know the difference between High and Very high may not be noticeable unless you stopped to take notice, but sometimes you do notice it even in intense battles.

Its a weakness of mine, and I need it to be played at the highest. The game developers will suggest that's how they intend the game to be really played if one could.

The ASUS G73JH is an excellent machine, the reason why I would never sell it despite having the M18X.

 

I wouldn't say not noticeable it is a massive jump from high to very high and I like the fact that they show you the break down of exactly what changes when you adjust the settings. I really like Alienware and I am 99% sure my next one is going to be one when I move out im gonna put aside the extra money and get one when Wimbledon drops.

From High to Very High its certainly a big difference in terms of detail but hits the GPU very hard. I hope the new Metro is the same considering Metro 2033 is pretty old now and still has graphics that new games dont its about time developers got their act together, we want Directx 11!

 

sad to say. Even mxm-upgrade.com cannot find a solution when upgrading 5870 to 6970 gpu card with jh/jw laptops....

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http://www.mxm-upgrade.com/index.html

 

That's a JW they tested with, not a JH.

MSI 5870 mobility cards work in JHs, so its MXM 3.0b compliant in every sense.

 

MXM Upgrade Home Page

Its a g73-JH model not a g73-JW. read what they said on their website or they are misleading their readers?

 

That information is wrong, just because MXM-upgrade put it up there doesn't make it comprehensive.

MSI cards are MXM 3.0b standard and they work in the JH, reported in NBR by those who tried it.

MXM-upgrade needs to know how to understand what the MXM x.0 standard is, my university's research teams have members who work with MXM cards for various custom projects for Govt/military clients. I had the opportunity to go though MXM pin references to know pins numbering and what they do. ASUS's mobility 5870M are MXM 3.0b cards. All ASUS did was reduce the number of PCB layers and broaden the PCB to cut costs of production plus it is easier to deal with less layers.

Unfortunately for MXM-Upgrade they don't really know what they are talking about. Their attempts failed because the JW BIOS is different from the JH's plus ATI specific needs in firmware behave differently to Nvidia specific cards. Its down to the system BIOS why their attempts failed. If MXM-upgrade were really savvy they would investigate the system BIOS. They cant because that is beyond their expertise. I don't do such firmware, I do PCB and Chip layout design.

People here (read the whole thread) have managed to get the card working before it died unexpectedly, for other reasons, on the JH

On the JW though nothing comes on screen but you can hear windows boot up and play the logon music.

So that means they ran it on the JW. If they didnt then they did something wrong, people have got clevo/eurocom cards to boot. Unlike what they are reporting if it indeed was the JH system.

 

Just got a email...... the parts i orderd are at the shop Hope they orderd the right parts lol .....that would be a realy nasty FAIL

Sad part is i got a exam on monday. Will not rush with the swap as its best to go slow and do it right the first time rather then FAIL fast. Ill update after i get the parts from the shop.

LoL i ran to the store. So this is what i got for 359 euro and still cheaper then at MXM-upgrade

All the parts

Spoiler

The almost beast (compared to 6990) GPU

Heatsink with thermal pads and the stock thermal paste strip

And the backplate or GPU heatsink bracket

 

What results did you recieve?

 

Such a good looking Graphics Card

Look forward to seeing your results when you have some spare time. No hurry but this post will quickly become number 1 again on the google chart list once you begin the mod

 

i got the 6970m+940xm in my gx660, thinking on try them on the g73jh..........

 

This thread will be high on my watch list

I'm really looking forward to seeing what can be done with this card. I'm thinking this one will be a success.

 

Some good news to

The modification will be minimal

Here is a old pic of the JH GPU (look at the heatpipes)


With the R2 heatsink i was really dissapointed at first as i had forgot how the JH heat pipe was place on the heatsink. But after the JH heatsink pic i was all .. It is almost the same. The R2 has 3 pipes but the pipes are placed on the heatsink as on the JH, so tomorrow ill try to solder the old pipes off of the R2 I removed the thermal pads and put the all in a safe place for the time being. Just by looking at how the thermal pads and how many of them are there, there is no wander that some of the last cards might have died from heat.

R2 heatsink


PS. Good news is i will not have to drill the card So even if it dies can return it ....but lets not think that it will die.....it will work ....it will work ....it will work

 

on this website MXM Upgrade Home Page they try to upgrade the 5870 of an asus g73jh with 6970 but the edge fingers of the 5870's mxm board have a slight difference from the mxm 3.0b standard specifications.
Check it by yourself.
Do you think this is the problem?

 

I asked MXM-upgrade and they said they tested it on the JW not the JH.

 

But on their website they show the 5870 and the test was perfomed to JH.