13.3" Monster from ASUS -- F6Ve-B1

does anyone have a good idea if whether or not a future model would have an led screen or other refinements and how soon it might come out?

 

it begs the question - two high powered notebooks - which one will be better built/produce better in game experience?

Dell Studio XPS 1340 VS. F6VE-B1?

Dell has 9500gs vs. Asus 4570...which one would be better?

 

Actually the dell doesn't have a 9500gs, it actually has a thing called 9500GE its basically SLI with 9400 + 9200 cards that can both always be on and the notebook thinks that its actually one card when it is really two.

The 4570 and 9500ge 3dmark wise are around the same the problem though IS that i read a comparison between a 9500gs vs the 9500ge and the GS was better the GE hung well though. The 4570 vs 9500gs will be interesting to see but if the benchmarks are any indication this notebook should be able to take the 9500gs. So yes, the 4570 will be a better choice.

 

Based on this review of the desktop equivalents (9400GT and 4550), the 4570 should be about 25% faster than the 9500 gs. It's also got faster AA.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/HD_4550_passive


EDIT: Also, Red Dragon's simultaneous post above points out that the Dell isn't a 9500 gs.

 

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Dell-Studio-XPS-13-Notebook.14081.0.html

that what im talking about looks at the benchmarks the youll see that the 9500ge has some flaws

 

Hopefully we will see the new AMD 4830/4860 series GPU's on this laptop, that should solve any heat issues it might of had going with a 4650 series GPU, like in the slightly bigger N81.(Not saying there are any overheating problems with any of these laptops, just saying that it might of not have been possible to put in a 4650 GPU in a smaller laptop because of some thermal budget).

 

With the specs that the 4830/60 are packing, even with the smaller process, I think the thermal envelope will be higher than the 4650/70. Doubt you will see the 4830/60 in less than a 15.4".

 

A very similar model in the 14.1" format with LED screen:


N81Vp-C1

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220510


CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo T9550 2.66GHz
Screen: 14.1" (1366x768 LED Backlight)
Memory: 4GB DDR2
Hard Disk: 320GB 7200RPM
Graphics Card: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650 with 1GB DDR3 VRAM

current price: $1299.99


edit: sorry, this has already been posted before ...
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=351775

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How sure are you about that ......anything is possible I think we will see it in a 14" form factor.....Just sayin

 

The MR 4850/4870 has a TDP rating of 60-75 watts, and even with the 40nm process, I don't see the TDP being any lower than 40 watts. These are going to be MXM III cards, and will have to be tied to at least a 15" notebook.

 

Don't be so sure, I think you will eventually see it in a smaller laptop here's hoping it's in the F6Ve,now that would be sweet + no one knows how hot/cool these new cards will run until they come out.
I think ASUS likes to surprise us sometimes
Anybody have a clue as to when they are going to be released.
Hey GenTech any news for a GPU upgrade to the AMD 4650 or even better the AMD 4830/4860 in this laptop?Or maybe a refresh to these GPU's in the works?

 

Exactly. The HD 4650 has a TDP of 25W. I doubt the HD 4830 will have less than a 40W TDP considering it has double the shaders. Heck, the HD 3850 has same number of shaders as the HD 4650 just a 256-bit interface and it already is 55W...

 

well in general i was actually talking about the 4830 cards in 14" form factor not the other higher end 4xxx cards.

 

I am talking about the 4830. The 4650 in the N81V can already get as hot as 96C, and the 4830 has double the shader count and higher clock speed. Unless the casing is a huge chunk of copper, there is no way it's feasible in a 14" platform.

 

Are you sure about that ? not according to my test.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=358071

 

That's overclocked, haven't try that yet.

According to OCCT:

TESTS DESCRIPTION
GPU:3D
Will make your graphic card real hot- especially the GPU.

 

OCCT is a program that puts load on your components and monitors its stability and temperature. I don't see anything in that article that states he was overclocking.

 

Ok, I tested OCCT myself and this is what I got:



I guess that program really makes GPU runs real hot.

 

WOW! Yeah it probably is the program.....thats not possible

 

Whoa! Those are some high temps, how long did the test run?and did the GPU's cool quickly?
It looks like this laptop is going to need a cooler.

 

It try to push the temperature to max I think.
But the actual gaming or 3DMark doesn't run this hot.

About 10 minutes. according to the program it does make GPU run real hot:

GPU:3D

* Home-made test written in Direct3d that will make your GPU really hot - this test is similar to ATITool and Furmark (thanks to Furmark and JegX for his support and for the aborted partnership )
* Will make your graphic card real hot - especially the GPU
* Has an error detection mode similar to ATITool
* SLI and Crossfire support (Just enable Fullscreen mode !)


http://downloads.guru3d.com/OCCT-(OverClock-Checking-Tool)-2.0.0a-download-1880.html


Yes it did cool down right away once I exit the program.

 

Thanks for the quick answer GenTech!
That's great news, but how loud are the fans running on full steam? and any chance getting one(AMD 4650) in a F6Ve-B1?Please!

 

So what score did you get in 3Dmark06 with overclocking like that? Also how much it would be if you ship it to UK? Do you? I mean with all the taxes and shipping.

 

mmmm I actually stopped it after 2 min ... since the temps did not continue to climb and I did not want to see if they went higher

 

thanks gen

Yeah Seph i dont think id like it to go higher either

 

Does any one have one yet?

 

Stress programs put your stuff under 100% load and most of the time thats not possible and if a game put it in that state it would not be locked at 100% for extended periods of time, just for a while.

GPU-Z has an artifact tester built into it thats also a really good test, it will put 100% load on the cards and test for errors.

The only game I ever played that could get my cards even close to hot like a stress program was Crysis. Also keep in mind the actual temp data may be wrong and needs a proper offset since its a new model it may not have a sensor with the offset programed in the temp software yet.

Now evidence that the software is not reading the cards sensors right yet is in Kens screenshot, did you see the fan speed? It said 1 RPM!

So that leaves us with 2 options

> The sensor data is not correct
> The fan is broken and thats why it was so hot


Im glad I just found this new program though, the flaw in ATI Tool and all the other stress programs I have seen so far was no crossfire/sli support, but this new one has it so I can stress both my cards on my desktop now.

 

I dont think the sensor data is correct as you stated.

 

The Mobility 4830 is manufactured at 40 nm instead of 55 nm like the 4650. So if they engineer it for efficiency, it should run cooler than an equivalent chip at 55 nm would. It's quite possible that the 4830 will do quite well when it comes to performance per watt.

Whether that will get them in the 25 watt or so envelope needed for 14-inch laptops, it's hard to tell. It should be released Real Soon Now. Until it's released, we're just throwing out theories.

 

This is what i was thinking as well smaller size = Less power(sometimes) and best of all cooler..

I wont be surprised if we see one 4830 in a 14" year end or maybe even sooner.
As long as they can make it a little thick they should be able to put some stuff in there.

 

You are right about the sensor data is not correct Vicious, I didn't even notice it said 1 RPM, the was definitely running, not sure if it was at full speed but was quiet.

 

That's exactly what I was thinking Red Dragon! Great point

 

So... this one, the N80vn or wait for the upgrade to both?

 

Or you can buy them both Well the N81 is out so you can look at that. The F6ve is a good notebook though you should consider picking it up.

 

I just bought the F6Ve, I was in the same boat though. Buy the 13" for the weight or go for the bigger 14 with the better gaming specs. I opted for the first. Now as soon as it shows up I will put it through its paces. Also, I have three trips in a row so good time to give it a workout.

I have to carry a work laptop and another laptop for personal use. The netbooks just do not get it done and I don't want to lug around a huge laptop such as 15.4", been there and done that.

It was a toss up between this one, the N81VP, and the Dell Studio XPS 13. I think I made the right choice in the F6Ve and next few weeks should bear that out.

 

Hey donuteatinsob,

Can you do some benchmarks on the temperature of the GPU and the CPU?
Use RivaTuner to check GPU and use Core Temp for the CPU. Stress them with something like Crysis (download the demo) and please tell me the temperature. Also, can you tell us if it is possible to play games with your laptop on your lap?

Also, how long does the battery last for when web surfing?

Sorry if it's too much to ask . Cos it is amazing how they fit such a beefy graphics card in a 13".

 

Well I bought it, but its not here yet

I plan on going over it in detail once it shows up though. I'm hoping it shows by the end of this week but we shall see.

 

Could you please let us know when you get the notebook?

 

Finally someone has pulled the trigger!
Congrats, and yes please do some game benchmarks, this laptop is in my crosshairs.

 

i have a question for the owners.

http://www.xoticpc.com/laptop/F6VE/F6VE3.jpg

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220495

if you look at xoticpc's picture, nothing is sticking it out in the back.
however, in some of newegg's picture, battery is sticking out in the back.
which is it? is newegg's equipped with 12-cell battery or something?
let me know.
thanks.

 

If you look at the specs on newegg, it says:

"Battery 6-cell lithium ion".

You shouldn't trust the pictures at all.

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so it doesnt stick out in the back?

 

I don't think so. I have never seen a 6-cell battery sticking out in the back. Generally 9 or 12-cells stick out.


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Newegg's pictures are almost always completely accurate because they take their own pictures of their inventory. Xotica's picture is generic, so it is almost certainly using a 3-cell battery because that's what ASUS does with most of their pictures.

6-cell usually does stick out a tiny bit like in the pictures, but you can't even notice it imo... if you look at the ASUS N20A, its 6-cell sticks out a bit more. And yes, even for the N20A, ASUS uses 3-cell batteries for its generic pictures. And I'll agree that it's misleading before you say it.

Here are some pictures so you know what I mean, with a 6-cell -- it comes standard with a 6-cell, you have to buy a 3-cell as an aftermarket accessory.


Here's how ASUS markets it with a 6-cell and their generic pictures.


Btw, Acer does the same thing with their netbooks. Their 6-cell sticks out a bit but the picture they use -- even while selling the 6-celled version, has a 3-cell flush on it. One way to tell how it actually looks in real life is to see the pictures taken by Newegg rather than looking at other shops.

 

Yeah the 3 cell is flush, the 6 cell sticks out some and the 9-cell more.

The videos here: http://1toppc.com/Merchant2/merchan...de=F6VE-B1&Category_Code=AS13&Product_Count=0
were made with the 6-cell so they should give an accurate impression.

BTW do we have F6Ve owners who have received their machine at this point? I'd be very interested in some temperature results from them...

 

Dagnabit! Its still not here, even though they said 2-5 days

I was hoping to have it by Friday so I could take it on the road next week, Guess I'll just have to wait till I get back.

 

That's too bad

 

Just wondering if we have any updates on any userse who might've gotten the F6Ve-B1?

I'd be highly interested in hearing about the notebook and specifically about the performance of the HD4500 series. On paper they seem really weak, but AMD seems to say they'll be decent GPUs. Temperatures would also be great

 

Again have a look at GenTechPC's page I linked above, it has real-life temperature, gaming, and performance benchmarks.

In native res the 3DMark06 is around 3150 pts. Which is not so bad at all, considering this is a 13.3" notebook. This is most likely with the stock configuration which means many apps are running in the background, so it's possible the score can be improved somewhat.