*Official ASUS W90Vp Owners' Lounge*

If everything go's to plan i should have my Qx9300 by the weeks end. that is all, carry on now

 

himm, 0.1ms and 17 ms. Altough seem like a huge difference. It takes me alot more to make extra $300 to updare from a 250gb hdd to 250gb ssd. So work for two days to save 17ms per access. How many times should I access to the ssd to make up for the difference?

8hours x2 = 16 hours
16 hours = 960 minutes
960 minutes= 57,600 seconds
57,600 secodns = 57,600,000.00 miliseconds
57,600,000/17 =~ 3.4 million times.

Average person runs let say 1000 programs each day which is a huge number.

It makes 34 thousand days of usage which is 93 years to break even.

I am a financail analyst with an engineering degree which makes me look at things in a different way.

 

Yeah, while SSD's are fine for bragging rights and all, their "bang-for-the-buck" ratio is rather small. Is it faster? Undoubtedly. $300 faster? Sadly, no (and currently comes at quite a significant loss in storage space when compared to the average HDD).

Once they are larger and cheaper though...

 

really make sure you puts up some benchies. i got some tricks up my sleeve.

 

Lol i sure will donda, heck, thats half the reason im buying it, probably much like yourself .

 

I'll just repeat the line that you always hear, and I discovered is incredibly true:

You don't realize how slow your hard drive really is until you get used to 2 weeks of instant everything.

 

Damm order got backordered bc of the T9800 aint in stock.

 

I like this guy! He thinks like me.

Plus I already had mapped my normal layout anyways too.

My normal layout of anything that "loads"

My normal work night:

Boot - less than a minute
Winamp - instant
Firefox - instant
Photoshop maybe - less than 10 seconds
Excel maybe - about 5 seconds

So my work flow if we cut boot down to say 15 seconds, and make photoshop 1 second and excel 1 second. I can save oh less than a minute lol.

Seriously everything loads almost instantly as is and I load almost nothing.


My home workflow:

Winamp - instant
PCSX2 - about 4 seconds
Firefox - instant
MPC - instant
Vuze - about 3 seconds

Thats an average day for me at home lately, almost everything is instant I really have no room to save, I dont even boot as the computer is always on.

 

Yep thats why most people say its not worth it because they have simply not used one in person to see the difference first hand. I have seen one and its mind boggling fast depending on your needs but i just need space more then speed ,so for me i just could not justify it .

 

next time factor in this with your mock up
i can drop my hard drive, can you?
my drive has no heat, does your?
instant on everything, is yours?
if i have a power failure while information is still in the buffers or cache, the drive has a built in capacitor to put the info to the drive, does yours?

you get what you pay for.


side note. i don't use my expensive laptop as a mp3 player or a bit torrent video download video machine so who cares about a terabyte of space if im not using it all. and if i need it ill buy another ssd drive.

sure, like all people, i want the drive to be free. i dont want to pay for anything. and price per performance? till you try it...you'll never know.
and for the last time. these drives use to cost 3000 dollars...repeat after me...3 0 0 0 d o l l a r s ! it's now down to 350 bucks. (120 gb)

but hey, everyone has they're own opinion, but i better not see any of you complainers with one any time soon.
and this stuff about space. this laptop has two drive bays...what's the problem?

 

They get large and cheap, I'll have one.
I just can't bring myself to pay for more than I did for my RAID0 Raptors (and even those are pushing the limits of what I would consider a worthy expense; increased disc speed just isn't worth the cost for what you get in return).

 

Glad I was able to rouse some interest although I noticed this has already come up in the thread. lol I have pretty much made up my mind to try the raid on the plain ol crappy platters and see what I get. Somebody has to take one for the no money for SSD crowd. With that in mind I have never had vista and have a few questions. If I read correctly I can put in the driver and utility disk and pull the drivers from there during the reinstall? I do have a usb floppy around somewhere I can use if need be. Im thinking of testing the computer as is before I delete the bloatware and then again after setting up the raid under the assumption the quick restore disc returns it to factory settings with all drivers and software included? What would you use to test? HD tach seems like a no brainer, anything else? And yes I know it wont be spanking the SSDs, just trying to see what I can get out of what I got, or more correctly is being shipped.

edit, Im thinking 32k for the striping, my usage is as previously described, thoughts on that?

 

You can break a SSD from a drop and SSD do make heat, I think I read that in some cases hotter than a HDD, though I would have to find that article before I say for sure.

You dont need to dig up reasons why a SSD is so great, everybody here knows how fast they are, but only that person knows if that "greatness" really offers any benifit to there needs.

Like stated, you wont find me opening many programs at all, I really have nothing to gain. But I use lots of storage so I have two things to lose. My precious space & my money

I do think you exaggerated just how nice "instant" everything is though. We are talking seconds saved and that really amounts to nothing when the day is said and done.

 

Same:

Required - Large, Cheap, New Win 7 feature up and running that helps SSD keep there full speed and increase there life.

 

***Warning Incoming Non Computer Type***

Ok I am very interigued with all this talk of SSDs, so I thought I might through out a question or two.

1. I have the X1 with its 320 HDD, would there be an issue installing a SSD along with it, i.e. capatabilty running both since the W90 can hold two drives.

2. Would installing games on a SSD improve the performance of the game? I enjoy my MMO's from time to time and they seem to access the HDD a good amount so anywhere I can tweak a gain is yummy.

3. How does that SSD Jbill mentioned earlier (think $190) that is on sale compare to most models?

 

What makes you think that I didn;t use an SSD drive. I had an SLC also. Soon RAM is going to replace the hdd or vice versa. Netbooks can already use external sd memories as RAM. I am doing my own experiments but most of them are not involved benching stuff. If SSD is %30 more expensive than regular hdd I'll definitly go with that route but 10 times is alittle bit too much at the moment.

SSD is better than regular hdd in performance. HDD is better than SSD in pricing. That is that.

 

Ok I am very interigued with all this talk of SSDs, so I thought I might through out a question or two.

1. I have the X1 with its 320 HDD, would there be an issue installing a SSD along with it, i.e. capatabilty running both since the W90 can hold two drives.

- No problem



2. Would installing games on a SSD improve the performance of the game? I enjoy my MMO's from time to time and they seem to access the HDD a good amount so anywhere I can tweak a gain is yummy.

- No performance gain as in FPS, when an area loads it may load faster (though it seems this is more dependent on your ram amount than anything for WoW) most games these days dont just "load" a new area on you, its "slip streaming" it in the background, meaning it starts loading the next area before you get there, so there is no load time even with a normal hard drive.

Those times you do get a load screen is usually when your transfering to a new server (WoW is not just one big server even though you only connect to one server name, it is divided into many sections & dungions each with there own sub server)

The SSD is not going to reduce that sever swap time, but it will reduce any of the stage area loading though I think that is aready pretty small.

The big point to make here as with most online games, even if you manage to load 4x faster, you still have to wait for the rest of your friends/party to load before you can do anything anyways



3. How does that SSD Jbill mentioned earlier (think $190) that is on sale compare to most models?

Its probably the best bang for you buck, its no Intel but its not one of those capitalistic SSD that are worse than a HDD.

 

GT, I thought the same thing as I previously RMA'd my first unit (2/19/09)back to ASUS due to the lock up at start up issue and received a "new" replacement unit direct from their HQ from the 2nd big shipment that came in. (these are the ones that went out to New and Xotic) You can see one of my posts way back confirming that they were incoming from ASUS as I had a CS tell me mine was coming from that shipment. Oddly enough the next day Justin was here saying they were confirmed incoming and he would receive them the following day. When I received the new laptop it had a good amount of fingerprints, and it just seemed overly "handled".

They swore up and down that my new unit was "new" and with the amount of belly-aching I did I began to believe them. The folks at ASUS were always very well mannered and helpfull.

I figured this......There was a BIOS update etc done early on as a "quick fix" to the lock-up issue. What do you think they had to do with all those units already boxed up on pallets awaiting shipment that had the old quirky BIOS? They probably opened up the boxes grabbed "handled" the laptops and flashed the new BIOS and put them back in their boxes and shipped them out. This was probably done with care but haste. So I figure that lots of folks received these "transition" laptops which are new never previously owned but very well "handled" by ASUS staff.

 

133 degrees to be exact in this review:

http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4961

That is WAY too hot.

Especially in a tiny chassis like in the review.

I do large amounts of systems analysis for companies and have large data sets (Bio Informatics, Virtualization).

By definition I do large amounts of writes (10-15 Gig data sets).

I think these drives might be Ok in the portlier chassis (Arima 840 or Asus W90).

So, who wants to get a Intel drive and let it write to itself all night long to see if it really is safe?

Anyone?



Then report back.

-Hack

 

no, i don't think so. and the only people disagreeing are those who dont own one.


and to that temp thing.
my drive 21c

Temperature Readings at 19.0°C



read here about the whole heat thing. (benchmark review)
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.p...k=view&id=299&Itemid=60&limit=1&limitstart=10

Device Name	Ambient	Drive Temp
OCZ Apex Series SSD	19.0°C	31°C
Mtron Pro 7500 SSD	19.0°C	31°C
Mtron Pro 7000 SSD	19.0°C	29°C
Mtron Pro 3500 SSD	19.0°C	29°C
OCZ Core Series SSD	19.0°C	28°C
OCZ Vertex Series SSD	19.0°C	27°C
Hitachi Travelstar 7K100 HDD	19.0°C	27°C
Samsung MCCOE64G5MPP-0VA SSD	19.0°C	27°C
Silicon Power SP064GBSSD25SV10 SSD	19.0°C	27°C
Super Talent FTM60GK25H SSD	19.0°C	27°C
Mtron MOBI 3000 SSD	19.0°C	27°C
Silicon Power SP032GBSSD750S25 SSD	19.0°C	26°C
G.Skill FM-25S2S-64GB SSD	19.0°C	26°C
Crucial CT32GBFAB0 SSD	19.0°C	25°C
Patriot Warp SSD	19.0°C	25°C
Hitachi Travelstar 5K160 HDD	19.0°C	23°C
OCZ OCZSSD2 SSD	19.0°C	21°C

 

Thanks V,

So basically no performance boost for what I want it for. Although I would be one of the "cool kids" if I got one, right ?.......wait, wife says no, I'm not cool regardless

 

Wrong quote (edit you fixed it )

But I know you meant temps, and yes Anandtech has a thing about SSD they tested like 10+ different models and mentioned they run hot.

For an owner/expert to state they dont make any heat really reduces the weight there opinion carries.

But for all I know since I do not own one, the sources that stated they were hot were wrong

 

In all fairness you did say this john

So that was a false statement then?
But if you knew everything about SSD tech and how good it is, why would have you made a false statement?

 

Holy Crap. Mine just showed up, and even though I read over and over how big it is, seeing it in person is crazy. The power adapter could be used as a weapon.

Now on to the customization.

 

was typing to fast. i already corrected it. look up

but now if you would like to nit pick everything...that we can do.

 

Lol congrats and yes that brick is ginormous, but for how big it is its not that heavy.

 

lol read my review I even said you need to register it as a concealed weapon to legally carry it around in your bag

 

Congratulations.

I think each delivery man has a forklift for the package and a pallet.

If you hear a "BEAP BEAP BEAP" outside you know your W90 arrived.



-Hack

 

I want one W90 barebone for $1500 please!!!

 

Sure lol I have lots of stuff I need to debate as I have a lot of factual information people still have not accepted yet in this thread. Mabye going a few more rounds it will sink in.

When I say something that is my opinion I state it is my opinion, I never state my opinions as facts.

When I post something that is not my opinion that means I have tested it and confirmed it or have a reputable source to backup what I say.

Some of the stuff that has happened on this thread is just crazy, where I post benchmarks and instead of saying "oh wow you were right" people keep trying to dig deeper for excuses as to why they not wrong when I corrected them and admit that I had the right idea/knowledge in the first place.

Prime example the gpu being cpu limited, and the fact that the FSB overclock is only increasing score due to the cpu speed not the FSB.

I said that and people are like "you wont know until you get a cpu and do a multi overclock only"

even though I already knew for a fact as I know how the tech works, so then I posted somebody elses benchmarks with a lower FSB and a higher cpu speed and it fit perfectly into where I said it would, and still nobody has admitted I was right.

Honestly if I didnt love to debate things with you guys and teach people things they dont know I would have given up already

Plus if anybody can ever proove me wrong thats great because I need to learn things too, but dont use speculation or excuses to tell me I am wrong, get some solid hardcore proof.

Dont get the wrong view of me, im just debating things on a friendly and technological basis, the only person/event that has actually gotten personal and got me upset was that dumb driver mod argument with e wrecked, and we put that behind us.

You have to challenge everything to get better and learn more, and to find true answers, im the guy that sometimes has to start the challenge

 

hehe i bet you do as im sure you have tons of processers etc just laying around waiting for machines to put them in .

 

so far...all them fancy facts have yet to beat a 9800m gtx is what i get out of it all...

technically, we are here to make the w90 perform where it should be, not debate every single little side non pertinent issue going on...technically.
machines speak for them selves, we just need people to run the test. so get to running.
and just like gaming bencharks are test...so are hard drive/memory/cpu/cd rom burn speed and so on are test.

 

what test?

and what score do I have to beat?

 

I got 2xq9100, 1 T9800, 4 T9400 and couple T7200 sitting at my garage. I need barebones!!!

 

Xotic says next week maybe, I'm so tired of waiting. Is Gentech also respectable company?

 

Yes very much so, equal to Xotic in every way.

I have bought 5 laptops from them.

 

start with these
|3dmark06 16,851/NOOC-15,891-Records|15,535@1920x1200-Record|Single Card 13,648-Record|XP-SLI 16,613-Record
|Vantage P13,048/GPU11,017-No Physx- Records|X5,053-Record|Single Card P7,197-Record


cpu score is 13.1
hard drive .1

it would be nice if you could beat faisalhero though at single card vantage mark. he has a 5901 gpu score. very nice for a 4850. i have a 5736 gpu

you sold your qx9300??

 

Most of those are cpu limited test, not a indicator that the machine is faster just that it has a faster cpu for benching.

How about you do a maxed out custom Vantage Extreme test against me where we pull the cpu out of the equation?

Dont let benchmarks be your guiding light, make sure you use your head to analyze what/what those numbers mean.

 

Sold with a whitebook.

 

im tired of waiting too

 

*facepalm*
X5,053-Record gpu 4902

^^^^^i guess the X was written in Korean huh?

 

Pretty much, seeing that a non-FSB pumped T9600 system can around the same mark when you pump your Q9000 close to the T9600's stock speed. We'll need more runs, so I guess we can look to Quadzilla to help us out. Matter of fact, can he run a stock Vantage with his T9600 to see what he gets now just to make certain.

 

do me a favor I had to run a custom 1920x1080 test and maxed out every setting (like AA & AF) I have a very strong feeling that the extreme preset does not have these maxed out.

You need to run 1920x1080 with everything absolutely maxed out to compare my score. I said custom extreme test not preset test. So your retort is null.

 

I did yesterday just a stock run no turbo gear and it was 10326 or so then with [email protected] it jumped up 300 points .

 

I don't know what is better:
Bragging that your desktop quad-extreme outperforms a basic notebook quad...
...or that the basic quad comes so close to catching it. :rofl:

 

and no overdrive, correct?

Well, this should help put an end to the FSB vs clock speed debate in addition to Quad's results (if no overdrive):

http://forums.amd.com/forum/messageview.cfm?FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear&catid=13&threadid=111875

So I guess it is clock speed. Makes me wonder what kinc's vantage score would have been, lol.

I also think the nVidia cards may be subject to influence in GPU score also. The reason why it doesn't seem the case is because most of us have been focused on Johnksss' scores and benchmarks when gauging nVidia performance. Would be nice if we had an M1730 owner (with an X9000) to see if bumping the CPU speed would change the GPU score for that system.

 

if you can't beat that one then it's gonna be worse.

 

Its ok, if I am right and we only compare gpu score its while not a perfect world comparison it will work. But we have not run the same tests.

He just needs to set extreme preset and go to his options menu and see what those presets are and downclock his cpu to about my level.

My desktop & notebook are both 1920x1080 so I cant see what the presets are.

 

Just click extreme, move over to the options and take a screen shot of the presets so I can see them.

If I ran my 1920x1080 run with double the AA & AF it doesnt matter the res was lower it was still a much harder test.

Edit No Need!

I found it myself and I was right

http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.php?p=3007457&postcount=3

Preset AA is only 4x I ran my test at 8x AA !!!

 

::ducks and runs::