[NW] Upgrade the C90S to a 9600M GT 512MB DDR3 [FIXED!]

I can't believe that was this guys response! It's one thing when a program is free, it's completely different when you have people paying you $50 + for it.

Atvaark,

I would send him an e-mail and point out how much money you have given him and down right demand he help you out. This is just ridiculous.

 

What is his email as I am having difficulty finding it? I shall send a copy of the vbios asap.

 

removed mesh behind the vents and it loverd my temp 3-5 degreas

 

Nightwalker, as much as i appreciate your concern, a hostile approach could potentially stop the development completely. yes, i donated a hefty amount so far, because i need his help. however, it's my fault for not trying to make a deal with him in the first place. i could have just sent him an email requesting a special version of nibitor in exchange for money, but doing so, this copy would have been mine alone. i know he would have forbade me to share it, just like he currently does with nibitor 5.3. i prefer to help him out by sending him bios images of the card and help as much as i can with donations (it's not ruining me, don't worry) so he releases a public version with support for the card.
Makve isn't at fault here. i did not talk to him outside encouragements for his work with the donation. he does not know my problem either. he might have noticed by now that my email address comes up pretty often on his donation list however...

 

Atvaark,

I underestand what your saying but it's frustrating to see this happening. There really is no excuse for him not to have added support for your card after you gave him over $50. Now on top of it he is stating he might not even add support for the card until more people send him a bios image because he doesn't "trust" a single one. That's just stupid.

His program is still "free" but please don't think for a second he isn't making money off it. His "donation goal" is $500.. That's a lot of money to start asking people and you have donated $50 to him and haven't even gotten a bit of help.

Even if he gave you a special copy of the program and forbid you from sharing it I still could have very easily posted up what needed to be changed after you took a screenshot of your performance tables.

Either way, I just can't agree with his actions at this point. I'm glad it isn't bothering you, I really am, I guess I'm just venting in general about it. Well I'll be here to give you a hand whenever I can. Oh and, I won't ask for any "donations" either

 

Could someone let me know what his email address is or where to find it? Cheers

 

his email is [email protected]

that's what he uses to auto send me his 5.3 nibitor every donation i make, and he does reply when i send him my vbios that way.

 

Cheers. Email sent!

 

Related to overheating....
If anyone mised, the size does mathers!!!!!!
For those who are making or will make custom cooper heatsink (for 8xxx, 9xxx, or newer), don't hold to original dimensions! Make it big as the backroom alowes!!
My new heatsink is BIG, simple and it lowered temps to fabric specs...

-at idle: <60C
-at full load: <86C

-Vista 32bit, E6600, nv9600m gt 512mb DDR3 500/1250/800, 5562 3dmark06, custom made 2mm cooper heatsink 100x90mm

Now there are room for extra fans so if there will be need in the future... (doubt that original heat dissipater can do better)

 

IMPORTANT!

Finaly managed to pul the mode that realy lover the temperature of GPU !!!!!!!!!!

Some methodes leaded to wrong directions and gave it 1-3C lover temps but with the posible damage to other components.
(cooper made heatsink is welkome but not nesesery)

Real problem with heat in C90 is in wentilating bay!!!

The heatspreader of gpu heatsink is originaly closed by structure that actualy holdes the wents and the wents are in wronge angle.

To bypas the construction problem it neads some thin auminium plate, acryl silicone, two scruves, and some basic tools. The estetic depands of will and god hand.

The mode lovers the temp of GPU by 15-20 degreas!!!! (in my case 15)

More tutorial in couple of days with pics....

 

please show us wit piccies!! 15C off is a massive improvement!

 

Forgot to sead that I'm still using 90W power suply ( which will be reabilt to 135W) and I'm NOT using any cooling pad! With some pad the temps would be probably more lower.

The pics and some tutorial would be later today...

 

I have a 150W power supply I could sell to you if you need the power . Original one that came with my C90P. Now have a 180W one.

Will let you know if I can part with it if you are interested.

 

yust realized that my card is gddr2... it explanes the relativle god 3d score.... nice....

 

Yes.. but there is no any satifaction..., the plan is to built steping power suply to monitor changes and find the optimal source o curent... I know that after I finish this mode I will be bored... lol

 

Lol spoken like a true C90 owner I need a new mod soon too

 

Cutted the back door and all fits perfectly, mounted! With mounted back door temps are staying low.....
Now I'm going for real tests......
Pics will be in couple of ohres or so.. (tonight for sure).
Sorry King for waithing but now I have some other work to do.

 

We all are waiting!!!this sounds cool.
Thank you man

 

Probably I'l start new tread with complete tutorial but for now the pics are teling for it selfs...

I'ts not the easy mode and you haf to have couridge to cut some peaces but it works (tested on me).

I'm not responsible for any damage coused by folloving my example!

Don't espect that my resulting temp is rediculysle low but having in mind that originaly mounted 9600 at idle had 80-86 and now droped to 50-55 coveres the time and patience involved in this mode.
Having in mind that couple of modes were involved in compleate work I can't give the precision result gain in this main and moste important mode but think is obout 15 degreas.



Finaly here is the link of pics....

http://s627.photobucket.com/albums/tt352/evala1

I'm here for explanations (if you can manage with my poor english... lol)

 

Hello,

What a great job you did.
I have never seen any pictures with such a fine quality finish on a C90S.
You are a champion, yes.

I'm not sure to be able to do the same
A tutorial should be fine, if you have time to do it.

Hope you spend a nice weekend.
@+

 

Holy crap that is one hell of a mod!!! How will you put the cover back though? I guess That will need a further mod

Anyways very well done! Are there now 2 fans cooling the GPU? What are your load temps at an OC?

+rep

 

The other fan is option mode as you said that you will need one soon... lol. For me there is no need...
The back door are cutted out and fitted.. look the pics

 

Nice job, but I'm agree with King...
Perhaps you could put all fans in the same angle, and perhaps you could cut off all the turbo gear piece out, and redo in fiberglass...

There is also an other question, your final temps are 60 - 85 º C ?? or less after mod??

Thank you man great job!

 

I think I'm done with cutting (for now... lol). C90 it's ready now for use another long period... The best thing is that is compleatly portable, without cooling pad or other extra parts. I taked gpu-z tests before load and yust after load.
For load tests taked NFS-Shift becouze 3dMark doesn't take max of gpu card. The system is set to asus turbo gear oc and gpu to standard speeds 500/1250/800. Room temp is 23.

 

I am surprised at the difference between idle and max temps! 85C still seems a touch high for my liking. I guess you were hitting 100C before so a big improvement though. My C90P hits 76C load currently, getting a 8600M GT DDR3 very soon from asus so I expect to shave a few more degrees off by applying decent thermal compound.

 

with 3Dmark temps are under 76-78, so I tested while gaming NFS Shift in ful screen

 

try ati tool or furmark they will push your temps to max. My 76C is with ati tool after about 30 minutes artifact test. This is with 8600M GT DDR2 OCed at 565/1490/543 idles at the same clock speed at 51C. I can imagine DDR3 cards getting a little hotter but we shall see.

 

While "aluminium box" have more m3 air, it's for concluse that needs stronger vent. Now that isn't the problem becouse I can easily put extra vents in serial with the original vent of gpu

 

What obout GDDR3 temps? Softs are thelling me that is GDDR3....

 

sory.. I meant GDDR3

 

It's certant that whatever temps you are geting, with this mode you will probably drop it for another 15 degreas aprocsimatly becose I did. It used to be in load above 100 and in dle around 80-85

 

Great job evala!

I never used cooling pads either and always thought that we shouldn't have to. Your mod is very well thought out and looks good. The only thing I would suggest is to go ahead and do the same thing to the other 3 fans. That should make it look a little more complete. Great job though.

 

If I do that to CPU I will drop the temps compleatly and the quastion is what would happen to temps of GPU and would the wents start at all having in mind that the decrease of CPU temps would multiply by 3 times. CPU wuld be ice cold and it wil not be the triger to start vents....
Don't know but I will probably do the compleate mode yust for fun... lol

 

GREAT
and yes i would also like to see the improvement by doing it for all the vents. Just as nigthwalker sad it looks more complete.

I'm also waiting for Angel Marinov's Biosmod for optimizing the vents... maybe we've to get back to him now?

 

Certainly Isoree! Can't wait for a bios mod if it is possible!

 

At the moment I am sitting at 275/300 at idle while temp is 54. 3D mode is set to 550/1350/800 with temps in 3DMark06 (5771 score) still under 78. While playing NFS Shift in full screen temps are rising to 84-85. I decided to change clocks becouse temps are becoming lower and lower (seams that arctic silver 5 begines to addapting). With those settings in idle, visual interface of vista is 10 times beter, adleast while playing cards... lol
I tried higher clocks for 3D but they are not stable. Still useing 90W power suply....

 

Bios mode for fans is highly needed but original heatspreader can't take full advantage of vents while is in original configuraton of cooling bay becouse heatspreader is coverd by construction which is holding vents by 95%!!!
Just take out the GPU vent and you will see the problem. While out you wil need mybe one ohre to complete my mode if you have basic tools. You will yust need thin aluminium plate (my is 1mm thick and is perfect fit) with dimensions 42x120mm, some acryl silicone (cheap), 2 litle screvs are option. For thin aluminium plate you could use some can from caffe or so if you can't find clean 1mm perfect fit. So the mode is free... If you do not have trust and wondering could you be back on original configuration, Yes, yust close the gap made in construction with those thin plate and silicone and you will have better results allredy becose you made adleast 1-1,5 mm weider space for heatspreader. Main consirn in this mode is to leave no space holes (gaps) in newly made "vent case" so the vent could make "vacuum" to heatspreader (there for acryl silicon is used). Just for testing, you will not haf to cut back door emidiatly but when you see improvement you will be happy to do it! If you aren't fealing comfortable with doing this mode don't do it, but if you already done some modes (cooper plate, back door holes...) this will be peace of cake! I will atach the tutorial in couple of days with step by step pics and explanations "how to". If someone is willing to do this before my tutorial think that pics are theling for it selfs......
Again, I'm not responsibe for any damage that could be made, so care with extremly cosion especialy with electric tools you use...

 

HI !

I tryed to upgrade my C90s to a 9600m, but I have a problem...

I read all replies of this thread, but I didn't found any solution...

Here is a GPU-Z screen of my C90S, my card is not recognize by Windows 7, I have only a "standard VGA card"...



(as you can see my card is on PCI-E x16, and NightWalker's card is on PCI-E 2 x16, why ??)

I've seen on forums that I have to disable the standard VGA card and enable the 9600m with the bios, but I can't do this with the C90s.

Thank you for your answers !

EDIT : When I want to install the driver I get a message "unable to find drivers for your card".... (I've tryed a lot of drivers)
PS : Sorry for my english :s

 

well, i'm not sure if it will work with a card that has no installed drivers, but it's worth a shot:

go to your device manager (if you can't do this much, then ask someone else...)
then check in display adapters
even though your video card is listed as standard VGA, right click and get the properties up.
go to the details tab, then get the hardware ids listing.
check the second line, take good note of it, and then head to

http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/drivers

fill in the blanks and select what you need. if it still doesn't work, tell us. by taking a certified driver, you can be almost guaranteed that it will work...oh and don't bother selecting a different language than English. french drivers are usually terribly behind.

 

Ok, it works !

I found this solution on an other forum, and it's the good one !

Thank for your answer !!

 

you're very welcome.

on another note, i sent makve an email asking for a custom version of nibitor.
i offered him 50$ for his work if he accepts, and told him i understood the risks it could entail to work with only my bios image. i also told him i had no intention of going over stock clocks and that i was able to do a blind flash if anything went wrong. now all i have to do is wait for an answer. should i have precised that i needed to be able to rewrite the performance tables?

i also went as far as to contact Nvidia themselves, explaining the problem in as much detail as possible, submitted my bios as well just in case. I told them the video card is not normally supported by our computer, and that i understood very well that i was taking huge risks. i explained what needs to be done, told em this has been done on a previous card, the 9600M gt but that the program used is not compatible with the new gt 130M. i don't expect them to help me, to be honest, but hey, Christmas is coming soon, no?

maybe i'm taking big risks here, but I'm tired of just sitting down. I'm getting this card at full power no matter what.

 

I hope he responds to you Atvaark. If there was another program that could read the bios images, even in hex form, the performance tables could be changed that way as well. I've yet to find one though, and I am unsure if I could locate the tables that way.

Just don't give up, you'll get it at full speed soon. It took me 22 days and literally over 100 bios flashes before I finally figured out how to achieve full speed with new cards on the C90. I know you've been waiting longer, but hang in there.

 

hum...
i can already read the bios in a standard hex editor... i just don't know what to do with what i see on screen... and to be honest. i kind of lied a bit about knowing how to do a blind flash...hope some of you might be able to teach me before i get an answer, hehe...yeah. regular flashing ain't too complex, i did it with the 9600 a while ago, but since i formatted that floppy, i don't remember what was the full command. i just copy pasted and edited an autoexec.bat file to do the work. and i can't find it anymore.

 

Basically a blind flash is one you do without seeing what is on screen. You simply have to memorise what steps you have to take; literally key by key so you can do it without the usual on screen prompts that you would otherwise have if your GPU hadn't messed up

That mavke had better do a special edition for you after you have given him around $100!! I would then fob him off for being such an unhelpful miser by spreading it around to the rest of us nah only kidding. Still I wish he would just help you out. Anyways he ought to have several GT130M vbios's now I sent him one myself.

 

Hello!

I have another problem: the card works very well, but it warms... in fact ventilators do not try to cool it, they turn only if the processor warms, and the card rises in 100°C if I play a game.

What configuration advise me you for bios? I lowered the voltage to 1V, did I make well?
With the configuration
Core: 400mHz
Memory: 300MHz
Shader: 800MHZ
the card warms still too much...

 

We all here were working on our temps. First use a good thermal paste and thermal pads, second, you should replace the aluminium heatspreader for one made of copper, you have a guide in the first page, made by NightWalker. You can also drill some holes in the bottom case, and clean fans (GPU fan). All that should reduce all that hot.
Make sure the heatspreader, and heatsink are right fitted.

My 9600m GT is 1v, and works fine, but can't go any lower.
Is your card GDDR3? that clocks are like GDDR2...

good luck!
ps I did this mod on the bottom case:

 

Ok, I will try with the copper, for the moment I will stay with the 8600, 9600 is too hot.

What's the temp of your card ? (with copper and holes)

 

Kram, find my posts at page 67 and open the link with pics.... You will find plenty of modes there becouse I had the same problem. Now at idle sitting at 55C (275/300) and at full load around 80C (550/800/1325)

 

Wooow !!

You did a very great job !!
I think I won't be able to do such a thing....
I go to see what I can make with a copper plate, because I have no tools to cut it.

 

I didn't mod the fans, but I have very decent temps. 62ºC on IDLE and 84ºC MAX full load, without any cooling pad. My clocks are 650 / 900 / 1700.

You should start for the copper heatspreader. I used c90p heatsink, but it's needed some mod also.
cheers!