Asus Strix SCAR 15 G533QS 150W TDP vBIOS on RTX 3080??

+140 Core, +250 Memory, adjusted fan curve, no voltage tweek - tested on TESO game that is super sensitive to overclocking and crashes if clocks are too high.
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/60214849
Was able to achieve +160 Core and +375 Memory without any artifacts in 3DMark, but TESO would keep crashing.

 

I did some overclocking with the EVGA Precision X1 and most I could get without artefacting was 1199 on the memory and 140 on the core.

I dunno what that guy did to get that score, like how? He must have modified his cooling system and run the benchmark with the backplate removed.
The most I could get is 13 499 Graphics score and 10 193 CPU score, albeit I have not tried modifying the Ryzen yet to run longer on boost speeds.

Still, its pretty impressive when you consider 165W RTX 3080 only gets 14k on avg in Graphics Score and use desktop CPU's on the Clevo X170 which ironically despite being designed for 200W MXM GPU uses only a 165W RTX 3080 for some reasons, I thought these GPUs could go higher? Why would Clevo limit it so much.

I did a Red Dead Redemption 2 Benchmark on Ultra settings and I got: Min FPS: 41 - Max FPS: 101 - Avg FPS: 74
Jarrod'sTech tests on the MSI GE76 he did a RDR2 benchmark as well and got: Avg FPS: 86
I looked on another test I found on Min FPS: 33 - Max FPS: 112 - Avg FPS: 88

 

Liquid metal on both CPU + GPU, and yes backplate removed + air con blowing into ^^. What he achieved is actually not usable for everyday that was done just for score. Also as I mentioned 3DMark accepts scores even if your test had artifacts and/or flickering and I assume that was the case.
BTW new VBIOS released today https://www.msi.com/Laptop/support/GE76-Raider-10UX?sub_product=GE76-Raider-10UH#down-bios - grab while it's there ^^

 

Did you run that test with a external monitor? I read your comment about temps when playing Metro Exodus, I don't own the game but I will try with watch dogs or setting my resolution to 8k, just to see if I am really unable to keep it under 86. You didn't replace the thermal paste, right? Also the 5900hx must be generating more heat than my 5800h.

I've been playing around with the frequency curve, trying to lower the voltage as much as possible. I can do 1780 @ 806mv without crashing. I'll try to get some temp numbers this weekend to see if it does help at all.

I'll play around with the new vbios from MSI. Does anyone have resizable bar enable when running the stock vbios?

 

That would explain why yes, I guess its good for benchmarking as you say but useless for anything beyond that, still pretty crazy what you can achieve in a 15 inch laptop.
That vBIOS seems to be the same one I been running now, 94.04.3F.00.4F

Yes I only test with external monitor and not with internal monitor. I have kept everything stock, the only thing I have done is switch out the stock 1TB NVMe SSD with two 2TB Intel ones. And thats it.
I run my laptop on a laptop cooler however, its not the best one out there but it gets the job done. Its a Zalmac one.

I usually just put on Kombustor and Prime95 and just run them both at the same time, I start Kombustor first so it prioritises the GPU and then I run Prime95 so they both run at the same time, I have a very aggressive fan curve basically its set to do 100% fan speed when its 70 degrees already.
I have never ever seen the GPU at 90 degrees while doing this, it will usually settle to 82 ish degrees after the 155W vBIOS upgrade, this is hilariously unrealistic mind you, constant 99% utilisation for 1 hour? No way you see that in gaming.

Resisable BAR was enabled with stock vBIOS and its also enabled with MSI vBIOS, I can confirm this through GPU-Z and Precision X1

5900HX is identical to 5800H with the difference being 100MHz higher core speed and 200MHz higher boost speed and its also supposedly "unlocked" for overclocking, now I still have not figured out how the heck do you overclock this thing LOL? I am guessing unlocked and its meant to be overclocked in the UEFI?? But Asus has locked down the UEFI so its pointless.
I am assuming that the 5900HX and 5800H are both being power throttled so much anyway under heavy GPU load that there aint much of a real world difference.

I noticed Clevo has a desktop Ryzen 15.6 inch laptop with RTX 3080 coming, it be interesting to see what that thing can achieve, you already looking at 10 - 15 fps more on avg against a 165W TDP 3080 so.

 

How do you have resizable bar enabled? It shows yes in control panel but disabled in gpu-z with bith stock vbios and msi one. What bios you have on the laptop? 313?

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Mine is also disabled with bios 313.

I was going to test the new msi vbios, but I've been sick all week and apparently this vbios is the same version as the original vbios launched with the ge76 10uhs (94.04.3F.00.4F)

And yes, there is no known way to overclock the "overclockable" 5900hx. I was hoping AMD would launch an updated ryzen master that would allow some basic overclock and memory tweaking but I guess it is up to the manufacturer to implement overclock, I wonder if the new legion pros have an unlocked bios. This is another reason why I don't care too much about having a 5800h instead of a 5900hx... I don't think a potential 4% improvement is worth 500€.

Since I have the 150w vbios, I disable nvidia platform controllers and framework when playing to avoid dynamic boost throttling the cpu in competitive games. Dynamic boost just sounds like a horrible marketing tactic to boost benchmarks and actually hurt people who want to take advantage of high refresh rates in competitive games @ 1080p. I suppose that's why they are so interested in pushing 1440 and 4k now. If you are playing 3a titles at max settings then dynamic boost is nice, but then again, why not just increase the base tgp instead of destroying the performance in many of the most played games?

 

Well according to MSI the new vbios from their website for 10 uh enables resizable bar, but i installed it and still shows disabled in gpu-z , what i can see is that now in nvidia control panel it shows max power 155w, when before it didnt

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For me it says its enabled, my UEFI is 319, shows memory speed and everything, not had a single problem with it, using the 155W vBIOS I linked in one of the previous posts.

Not sure why resisable BAR does not work for you guys. I assume that the vBIOS is not really the problem here but the fact you guys use UEFI version 313 instead of 319.

 

But from where did you get the uefi 319? Latest official on the website and in myasus is 313

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Or do you mean 309?

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No its 319, I got it off the Asus update app, I just let it update everything and it installed the UEFI as well automatically.

 

Can you download it from myasus again an put it here or somehere? And is it for the scar g533qs? Cause for the g533qs latest is 313 everywhere

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I think bios are stored here: C:\ProgramData\ASUS\ASUS System Control Interface\AsusSoftwareManager\AsusLiveUpdate\Temp
Yeah, I also have 313 and the interesting part that neither 311 and 313 are on web page... 319 is surprise to me as well ^^

Anyways updating you with my latest findings how to achieve better/realistic scores in 3DMark (my latest stable score is now in 31st place ) - https://www.3dmark.com/spy/19518886 same 250 on memory and 140 on core, no voltage tweaks.

Found out that somehow my fans are just not spinning based on manual curve that I've set in Manual mode, they are always much lower that they should be in 3DMark tests, temps are high - fan speed is low.... And this has huge impact on score. All is fine when I'm playing games though.
This is my regular curve for both CPU and GPU that I use for playing (yes, my fans all the time are 100% in gpu intensive games ^^, but that's the price for better fps):


And this is what I set just for testing purpose, gpu + cpu:


Now my fans 100% during the test (as it should be). Hope this helps.

 

And what temps you re getting?

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You can check on 3DMark link - it's 65.

 

yeah I am confused here, I was confusing the Zephyrus I had previously that had 319 UEFI and I was confusing it with the G533QS, sorry there is no 319, I checked it and it had 311 installed and then I checked MyAsus it had 313 available.

I cannot find any changelog however on any of these though surprisingly.

 

Could you upload the bios here please cause i know that 311 i had and its the only that cant be found

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https://mega.nz/file/r9A1RIpb#AJop865DRerNVuqmZrysRW13j-ZpoNzEckirjKY333w

 

There is a new bios 315 on the Asus website and again Asus' own software is all ****ed up so it won't report that through MyAsus. Furthermore, they uploaded the .exe file also for the ez flash version of the bios, so there is no direct way to get the actual bios file and flash it with ez flash. I tried running the .exe file and it failed to even try to update, but I noticed that it decompressed all the files in the C:\DRIVERS folder, so you can copy the G533QS.315 file into your usb drive and flash it on the bios.

As usual, Asus won't even bother telling us what's changed, so it just says improved system stability. The spd info is still broken, the bios has no different settings that I can see, resizable bar is still showing as disabled on my laptop, and my ram is still running at jedec spec. I'll run some cinebench and 3dmark tests to see if there is any difference at all, if there isn't any I won't even post it lol.

https://rog.asus.com/laptops/rog-strix/2021-rog-strix-scar-15-series/helpdesk_download

 

Hi,

Strange, but I don't see 315 BIOS for QS model - only for QR. MyAsus app also gives no new BIOS. Still 309 is latest in both app and web, even though I was auto updated to 311 and then to 313.
Can you download 315 (if you still see it) and re-upload em'?

 

Guys just wanted to give you a heads up on total power draw from the psu with the 155w vbios for the 3080 and the cpu (5800h) load at 100%

This is with cinebench and furmark running:



As you can see it peaks at around 300w!! As I was running both applications at the same time load was between 290-295w and the psu was seemingly happy with that wattage (and that was for a good 20 minutes too). Put my hand on the power supply and it wasn’t getting too hot, didn’t seem to be making any different noise either meaning that it was handling it just fine, must be our luck lol. Or maybe just mine, does anyone else want to run the same kind of test? I assume prime95 and furmark together would pull more than 300w easy.

Bearing in mind this is with the dynamic boost disabled via device manager so no cpu or gpu throttling nonsense.

I can tell you right now that the 240w psu is most likely a 280w part as the psu should have cut out due to overload or this psu is using very good quality components which isn’t rare to be honest...

All measurements are with the watt meter take a 3-5% difference into account...

Game testing:

Overwatch: 240-260w depending on the map

Cyberpunk: 230-240w, stays within spec easily



GPU only max load: Around 180-210w

CPU only max load: Around 110-130w

 

DaMafiaGamer, good info! That's why I've ordered this - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002266950729.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.aad94c4d8mxEhh

After many testings with both 130W (GE66 10UH 125+5W) and 155W (GE76 10UH 150+5W) VBIOSes, my conclusion is:
Go with 155W if you have 280W power adapter, liquid metal on GPU, your ambient temp <= 19 degrees Celsius, you have extremely good cooling pad and you know how work with voltage curve.
Otherwise go with 130W from GE66 10UH.
My best/stable results (no 280W adapter, no liquid metal, ambient temp ~22, crappy cooling pad, no voltage tweak):
with 155W - https://www.3dmark.com/spy/19518886 (+140 core and +250 memory)
with 130W - https://www.3dmark.com/spy/19581614 (+140 core and +275 memory)

As you can see, difference is to low to risk running laptop on 155W BIOS, so I'm staying on 130W until I get 280W adapter and do a remaining upgrades.

 

Thank you for the link bro, it turns out cinebench + furmark is the absolute worst case scenario, prime95 and furmark combined only put 250w of load on the laptop whilst cinebench r23 puts an extra 50w more. Meaning that 300w is probably the absolute maximum this laptop will pull.

Buying that 280w power adapter seems like a very good idea, I'm gonna go ahead and purchase that, the last thing I want is my power supply dying prematurely...

 

I cant install it with the exe , and when i open the file in ezflash as you said the bios froze

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Are you using ASUS' stock 130W vbios or are you using the MSI GE66 vbios? If you're using the GE66, can you post it?

 

I'm using GE66 vbios (125+5W). https://www.msi.com/Laptop/support/GE66-Raider-10UX?sub_product=GE66-Raider-10UH#down-bios
You will it find under "Firmware" tab.

 

https://mega.nz/file/GMwXAIZY#MbbzxR9pg5aZEAuH4dw-HApXcA-gCGfaNOHMXtDb-bI

I can only see the .exe version for windows, even when downloading the ezflash version, but when you run the file you can go to the c:drivers and you can find the actual bios file there. I flashed this one with ez flash, but honestly there is no difference that I can see, maybe they fixed the sleep problem? No idea.

 

Thanks, I can confirm that now I'm able to see QS model 315 bios both in web and MyAsus app. And yes, had to upgrade via EzFlash, doesn't work in Windows. But no problems installing them via EzFlash as someone reported that it froze.

 

Do you have resizable bar enabled in 315?

 

I believe that r-bar was enabled starting from v311. At least 313 definitely had it enabled. Just ignore what gpu-z reports - it's incorrect. Precision x1, HWiNFO and nvidia CP all of them reports that r-bar is enabled. Just ensure you have bios >= 311, latest VBIOS and GPU drivers.

 

How did you install it? The folder contains one exe and one sha file

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LE: had to rename the file from drivers as it had only qs533 as the old ones were names qsas533.. and now it worked

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Hi Ziga, I am currently hoping to get the Scar 17 3080 next week and after reading through this thread I wanted to ask if flashing the vbios would have any negative effects in the long term? Also, have you noticed any significant coil whine in your unit? It seems a lot of people complain about it. Do you think getting intel XMP dual ram would affect the performance and would having dual boot (windows / linux) be any problem when flashing the vbios? Sorry for all the questions! I am a noob to these things but I really want this laptop to serve me well for a long time! Lastly, I cannot see your time spy scores, it says scores not available. Thanks and any response would be greatly appreciated!

 

Hi,

No one knows about the negatives in future.... It's always a risk. But flashing 130W is what I call a measured risk As it doesn't increase top TDP. Different story with 150W as system might not be built for this TDP. I don't hear any coil whine but might be because I use custom fan profile with increased fan speeds across the board. Can't comment on RAM impact, needs testing, but 100% AMD doesn't support XMP, only JEDEC. And fastest RAM for AMD mobile CPU to this date are these - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08M3TSWMQ.

Majority 3DMark results that I've posted previously were removed as they're not so stable as I thought they are. I couldn't observe any flickering/artifacts during TS tests, but after running FurMark ROG Edition x64 that has artifact scanner function gave me a "no no" result... Thus I had to decrease my OC, so the latest stable result for 130W (+130 core and +245 memory) - https://www.3dmark.com/spy/19666309. I don't have updated test for 150W as I don't yet have upgraded power adapter and other improvements.

 

What's your score in TimeSpy on laptop screen ? 13500 pts suggest that you performed test on external display via USB-C. Could you make another one but on laptop display? I am about getting Strix Scar G17 with 3080 and I am curious how it performs in Time Spy after 'proper' OC and optimalizations without external display.
PS: Are you using 130W vBIOS from GE66 or stock one from Asus ?
PPS: I keep in mind that probably your RAM sticks boosts that score a little

 

Since this years Strix Scar models don't have MUX switch - no point gaming / testing full perf. on internal monitor. You will notice in 3Dmark that almost all of the tests are done on external monitor, so I recommend you to follow everyone's behavior and buy yourself a hdmi/dp to usb c adapter (10-30 bucks) and use external monitor if you have one.
I use GE66 10UH 130W (125+5) that has higher bottom TDP vs stock (115+15).
My RAMs are stock - Samsung CL22. CL 18 arrived today so will be installing soon and will re-test.

 

Could you do one test on internal screen? Pretty please
I might have some situations that I won't be able to use external Display and that why I am sooooo curious how does it perform after your tweaks. I know that "stock" RTX 3070 140W TimeSpy average is 10400-10800 graphics pts but what score we can get on 130W 3080 without MUX with some (like yours) tweaks?
I am aware of that 90% of benchmarks are performed via USB-C with Optimus bypass but c'mon - it a laptop and some of us will sometimes use it without external display.

 

Check my benchmark posted, it’s the best I’ve got on internal, I don’t use external display...

Check page 10

 

Thanks
Very nice score.
I have had 3x MSI GP76 and all of them had terrible screen backlight bleeding so I returned them after few hours of usage
They were i7 10870h with 3070 125+15W. I've OC'ed them a little (something like +170 Core/+200 Memory) and my score was:
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/60179973
12319 pts in graphic score. All of them had similar results and I just wondered how 3080 130W without MUX will perform against them
Now I am waiting for my Strix Scar G17 with 3080 to arrive
Good to know that 3080 Strix "alone" can exceed 12k pts in graphic score

 

I am also interested how scores are changed with CL18 RAM

Thanks in advance!

 

So @ziga34 maybe 1 test on external display and 1 on internal ?

 

Test results with new RAM were added here:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/asus-rog-strix-scar-g533q-owners-lounge.835428/page-8

 

Dissapointing ...

 

You won't believe what I've got.
Asus Rog XG Mobile RTX 3080 latest vbios. Pure 150W no Dynamic Boost gimmick. 1810MHz boost with Rog OC. GPU power draw displayed properly. Non-uefi, same as stock vbios. Re-Bar enabled. Enjoy:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18_L2s-rfKNv3l297FzFWJyD3IgrwE-OO/view

 

All hail mighty ziga

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This sounds like perfect! I don't have the Rog yet, planning to get, but what does non-uefi mean? And is this basically EVERYTHING we've been looking for?

 

MSI vbioses are UEFI, that means that dGPU boots only during laptop startup and if you would disable dGPU from Armoury Crate -> "iGPU mode ON" then after enabling it again -> "iGPU mode OFF" dGPU wouldn't boot, you would see generic dGPU in Device Manager. Only laptop restart would enable dGPU. With XG Mobile vbios it works as expected - dGPU can be booted after laptop startup.
Yes, that is the best vbios possible for Asus rtx 3080 laptops. EDIT: it's NOT as dGPU TDP is set in BIOS and since now dGPU power draw shows real consumption it will be throttled on 130W.

 

Hmmm, but results are strange
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/19817402
I'll investigate later what's happening. Could be that now since gpu reports correct power draw and I'm still with 240W charger it's power limiting... not sure yet.

 

So the assumption was almost correct, but adapter/charger has nothing to do with limitation. It's the Armoury Crate that is now able to see actual power draw on GPU and limits it to 130W - checked with GPU-Z during the test.
Actually, it's the profile that is installed in Armoury Crate that limits the gpu:
115+15 dynamic boost
Profiles are encrypted and it would take a lot of reverse engineering to find the key inside the application and then tweak the profile, so easier way is just to uninstall app with all it's services, but then we will loose ability to set fan profiles. Also once I was able somehow to install Armoury Crate without profiles thus loosing the ability to OC CPU and GPU via Manual mode, but fan control was active. I'm gonna try reinstall system again, to see if that works.