ASUS G51j-A1 some benchmarks available

yes I was surprised by that ~600 price upgrade too since I heard it would be around 200 only, and I had to drop the idea of 820 in the end when I placed my preorder today even I understand that it is the most 'un-upgradable' part in terms of warranty.

Anyway, the ram is hopefully upgradable and I may add another ssd for raid 0...
Any benchmarks for raid 0 intel x25m on asus notebooks / i7 notebooks yet?

 

do u guys want a stock 500/800/1250 1080p benchie from me? so we can know?

ALSO BIG NOTE!!!! when i ran 186.82 drivers, i scored ~10800 running OC'd @ 585/940/1475. Yet i switched to 185.85 and i gained +1400PTZ, so there is a possible chance that his drivers, ie 186.81 are slowing his GPU scores. Mine boosted trememdously just by drivers.

EDIT: The drivers only make change for when Overclocked so disregard the top part.

i will post a 1080p stock clocks 185.85 score with my C2Q @ 2.0GHz to make a fair CPU score comparison. also post some temps....

 

alrite here they are...

1080P

Total 8674
GPU 1 - 3820
GPU 2 - 3353
CPU - 2927


1280x1024

Total 10080
GPU 1 - 4336
GPU 2 - 4276
CPU - 2963

ok so over here you can evidently see that the G51J is indeed performing how it should, it is normal. notice how the difference between 1080p runs is ~100ptz. that means an external program such as AV could cause that. it is def. not "under"-underclocked. The G51J is going to be a good deal @ 1450USD w/ the i7 720QM. the i7 will murder dual core applications and 4-core capable ones with HT tech.

PS. YES elemental, i realize my temps are FAIL...

 

No retailer has made it clear to whether the G51J is downclocked or not. But from the information I have, the i7-720QM outperforms the Q9000 in all instances. The G51J should be getting more. Have a look at this link. If you look at the benchmarks, the 720 outperforms the core 2 architecture.

3dMark06


3dmark Vantage


Those benchmarks were with a GTX 260M.

 

Are you guys joking? You're fighting over ~100 pt in 3dMark score and that translate to what? maybe 1-2 fps difference in games? And the Quad core will murder the dual on serious apps. Add to that a lower price and some of you still think the old model is better? you guys are nuts. ;-P

 

The top benchmarks are 1280x800, so probably it will get more.

 

im talking strictly GPU, i never even mentioned C2Q murdering Corei7 or the opposite...what im saying is that the GPU score for G51J are same as b4, keep in mind this is ASUS'GTX260m, the underclocked version. My C2Q is also good for my needs. and no ****, ofc new tech is > than old tech ie i7 vs C2Q. The i7 murders C2Q in single/dual threads but in 4 threads it isnt THAT much better. better, but not worth crying over. we are both individual owners, kinda like ps3 vs 360, so we can stop this here. i know for a fact that i7 is better...

 

just for SnG, i ran 1280x800 @ GTX 260M stock clocks & Q9000 @ 2.47GHz...scored 12480...slightly higher than a i7-820QM. altho we all know that 3Dmark wont mean crap, and with programs that support HT, i7 wins, programs that are only 2/1 thread capable, i7 wins.

also take into consideration price: performance. i got this lappy for 1252USD, pretty dam good for the price. 1450USD for an i7-720QM + underclocked yet OC'able GTX 260M is also a good price. Then if you want even better perf./quality, you bump it up to ~1600usd for the W860CU, which IMO is the best machine of all of them in terms of GPU/CPU power. overall i liek my G51 tho, it has backlit kb, better kb, numpad, dual HDD, nicer aesthetics IMO, and better price than clevo/sagers (same specs as mine cept the CPU/GPU, i7/280m, comes to $2140, upgrades were screen, RAM, hdd--> 640gb 5400rpm , logitech MX518 to compare with razer copperhead given with A1, and 2yr P&L warranty, and an OS!!). the downside to "my" G51 is bad GPU cooling, that is the ONLY flaw that i experience. no kb lag for me, no bothersome LED in class so...

also, where exactly do u get a Clevo W860CU w/ 260m? i thought they came with 2 80M...

 

Awesome! Thanks for posting that! I don't think the temps are that bad at all on the GPU. 61C is fine by me..

Gotta keep looking, but I'm really having a tough time now justifying the extra $300 for the Sager/W80CU just to get the 280M.

 

It depends on who's selling the notebook. North American sellers will only sell it with the GTX 280M while other sellers in Europe and Asia may sell it with the GTX 260M as the base.

 

lol that is the temp as it lowering down to 2D clocks, the average at load is 80-95C for all G51 owners, and idle is <60C. its fine if the system wont die out, but its a flaw becuz most ppl will think it will.

also...wow srsly europeans only get 260m? that sucks, 280M ftw, 16 more unified shaders + higher clocks...

 

I'm not understanding you. Lowering down to 2D clocks? You mean lowered to stock clocks (stock for G51, not 260M)? And that the average temp at load for stock clocks is 80-95C, for most G51 models?

Looks like from this post, the guy overclocked to 580/980/1450 and was just under 90 after running furkmark.

 

@ stock ASUS clocks, you can expect <87C GPU, at 550/950/1375, you can expect 92C and 585 or higher on core, you can expect 92-97C depending on games. each GPU can underclock when not in a graphically intense situation, which is why the temp drops, cuz its lowering its clock from the one you set it at (550/950/1375-->200/120/500). this is becuz of a utility by Nvidia called POWERMIZER.

 

I got it now.. Thanks for the explanation!

 

If the 820 upgrade wasn't so retardedly expensive, the ASUS would be very tempting. As it stands, I can't decide between the g51j-a1 and the np8690.

ASUS:
+ MUCH better looking (IMO)
+ Cheaper (with base CPU)
+ Dual HHDs
+ Better warranty

Sager:
+ 280M
+ Better cooling (presumably)

 

haha same problem we ALL GO through mate. altho between the W860CU, i really love that 280m, so i would def. go with that. altho im not really sure, ive seen a lot of patriotic ASUS owners commenting about clevo HDD heat. idk about the topic much, but its worth researching if b4 you buy it. any clevo owners feel free to clean up that issue, whether its for only the NP8662, or all of em. idk, i never really looked around.
EDIT...no HDD temp problem as seen in the benchmark section from XoticPC

i bought my asus cuz it was only 1252USD, had alot of nifty features i wanted. the - for ASUS = bad cooling, teh - for sager = not as much "stuff' with it, nor the coolness factor.

in the end of the day, with no discounts, if your buying @ xoticpc, go with the W860CU.

edit...just looking over this laptop, i have a few gripes with it, nothing too detrimental, but somethings that mite annoy me. a quick pro/con as it appears to me
- not as much value for what comes with (asus has many "extras")
- NO OS included in price, adds another 90USD to the somewhat high price it already has compared to the G51J
- not as cool design exterior, altho interior looks nice IMO!
- its 2" thick
- no backlit kb
- no dual HDD
- 1lb heavier than G51J
+ BEAUTIFUL TEMPS HOW I ENVY!!!
+ 280M FTW!!
+ Awesome construction, quality of laptop

if i had 2000USD to spend, the W860CU would win. if i had 1500USD +/- 200USD, then i would choose the G51J, you are getting better value for money. with 2000USD, you can upgrade the W860CU with other components to match what the G51J already comes with.


With 2000USD budget, i would get this one def.

 

The HDD heat issue was only for the M860TU and has been fixed on the W860CU.

 

O rly

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Yeah, you can upgrade the Sager to compare with some of the extras the ASUS has- but for me a single 640GB HDD is not the same as two 320's in RAID 1. I'm paranoid, not klepto

Plus I haven't had a very good experience with Sager, so the aesthetics and superior warranty of the ASUS is what is making the decision difficult, not the money. Heck, I spent $3500 on my current Sager. I wish Clevo would take a bit more pride in the exterior design of their machines. Why build a Ferrari then put a Camry body on it for crying out loud...

 

being from Canada, Sager is pretty much out of the question for me, since getting it sent for warranty would be a huge pain. At least for ASUS there are service centers which i can take to, rather than shipping everywhere.

 

I agree with you about Clevo's previous designs not being too attractive in-comparison to the hardware, but the new SAGER NP8690, SAGER NP8760 and SAGER NP9850 are pure beauty in design.

 

XoticPC released a video of G51J, cooling setup is similar still one fan, but different, dual pipes on the cpu, but gpu looks the same.

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Hi Abula, this will be a bit sidetracking, but how does the intel x25m g2 go with your machine? how long does it take to load into the OS?

 

Nice video.

Is the cooling fan different? Seems to be a little more beefed up.

I like some changes, not crazy about some others externally speaking. I think it was a good idea to move the usb port that was right beside the vent.

Looking forward to seeing some gaming videos.

 

So comparing the cooling system with my current system, G50VT to the G51J the temps are pretty much the same? Should be lower with the IC paste on CPU and GPU right?

 

I wonder if that fan in the G51J is stronger than the one in the G51 RX05?

 

Heh. If it is, I'd get a G51J heat module and a G50/G51vx heat module and attempt to switch up the fans.

 

Thats exactly what I thought of doing. We need to check that with the people who will get a G51J, maybe it will be another temp-lowering mod...
Everest can detect fan speeds, we could use it to check.

 

The CPU is in a different position on the motherboard. Plus, what is going to cool the northbridge. Also, the turbine casing has different anchoring points for the screws. Good thinking, geniuses.

/ruining hopes.

 

I hope there's still enough room to add on some of those copper heat sinks. I'm curious to know now since we might end up getting this instead of the M15x. Dual Hard drives FTW!

Thanks for the video post!

 

What I'm talking about, if it's possible, is to somehow transplant the G50/G51vx heatpipe onto the G51j fan. Hence why I said I would get both sets if the G51j has a better fan.

 

The G51J turbine casing has a shorter exhaust nozzle, in which can easily be sealed with the G51VX CPU and GPU radiator with a piece of cardboard so that no CFM is leaked. Nevertheless, I don't think the G51J fan will be better as fan speed and current output to the fan is still dictated by the ACPI. The G51J fan will still need to be held down onto the motherboard somehow as the screw placements are different. Tape works well.

Soviet's checklist.

Better fan: debunked.
Heatsink: debunked.
Dreams of G51 users: shattered.
Victory: flawless.

 

I concur with that. I was thinking about getting G51J. Agreed Asus=Failure.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=5418604#post5418604

G51j review. also, the 3dmark stock score they received was ~1,000 points higher than that of XoticPC

 

ok, since it doesnt look like BB is going to get an i7 asus anytime soon I decided to preorder a 51j from newegg. I was approved for credit too, so that's a no brainer!

 

Oh well, it was a fun idea.

 

what is the refresh rate of the LCD?

 

oh, you just reminded me. I forgot to ask about that since I was overwhelmed by the fact that 160GB intel ssds are sold out =(

Anyone have any information on the refresh rate of G51J?
There is a submodel that has 120Hz which can be purchased with an optional nVidia 3D vision glasses I suppose.

The submodel is "G51J-SZ028V"

 

I'll give ya the 9850, that puppy would make Alienware do a double take and is certainly the best looking Clevo ever. As for the 8690 and 8760, I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but they look pretty generic to me.

 

video is up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxUydFthdTs&feature=player_embedded

boy, is that lid ugly....

 

I have a question. Does the ASUS global warranty get void if I upgrade the thermal compound, the processor to 820QM and wireless card through xotic pc?

 

from what I understand, it doesn't because the computer is sent to Asus for the upgrades.

 

no, its not sent to asus, the resellers are certified by asus to do the modifications.

 

i concur...the best looking one IMO is the X1A/X2A/A1, idk its grown on me. followed by RX05 white, then the plain black G50Vt-A1, then the G50Vt-X5 lighting strike/G51J. those last two are just horribly designed.

also noticed a few things in the video...

• it has an EAX 4.0 sticker, new creative software embedded or is it the same?
• no USB on the backside i like them on the backside, easy for cooler hookup, mamba dock/other wireless objects
• Rearrangment of left side, now there are two USB, SD card slot on front
  
• White LEDs instead of Blue

 

I much prefer the white of the RX05. I will be replacing mine eventually.

 

haha really? i looked at it in bestbuy, i didnt like it, the blue alien design matches my blue mamba dock, blue mamba light, blue copperhead, blue LED G51 lights, and blue 25CM fan on my aeolus. lol

if i ever get new G5x series in the future, and it has the same body design, i gonig to keep the top of my A1 lid and transplant it to the G5x.

btw haha god some new 3dmark06 scores, 12551, so close to joker's 12587, and he is on XP!!!

 

my g51j is gonna have a paint job once warranty is over. I'm thinking a translucent black over the current design, with a flat clear coat.

 

lol u gonna actually paint it? would that void warranty? its physically messing with the computer, yet is not detrimental. i guess it wouldn't void...

 

so does that mean that the warranty will be voided by Asus? According to the review it states:

"The only "warranty void if removed" sticker is covering one of the screws used to tension the processor heatsink, meaning that if you want to change out the processor or graphics card you will be forfeiting your 2-year warranty"

So based on this my guess is upgrading the processor to the 820QM will void it. But im still not sure if getting the new thermal paste will also void it.

 

You is the end user, the person buying the laptop. Asus resellers are certified to do these modifications, so your warranty would remain in tact. that is why if you look at the bottom you have the option of extending your asus warranty by 1 year. If the warranty was voided by changing the CPU, then it would cause a conflict when going through with the purchase.