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    ASUS Zenbook UX32LN (Nvidia GT 840M)

    Discussion in 'Asus' started by ufomagnet, Mar 17, 2014.

  1. Meditech

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    It's activated now, I did it over the phone. ;) Thanks for your help, I'm on to do a clean install following Picazsoo's guide.
     
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    Sounds good, so you are going to have to activate it again lol. :thumbsup:
     
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    Okay, I've come across a problem here. My USB stick is not showing up in the BIOS. I'm thinking it has been formatted incorrectly, as UEFI can only detect FAT32 usb drives, while the windows 7 usb/dvd tool formats it with NTFS.

    Any thoughts on how to proceed?

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    EDIT: Okay, got it. If you want to install windows in UEFI follow Picazsoo's guide, but instead of step 7)-8) follow this guide: http://www.blogsolute.com/create-windows-8-usb-bootable-pendrive-uefi-boot/25988/. When you've extracted the ISO to the USB pen drive continue with Picazsoo's guide from step 9).

    Essentially you have to create a UEFI bootable USB flash drive, but the windows 7 usb/dvd tool will NOT do this. Follow the guide and everything will be fine. My laptop is now working perfectly, fast boot and secure boot is enabled, windows activated immediately etc etc.
     
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    I did what you suggest, but I have a problem at step 16. Not sure why though?

    At step 16, when I try to install the product key. It throws an error and said: Error: 0xC004F069 On a computer running Microsoft Windows non-core edition, run "slui.exe 0x2a 0xC004F069" to display the error text

    Any suggestion?
    I
     
  5. Meditech

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    Hmm, I don't know. Did you follow the instructions exactly, running command prompt as admin etc? Are your region and time settings correct and synced? (could be the problem, according to this: Error while activating Windows 8 Pro using MSDN Key)
     
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    I know what I did wrong now. My version of preinstalled window is Windows 8.1 Single Language which is the cheaper version so I find ISO for the version and then continue from 7. The good thing is it autodetect my product key after I install from USB.

    Note: I bought UX32LN in Thailand. i7-4500U, 500GB with 8GB SSD, Nvidia GT840M, Ram 4 GB (I add another 4GB). The price is about 1100 USD. I got the sleeves and the dongles. I will post pictures later after I'm done enjoying it. :D
     
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    To all: How's the battery life on this? It has a pretty hefty 50Wh battery, so I'm curious if anyone has tried tweaking Optimus to better improve battery life.

    Singapore, HK and Taiwan should have them with US QWERTY layout. The latter two might have extra bits printed on the keys to help with Chinese input.
     
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    For those who bought the version with the Kingston SSD and switched it to a better SSD, was it worth?

    Thanks in advance!
     
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    You can't really tweak optimus since it shuts the chip down to the lowest possible state when not called to be used.
     
  10. yslee

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    Well, there must be some kind of configuration option, like forcing it to use the HD4400 instead of the GT840m during certain times. I'm curious if the battery life can be stretched to 8 hours outside of gaming.
     
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    You can force it to use the HD in the nvidia control panel but unless you have a program using the nvidia chip by mistake it wont make a difference.
     
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    Speedwise? No difference is hardly noticeable. It still has about 470Mbps readspeeds, write speeds are lower at around 360Mbps.

    I switched since I needed more than 128Gb. Now running 500Gb Samsung 840 EVO.
     
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    So the write speed actually decreases if you change the SSD? That's a bummer, was also thinking of upgrading to a larger capacity Samsung evo.
     
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    EVO isn't much of performance product, best to go Pro if you want more write speed.
     
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    I depends on the type of writing you do too, depending on what was being tested 360MB/sec seems a little low.
     
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    All SSD slows down when they are filled up, same as HDD.
     
  17. OC-Freak

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    470Mb/s read/360Mbs Write was in AS SSD testprogram with the included 128Gb SanDisk X110 SSD. Mistake on my side on brand :p

    Not tested the 840 EVO yet, but the EVO is "affordable performance" so it won't be the fastest performer, but for the price paid it's excellent, only matched by Crucial MX100 as far as I know.
     
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    Yes, it's very good for its price and class.
     
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    I was looking at the power draw from Notebookcheck's reviews and overall it seemed to be able to do 8 hours with its 50Wh battery, except it didn't. I was wondering if anyone managed to get 8 hours with their UX32LN's in practice with some tweaking.
     
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    That must had been done using the most radical settings.
     
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    I can do around 6hrs on battery with wifi enabled. That is with about 40% brightness (perfect for indoor use), surfing web, a bit of watching youtube vids and playing mp3 with foobar player.

    For 8hrs you'd have to turn off wifi and dim screen all the way down.

    The UX32LA with the crappy 1366 x 768 screen can do 8hrs according to notebookcheck.net, mostly due to the screen/lower resolution I guess.
     
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    The UX32LA in their tests actually did TEN hours, 10:41 to be exact. NBC standardises brightness at ~150 cd/m2, so I was scratching my head at the difference. If it were 8 hours I can understand the difference, but at 10 is a bit hard to swallow. Still, thanks for letting me know you get about 6 hours - that seems to be the average practical battery life.
     
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    You are right!

    Maybe there is some added electronics around the Nvidia GT840M that eats power..... battery is the same in LA and LN models.
     
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    hey guys, I too bought the ux32ln (840M) from singapore. I followed the instructions word by word and clean installed windows 8 on my laptop. Problem is that I am getting much, much worse battery. Roughly 4 hours with wifi, power saver, and brightness at step 4/11. battery care shows the power draw is about 12,000 mW. I have installed the nvidia drivers, and have set the prefrences to make it run the intel graphics to save power. I have also disabled search indexing, but alas no hope. I think i want to go back to the build that asus provided(the orignal os). I have stupidly deleated my recovery disk, so please, please someone with a UX32ln please give me a stock image by uploading it to google drive, or something. If not please give me possible sollutions realated to a fresh install to improve the battery life.

    Thnaks, all help apriciated
     
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    Hi,

    my laptop broke. Don't worry - it wasn't a Zenbook.

    Now, I really urgently need a new laptop and want to buy a UX32LN. But sadly it isn't available anymore ANYWHERE in Germany or Austria. (Or elsewhere for that matter. Just saw it on eBay.co.uk, but that would mean I get no warranty. Which is ).

    I read somewhere that Asus stopped producing them because they were not satisfied with the SSDs. Can someone confirm this?

    The UX32LN has everything I want. A great matte IPS HD screen, thin, light, decent battery, powerful, a fantastic price and it also looks great. A dream machine! Would want the i7 version, but would be fine with the i5 at this point. Whatever is available. Does someone know why they don't sell it anymore?

    I made a "suggest me a laptop post" that didn't get a reply, because no similar machine exists? Or does it?

    Please, recommend me a laptop that is a good substitute for the UX32LN! (The LA version doesn't qualify, because the screen res is simply unacceptable.)

    Thanks
     
  26. OC-Freak

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    They are still manufatured for the scandinavian market at least.

    My guess is that they will push the UX303LN instead, since it's basically the same computer (with higher screen res), but asus sells it for a lot more, earning a lot more per computer, since manufacturing cost is about the same (a little extra for the screen only). Good business for Asus.

    The Acer s3-392g is similar, but has weaker GPU (GT735M) and glare touch screen - still an option. Great IPS screen, decent batterytime etc.
     
  27. SH_DY

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    How do you know they are still manufactured?

    It has a worse screen in my opinion. The good matte screen is one of the reasons why the UX32LX is currently listed as the best subnetbook on Notebookcheck, which is pretty much the best review site that is around.

    I really want a matte screen, that's why I underlined this spec in my post. Touchscreen is useless for me. I see it as a toy. Otherwise I'd probably buy a Macbook, because their screens are better (plus far longer battery times.). I really hate Apple and don't want to go down that route. I guess you might be right. The laptop was too popular and they killed it to push the higher spec. model. It seemed extremely cheap, too. So why would someone spend a few hundred euros more on something that is only slightly better.
     
  28. Neo69

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    Well I just received this email from Asus:

    "Bedauerlicherweise sind die UX32LN Modelle bereits end of life.

    Die Nachfolgereihe die UX303LN wird voraussichtlich ab Ende Juli/Anfang August im Handel verfügbar sein. "

    which roughly translates to:

    "sorry, UX32LN is end of life. The successor UX303LN will be available end of july/start of august"
     
  29. SH_DY

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    I just saw your post on Notebookcheck, haha. Oh well, that sucks. A real nightmare.

    How can a laptop have a life circle of only 3 months. They were released in March and by the end of June all of them were sold out. F**k.

    btw: If you live near the border or have friends in the Czech Republic you could possibly get it there. The czech keyboard is identical to an UK one aside from some different secondary buttons. They sell them with weird specs, though. So watch out. I even saw i3 versions.

    There is one that might be interesting for some i7 with a 500+8 GB Hybrid HDD and 6 GB RAM.
    Most shops sell the laptop for 25999 CZK (or lower) and Asus offers a 2500 CZK cashback. That makes 856.506 Euro. Extremely cheap!

    ... you can not get the cashback if you do not have a bank account there I guess, but you can order it to Germany through some special parcel delivery companies that are by the border and redirect the parcel to German post.

     
  30. OC-Freak

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    I don't, but they got new stock in @ komplett.no/mpx.no ( https://www.komplett.no/k/ki.aspx?sku=808906) less than a week ago after having been sold out. Could have been from stock that asus had already manufactured though.

    And I totally agree, the screen is the best part of the whole computer. FullHD is perfectly fine for 13.3", I'd even be happy with something like 1600 x 900 too for 13" as long as it was an good screen.
     
  31. SH_DY

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    Guess I might order one in Czech then. I can live with the funny keyboard, because I know where the letters are anyway. The Asus warranty is international.

    Sadly they all only have the SSHDs - are they very noticeably slower just with regular use? Booting and starting Apps. Or just when transferring files?

    Changing the SSHD to an SSD and/or adding more RAM would void the warranty as far as I know so I don't want to risk it at the beginning.
     
  32. Neo69

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    Cyberport has a refurbished notebook in stock right now, the i7 version for 1049€ if you can live with that...and they already take orders for the UX303LN that should be in stock on 07th of august. So there is light at the end of the tunnel.
     
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    I don't want the 303, because I like the matte screen.

    I saw that refurb 2 days ago, but it wasn't available yesterday anymore. Nice to see it is back. Hmm.

    Only a 50€ price reduction for a refurb doesn't seem that great. I am not sure what a refurbishment means to them. I asked them if the laptop shows any wear and if they replaced the battery, but I have not received a response to that email yet.
     
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    Hey, I was asked to expand regarding the laptop charger; here are two photos of the adapter: AC Adapter - Imgur

    Tbh I'm not sure what the other guy meant, but what I'm talking about is the power brick not being separate, but molded into the AC power plug. Potentially somebody could walk into the cord, thereby breaking the power brick. I think a separate power brick would be better. However, I have had no problems with it yet, and it is not at all a reason not to get the laptop. As for the charger socket being tight...the AC power plug was tight initially, but after having plugged it in a few times it has loosened a bit and is now perfect. Obviously I can't say anything about whether or not it will get even more loose...I hope not ;) The laptop socket seems fine to me.

    All in all so far I'm very happy with the laptop, only problems are: one key is slightly skewed, flexing when you push on the bottom (e.g. if the laptop is closed and you grab it around the back, you can feel it flexing on the bottom middle part), and battery life is not that good (with wifi on it says 6 hours, I haven't run it down yet though so can't confirm it). I looove the screen, really nice compared to my old laptop. :)
     
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    Just an update, the problem still persits, but i have done way to many battery tweaks including ones in regedit, but I can only take it down to 11,000 mv power draw, much more than the stock os. If you think that the fresh install has impacted the battery please let me know, and even better if you can upload your recovery image, or make a recovery os image using the asus softaware. Thanks a ton
     
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    Hello everybody.

    I bought this laptop and I immediately took the SSD out and through the help of a free tool called "Macrimum Reflect" I cloned the original 128 GB SSD to a new 256 GB SSD. This left some spare space on the bigger disk of course.

    I inserted the new SSD in my laptop and it boots fine. BUT if I press F9 doing BIOS post, then the computer will fail loading the recovery partition and Windows as well.

    I guess my question is; has anybody successfully cloned the original drive to another harddrive?

    I wrote the local ASUS support about this, who just replied "We don't support hardware changes". - not the support ASUS is worldwide known for, I must say I was quite dissapointed..
     
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    What's the stock power draw and what tool do you use to determine it?
     
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    I used batterybar, and I am not sure of what you mean by stock power draw. If you mean before the fresh install, It was around 8,000 mw

    Thanks
     
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    Same on mine, getting 7-8W power draw. That is with 30% or so brightness and keyboard light off. Estimated battery runtime: 6h 10m.

    Seems to be correct from my observations of around 6hr battery time with wifi on.

    With USB mouse connected it peaks up to 10W
     
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    Yes I too experienced this before the fresh install, now i am regularly getting 12-14 w consumption, ad this is after deframentation, swithicng of defender, serch indexing, and only aloowing the processor to max out at 10% of the capacity. I think the oem build of windows that came with the laptop, had some settings to remove power consumption, and I stupidly deleted the recovery partition, so I cant even go back. If someone has some time, and this particular laptop, please, please tell me what to do to take my power consumption down to what it used to be, or even better make a recovery image of the original build of the os, and please upload it. This would also help anyone who wants to revert back to the original build.

    Many thanks for your time, and effort
     
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    Please, just reinstall the system again and make sure you successfully install all necessary drivers. I have hard time believing that fresh reinstall would be the pure reason for your inadequate battery life (I mean I understand that the problems started after the reinstall but I think it must be due to some driver issues and such). Just look at this forum - at least 3 other people did the clean install and nobody else but you is complaining about their power consumption. I think that you would have saved yourself a lot of time by doing that instead of trying to get the system recovery image here. I Hope everything eventually works out.
     
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    Thanks, for trying to help, but I did a fresh install 3 times, tiring to fix this, and I made sure all drivers are up to date. plus I have one more question. If I go to advanced power setting, and try to change the max processor state, I am able to change it to 20 percent, but after a few minutes it resets itself. Please let me know if this is only happening with me, or what. Plus do you guys know whether power4gears's power saving is better, or the default windows power saver is better for saving battery life. Other than my minor battery issue, the laptop is amazing, I luckily received a piece with all 4 legs on the same plane, so it is not tilted, plus all my keys are fine, and not skewed like some people mentioned. Have to admit though, the charger like previously stated is stupid, and could break


    Thanks for reading, and responding to my long posts
     
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    Hey,

    I finally have the machine into my hand. Totally satisfied yet so far ! (for those wondering, i have a Swiss QWERTZ, i7, SSD 258g, ordered on digitec for 1300 SW franc, so around 1000euro. Got delivered only in Swiss, but with all the adaptators, international warrant, and a computer case)
    Now i have a question : i didnt do a clean install (and doesnt want to try, looks risky, whatever the specialists says aha), so, which programs can i uninstall ? Here's the list
    imgur: the simple image sharer
    imgur: the simple image sharer

    Thanks a lot !

    PS : If you have some tips for begginer on w8, its really welcome ! Or a tuto or whatever :)
     
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    Wildtangent, apart from that, nothing looks particularly bad.
     
  45. OC-Freak

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    New models starting to arrive with the updated CPU's here in Scandinavia. (i5-4210U and i7-7510U). So doesn't look like they have stopped making the UX32LN for the scandinavian market at least.

    Even one version with 500Gb hybrid drive instead of SSD showed up. ( ASUS UX32LN-R4076H | På lager | Billig )
     
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    Hope it's a lot cheaper as loosing an ssd is a big hit on performance.
     
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    Not really, it has the i7 CPU, and is cheaper then the i7 with 128Gb SSD. But cost more than the i5/128Gb SSD.

    128Gb SSD is too small anyway, if you want to take advantage of the GT840M for gaming. Many modern games are 20-30Gb install each.

    So if you are switching to an larger SSD it doesn't really matter what stock disk it has.
     
  48. SH_DY

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    That's super strange, because by looking at the specs these should be the new UX303LN versions. The UX303LNs have these processors and otherwise there's not really a difference.

    I think it makes absolute zero sense that Asus would upgrade the 32LN. Only if they pull of some experiment and are not going to release the UX303LN in scandinavia.
     
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    For the people who own this laptop, has anyone ever gamed for extended periods? E.g. 2-3hrs?

    I would like to know before I buy one as my current laptop, a HP envy touchsmart 14 keeps showing bluescreens during extended gaming sessions but is otherwise completely fine.
     
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    Yes I have done it on occasions, tropico 4 for around 2 hrs, laptop gets hot but otherwise it's fine
     
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